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The person below me has stepped in doo,doo once in his life

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The person below me thinks that when I did it stunk!

Foolhardy idiot, you say we wish to kill you, we call you swine, we wish to fight you. Some flaws in your argument:


[-] There are several vastly different versions of the Qu'ran. Some versions have been produced as propoganda devices by terrorist groups such as Al-Quaeda.

[-] You failed to directly quote the Surats (correct spelling). The way we believe God is is that he does not forgive murder, rape, or pillage. Thus, the basis of your argument cannot be accepted.

[-] You failed to mention the Crusades, which were done in the name of Jesus, Christian God and Christianity. You say we wish to kill you, yet you go on massive slaughters, killing even people who have surrendered.

[-] You fail to mention the Spanish Inquisition, done for the same reasons, yet in a slower, more painful manner against BOTH JEWS AND MUSLIMS.

[-] You fail to mention that the ISLAMIC EMPIRE ACCEPTED JEWISH PEOPLE AS MINISTERS AND NORMAL CITIZENS.

[-] You said giving charity to the poor is at odds with the bible. Why should I believe in an uncharitous religion? Charity is a central part of my life, I give money to make a feast for poor Indonesian children, yearly.


Now then, what you have said about our way of thinking of God is correct.

[-] We believe God judges all. He does not forgive anyone for murdering or raping, as you do in Christianity.

[-] We, at least in New English mosques, believe that God will allow anyone who was a good person in life, regardless of religion, into Heaven.

[-] We believe God did not individually create each piece of the world, but rather created the laws that shall govern the Universe.

[-] Jesus was not, in fact, the son of God. He was a very good prophet of God.

[-] There is only one God, and that is Allah. "Islam" literally translates to "unconditional surrender (to God).

[-] Allah is, infact, not knowable to us. We find this to be a fact as prayers are not answered in a direct, straightforward fashion. We find this to be a fact as God has not appeared on Earth. We find this to be a fact as it makes it much easier to accept deaths, droughts and calamities, for it will make us believe God is not to blame, and thus, make us better worshippers.



So, we believe in the same God as you, but not in the same fashion. I think God would not like Christians and Muslims to feud, but you do. You're not a good Christian, like the folks I know. You throw hatred at me yet again, even though I have attended Jewish temples and have sent some of my personal wealth through Christian charities in order to help Christian children. You are blatantly attempting to convert me over to your view of God, but you will not sway me. I have already surrendered to God, so what point is there in trying to make me worship God a different way, and make me see him a different way? Why can't you just accept peace with Muslims?

Some Muslim countries are even more liberal and open-minded than Christian countries. Indonesia, which has the largest Muslim population in the world, has had a women president, and America hasn't.

And, for the hammerblow:

If God loves all humanity so as you say, Kow, why do you throw hatred at me? Isn't that at odds with your own view of God? You call Muslims contradictory fellows, yet you openly try to convert me by implying my religion is a religion of hate and stupidity. You'll probably go to Heaven for worshipping God so zealously in your own ways, but be in your own bounds.

Finally, I think I know much more about what I believe in than you know. Don't quote the Qu'ran to me, I don't blindly follow the Qu'ran like a sheep. Accept it, I am Islamic, you are Christian. You're not going to change that, in fact, you're making me dislike Christianity as a whole now.

No, we have a liberal media. The media would pounce on this information if they could attain solid proof.

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The person below is either playing starcraft right now or is using a map editor.

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The person below me uses X-tra editor

I heard that hatered between Muslims & Christians came from 1 word...

In Quran, there is a phrase "kill disbelief". Meaning that you gotto kill diebeliefe in yourself, thus belive.

When they translated it, due to the language features, they translated it like "kill the disbeliever".

That's what I've heard anyway.

Fox is liberal... really!? It just so happens to be the biggest and most conservative of the medias....

Who mentioned Fox?

What? Can you edit it so I don't get confused when reading it?

I understand that, and I'm not disregarding that. The site to which I linked did a little argument on the propaganda, but I was running low on time when I got to that point, so I didn't include it. I guess I'll get the key points out of it now:

Muslims living in Western democracies (such as the US and Europe) try to defend their religion by quoting Surats 2:256 which says, “There is no compulsion in religion.” That means that they should not react without thinking any and all the actions out. This is a peaceful verse, but it's been abrogated later in the book. This verse, of course, was written before Muhammed was persecuted by the Christians and the Jews

(I'm assuming that you're right on the Sura/Surats spelling)
- Some believe it was abrogated Surats 9:73, which says, “O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be harsh with them.” says to be unfriendly with disbelievers.
- Another group of Islamic clerics accepts the words to mean what they say, but they argue that they were part of Allah’s strategy to advance Islam. While Muslims were weak, Allah spoke through Muhammad and told them to tolerate infidels. But when the Muslims became strong, Allah commanded them to cease being tolerant and attack and subdue the infidels.

Bottom line, it says to at least be unfriendly to 'infidels', and some extremists take that far (and I know extremists don't represent a religion) and start killing in the name of Allah.

I gave the verses. It would take too long to quote all the verses, however, there are online versions of the book, no? (http://www.muslim.org/english-quran/quran.htm for those too lazy to google).

The crusades were an aberration in Christian history based upon perverted Catholic doctrine and not upon any biblical injunction. In contrast, the intolerance and violence that have characterized Islam throughout its history are firmly rooted in the Koran.

This, I do not know of, but Spain is a Catholic nation. I am not Catholic as I believe it's a abberation of the Christian faith.

Where, when?

The bible does not say "Do not give charity". It says to be kind to the poor, take them in and feed them. Be kind to the sick, take them in and feed them.


Becuase our God is a merciful, graceful God. If you are truly sorry, he'll forgive you. But if you aren't repentant, he wont. It's not a case of "Oh, you raped someone. I'll just ignore that because you're Christian"

This is another point that separates our religions. Your religion is that of works. You do good, you will go to heaven. With Christianity, noone can bypass Jesus and get to Heaven.

Another point from which we differ. To me, Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God, as well as God. Our whole faith is based on this.

I believe that there is only one God, in three parts. Father (Yahweh), Son (Christ), and Holy Spirit.

But, you see, Christians believe that he has come to earth.

Then it's not the same God.

I know for a fact that I'm not a good representation of a Christian. I don't do what's right all the time, I curse God's name a lot.

Just for the record, I'm in no way saying that Muslims should die.

They're 100% allowed to run, just none have run nor won.

It's not the zealousness of my worship that gets me into heaven. I'm not meaning, if I show that I am, to hate you. I am human.


I don't see why, from this or from one person, unless everyone of that religion says that he/she's representing that religion, that people dislike religions.

As the votes stand right now, Most people do not believe in GOD

NO: 22

YES: 17

Used to. So false.

The person below me hates when I type like this.

Edit: Closed tag

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the person below me wants to play poker on SEN

Well of course on SEN. Most people here on this site are liberals (or more liberal leaning), so I wouldn't be surprised.

And what does "liberal leaning" have to do with faith? Jimmy Carter, a committed democrat, was and still is intensely devoted to his faith. There are burgeoning Mormon churches all over the northeast, which is the nation's democratic stronghold. I've met conservative atheists and more liberal people of faith. You can't just assume that left = atheist/agnostic.

I don't understand how someone who listens to Sum 41 and Blink-182 can use 'liberal' as a derogatory term either..

He said we have a liberal media.

Anyway.... eat it pro-war activists!
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Derogatory? I find equal fault in both the left wing and the right wing. Simply saying that a site is less religiously mainly because more people are liberal isn't what I would call derogatory.

Could be fun...True.

The person below me hasnt been on sen in like 3 days =/

False I just started

The person below me doesnt like cake!

False, I like it...sorta....maybe.....yeah, I guess overall I do.

Had some yesterday, it was my dad's birthday.

The person below me just bought a mic

You do realize there are many news sources besides Fox, right? So why did you pick out Fox?

I never said anything about Fox. NuclearRabbit is getting out of touch with the issues.

Well, Kow, you have shown that you hated me. Your first two posts in this argument were written insultingly, as if to show I was worshiping a pile of crap, which failed. So, I do not believe you are being sincere when you say you do not hate me and Islam.

"Zero", a book by Charles Seife, illustrated the Jewish-Muslim interaction in the mathematic and scientific spheres, and had a line which said a Muslim ruler had Jewish ministers.

In the Catholic form of Christianity, it would appear quite so that you just say "I'm sorry" and any crime you have committed is forgiven.

Yes, I probably shouldn't be friendly towards infidels. Unfortunately, there are few infidels on the planet, none that I know of. Polytheistic peoples are not infidels, they worship God in a different way. Religions without gods are not infidels, how can they? If they have never believed in God, they have not broken any fidelity. Athiests and agnostics are not infidels, unless they previously believed in God and then turned away. They have perfectly good reason not to believe in God, they've no proof. Yet, the infidel folk that exist can easily redeem themselves by being good people. Hence, the true line you said that Islam is a religion that works.

I'd also like to mention there was a lot of violence in the Torah and in the Bible as well as in the Koran (because the Koran was loosely based upon these holy books). If you absolutely require me to prove this fact, I shall go and buy myself a Bible and quote it to you. In fact, I should buy a real Bible either way.

Now, shall we end this argument? I find it rather frustrating to argue about religion. Neither side can be swayed, and both sides are degraded.

Nope

The person below has will choose to have a child later in there mortal life. Muahaha