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HOOOOOOOOWAYYYYYYYYYY

EUD IS BACK HOOOOWAYYYYYYYYYY

Unlike maphack, EUDs not only enhance certain aspects of Starcraft, they do not degrade the fun of those who do not use EUDs. Maphacks may enhance the gameplay for the hacker, but they also ruin the experience for those who do not use maphack. EUDs on the other hand, when properly labelled as such, do not harm others.

Everything about EUD's violates the EULA, Tavrobel is right. Yet most programs that are used for starcraft violate the EULA. Officially, they cannot support or endorse the use of such programs, but those that do not harm play are ignored. The best argument in this case is that Blizzard has patched the issue, causing those of us who want to use it to change the exe, either way which has been done. However, EUD's only affect UMS mapping. Melee is no way affected by this. The program will not mess with any melee experience when running. My version change allowed me to play melee games over a LAN(haven't gotten to Battle.net with it yet, probably won't unless someone else wants to try). If we are able to make the program safe, perhaps blizzard will not care about it.

You make a good statement, but the point I was going for was that there is no way that you would be able to completely defend all the statements at once and not contradict your actions in some way, or seem as though you meant something else. You just can't defend everything and walk away looking like God, achieving perfection in statement.

I'm glad to know that it is possible to restrict the areas of memory available. I'll be much happier with EUDs once we get it to the point were we can restrict and limit what is editable and what is not.

What would happen if someone edited the actual program and ran it with someone else's, would they be able to input into the SC memory, and effect other players?

ya, now we need just p9-12 triggs available

While it's not unlikely that EUDs could potentially support the players 9-12, just how would the triggers work differently, or if they would work at all. There is a definite possibility, but it also raises some questions. We know that it is already difficult for using players one through eight to execute malicious code. However, would player nine-twelve make it easier? Although it does seem unlikely, it is a possibility we must prepare for inthe future, considering we can only reach platers nine through twelve by special means (SF, SCMDraft). Also it raises the question as to which triggers would work with players nine through twelve, even if it did work. Already we have made normal triggers work with players nine through twelve, but considering that you need a special download in the first place anyway, and not even SF and SCMDraft can affect players nine through twelve traditionally. Even then, not all the tirggers work for these players; we can't even create units for these players as far as I am aware of. But if the EUD triggers did get supported, it would multiply the possiblities of map making by the power of between four and twelve, or something in that area. Indeed this is something we should follow closely. But we must always be wary that Blizzard could also say "no". And we would have no choice but to comply if we wished not to be sued for every penny that we and everyone we know owns. And there is the reasoning to consider where would be patch in this support? It would probably be in EUDEnabler as well if we wished to play EUD players nine through twelve support, but would we also have to run a different program, or a separate section just to edit our maps? Take this into consideration.

I can do that too...

Great!

"Well, have fun, drop us a line if anything interesting happens!" -- Raphael, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle

Raphy is right.

I've just updated the program in the DLDB. You should replace your old versions as soon as possible.

I've restricted the unit ID to be less than 36950. This is the upper bound of known memory. This restriction should help prevent people from accessing the stack memory and executing code. I've also changed the player check so that the SetDeaths action *should* work for players 9-12. Let me know if you have any trouble.

Looks... interesting but sounds to me like this will just complicate downloading and playing maps and having the program on will probly make me lag too much... I would rather not have EUD's at all than have to go through all this...

Running this program will not make you lag. It will not have any effect on maps that do not use EUD triggers.

Tested and Proven true. Very good work, EUD triggers can now do P9 to P12.

Adding EUDEnabler to StealthBot

• Copy the files in the attachment into your StealthBot directory.
• Copy EUDEnabler.exe into your StealthBot directory.
• If your bot is online, click on 'Settings' -> 'Reload Script'

Notes:
It takes 999 access on the bot to turn EUDs on and off.
The commands for turning EUDs on and off are 'eud on' and 'eud off'

Nice, you finally got the bot commands to work!

I've written up a tutorial on how to detect the presence of EUDEnabler with triggers here. This way you can display a message that says they need to download it if they don't have it.

Interesting, so instead of just dropping them, you could detect whether they have EUDEnabler, and then kick them if they don't?

If blizzard knew about how big the Mapping community is i bet they would re enable them even tho its a hack. But since they dont or care that might not happen

How was that attachment relevant?

Heim, you might want to include Legacy's tutorial in the news post as well.

It wasn't.



Blizzard patched EUDs for everyone in the first place. Please go back and read the first pages of this post, or in post 1.13b thread, somewhere. You obviously did not listen to me and my arguments that Blizzard KNOWS MORE THAN WE DO AND IT IS THEIR GAME AND IT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO LOOK OUT AFTER US WE ARE A SOURCE OF THEIR MONEY.



Could be possible, but if this were inside the game, they would drop anyway, and in the team selection screen (download screen), triggers do not work from the map becuase they do not have the map yet, so a warning Force would be sufficient to warn EUD non users.



after you actually get these to work, you might be able to set them lower, if you wanted. I could be wrong.



That's good news for everyone.

Would the Non EUDEnabler users drop if the map contained EUD triggers, but they hadn't fired yet? (Someone like to answer that? )

What do you mean by "fired"? As in, not done an action yet to do anything? If so, they would still drop anyway, becuase the triggers simply exist, and those without EUDEnabler would not be able to support it. If you mean something else, please clarify.

They will drop when the data is read. I tried out one that changed the graphic of a marine. The trigger fired at the beginning of the map, but we both droped each other only when I built a marine.

Well that would be a good warning. If we have a "proceed" type trigger before the actual EUDs kick in, people who dont have EUDEnabler can either download it and get it turned on, or they can turn it on if they simply forget. More good news today!