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Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-11-28 at 20:35:01
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Nov 28 2004, 06:34 PM)
A few days ago, I found out both George Bush and Adolf Hitler have a great similarity-- brainwashing people.
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I realized that 4 years ago. Except Adolf Hitler has a higher IQ of at least 50 points, even thought he was a crazy maniac. The reason he acted like that was because of his child growth and learning how the Jews were inferior ro the rest of man. Changing old views is very difficult, this is why religion still exists. wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-11-29 at 18:29:25
They say if Adolf Hitler visited Dr. Phil, World War II would have been prevented. Well World War III has been prevented.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-11-30 at 15:00:03
QUOTE(NeoNightmare in post #133)
i just thought i would stick that in there


QUOTE(Me in post #131)
Point taken. Proved my point time after time, while he (@:@) didn't.
NeoNightmare, I'm gonna say it again: don't be a jack-ass n' u might learn something 'bout intellectual debating. Furthermore, this is the intellectual area afterall.


My reply 2 u maintains. If u don't act like a jerk n' do partial quotes, just 2 look 'cool' or whatever is ur intention, u may be able 2 learn somethin'. And from what I've seen so far, this is goin' 2 be by a loooong shot... dry.gif
Above is the paragraph in question quoted 4 ppl 2 know what I've said 4 real. N' not N.Nightmare's 'edited' versions that pop-up now and then. mad.gif

QUOTE(NeoNightmare in post #142)
they actuaslly were not random quotes, they were quotes you kind of have to think about, he said that an 18 year old should be able to back up his statements, so im guessing that means people over 18 also, he is about 26 or 27, and a 16 year old is backing up his statements


I'm goin' 2 requote myself... again, just 2 see if u grasp a basic concept.
QUOTE(Me again in post #131)
Grow up, will y'a?

... and get a life as well. See above reply again, please.
This is the serious debate area n' not the garbage section. If u can't post properly well thought points of view, please restrain urself from even tryin', ok? ranting.gif

What I wanted 2 say is that for an 18 year-old, he (@:@) should know better 2 prove what he states, or otherwise say that it's his opinion blatantly. Nothing more, nothing less.
Age was only my way of saying that he should at least know how 2 state things and/or be able 2 provide evidences by now... even more if he's asked 2 do so. Catched the point I'm heading, now? pinch.gif

If u're not adding any points related 2 the debate, please don't make us embark in a flame war. Agreed here?

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Now 4 the rest of u all,

QUOTE(Kaps)
First thing I'd like is for foreignors to stop f..king telling Americans how to run their country. We dont tell you who to elect now stay out of our business (and eys i dont care even if who we elect does affect you, either way stay out).


What do u want!?! 4 me 2 change my flag under the my controls area n' then restate all I've said earlier?
This is a debate, not the abbide the crap I tell u n' stfu (as u tried 2 pull)! It's called diversity of opinions n' if haven't heard of it be4, see the dic... ok sonny? shutup.gif
On the other hand if u don't like it, u'll always have the choice 2 go elsewhere (from this thread or even sub-forum). *Hint, hint*

Just as a side note, I suppose that it's fine n' peachy when u do the same!?! It follows a popular saying in my country: "Look what I say and not at what I do." Is that it? 'Cause if it is, it's plain old n'... lame.

QUOTE(Kaps)
Second, its obvious that Bush won because he had more votes.. duh. And yes Bush should have won. There was no way he would reinstate the draft; there is currently no need for it.


In this election it seems it was. Didn't look up 4 results 4 this 1 so far... just because I didn't had the time.
See my previous posts 4 a link with the 2000 election's results (Bush vs. Gore).
The draft isn't needed 4 now, u say. U can't tell the near future, so... who really knows his (Bush) intentions?

QUOTE(Kaps)
... Is this the man you wanted to lead the most powerful country in the world?


Considering the other option... definetly yes. shifty.gif
Now that Bush knows that he can't get another run at the White House, he may even get more extremist than already is. Thus making more crap that already has been made.

QUOTE(Pears)
... I love him for kicking ass in Iraq. We are totally demolishing those terrorist  f..kers...be they the ones that bombed us or not, they need to be killed. A lot of people I know don't support the war and complain about how many Americans have died. ...
Those people were willing and ready to die for their contry. I don't know any thing about any other issues so I can't make an argument about that.


It seems that u didn't read the rest since ur 'wonderful' posts, starting in nr. 77. All replies 2 what u say have been made by me in the meantime.
Read carefully n' follow the links provided, ok? mad.gif

QUOTE(Pears further down (same post))
... Because you see people Bush Bashing on tv and you think it is cool? I didn't read every post but I didn't see you say anything pro Kerry. Bush is evil? K? Be less random please. Nobody was killed by an order from Bush that did not deserve to die. He vanquished evil. And I say don't stop until every one of those f..kers is dead. ...


Same here. See my reply above.
Wait just a sec... and in the Fallujah strikes where U.S. troops got killed? And what 'bout the civillian hostages taken n' killed by wacko terrorists, due 2 coallition presence in Iraq? Or perhaps this was in a different parallel universe?

QUOTE(Pears continues it's crappy ways (same post))
Oh and if you plan on yelling at me or whatever don't waste your time because I am done with this thread. It sickens me that you people can be so against your country. Stop being such whiney baby sore losers. Take after Kerry (since your so damn in love with him) and accept that you lost and give it up; congradulate the winner and bow down. No you'd rather f.. and complain about something you cannot change. I can't wait until Bush makes awesome changes to this country so you can realize how stupid and childish you are acting.


Really brave... unloads a bunch of b..ls..t and doesn't even hang around 2 see where it turns 2. Right-wing extremist crap n' same pittyful attitude.
Just doesn't stand 4 different opinions and freedom of speech amidst others. An army men indeed... glare.gif *Sarcasm metter explodes*


'Bout the grammar/spelling debate goin' on, I'll stick outta of it... huh.gif

Agreed with DeathKnight's and Cheese's opinions (brainwashing). And that's similar 2 what I've been saying all along.
He kinda brainwashes by diverting attentions in2 other matters. 4 instance, see the attacks on Iraq shortly after the 9/11th (done 1/2 year later). He did those just 2 divert attentions from not goin' after the real guilty party (Osama). He messed in Afghanistan with the Talibans when he kinda allowed some of it's leaders 2 get away n' found the easy way out. Hence he decided 2 pounce on another persona non-grata (Saddam).
Just not 2 mention others, like the oil interests crap.

Some nasty words in quotes where replaced due 2 smillie max limit, btw. Sorry 4 any inconveniences.
This is what happens when I don't have the time 2 post more regularly. whistling.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-11-30 at 18:20:02
QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
Yes.
The definition for "ruin"
1 : Total destruction or disintegration, either physical, moral, social, or economic.
2 : A cause of total destruction.
a : The act of destroying totally.
b : A destroyed person, object, or building.
3 : What bush will do to this country.

The definition of "Evil"
1 : Morally bad or wrong; wicked



QUOTE(Pears 141 post.)
K? Why do you hate Bush so much? Because you see people Bush Bashing on tv and you think it is cool? I didn't read every post but I didn't see you say anything pro Kerry. Bush is evil? K? Be less random please. Nobody was killed by an order from Bush that did not deserve to die. He vanquished evil. And I say don't stop until every one of those  ers is dead. And I did not ask for the definition of ruin...I was being sarcastic.


First of all, don't talk about how i didn't back up anything because i did plenty of times if you actually bothered enough to read. I do not take my opinion from people on t.v. I actually listen to debates and take into account what they say. Not to mention the conventions they had. Last time i checked this was a serious forum section so why are you being sarcastic?

Okay, back to what my opinion is. Your favorite Idiot!
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US Code, Title 4, Chapter 1, Sec. 8 (g): "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature."

Also,

The economy/taxes/national debt. I'm extremely concerned about the economy because it's my future. This president likes to put everything on the credit card. One of the cool things about being president is that you never have to pay off your cards. This means that the national debt can just keep going up and up and up and up and up and Bush will never have to deal with it. Thats my job. As a young American I'm going to have to pay off the debts of what I like to call the "Bush party years." I have to pay the bills along with all of my friends my age. So let me plead to Bush here.... Please, please stop spending and start paying it off! If your wondering where to start paying off the national debt, let me help you. You could start by not giving tax breaks to the richest of the rich Americans.

So, please reply to this. Thank you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-11-30 at 21:44:21
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It seems that u didn't read the rest since ur 'wonderful' posts, starting in nr. 77. All replies 2 what u say have been made by me in the meantime.
Read carefully n' follow the links provided, ok?


nr.77.? Like I care what you have to say? I don't see any links...

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Same here. See my reply above.
Wait just a sec... and in the Fallujah strikes where U.S. troops got killed? And what 'bout the civillian hostages taken n' killed by wacko terrorists, due 2 coallition presence in Iraq? Or perhaps this was in a different parallel universe?


Wtf does this mean? Is this sarcasm? I cant tell with your bad grammer =p. All I was saying about the American deaths is that a couple thousand isn't that many...and that those people were proud to die and it was their choice so I don't think that anyone has the right to complain about someone dieing that wasn't forced.

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Really brave... unloads a bunch of b..ls..t and doesn't even hang around 2 see where it turns 2. Right-wing extremist crap n' same pittyful attitude.
Just doesn't stand 4 different opinions and freedom of speech amidst others. An army men indeed...  *Sarcasm metter explodes*


I stand for other's opinions...just not ignorant and pointless ones. And it's pointless to post in this thread because it is nothing but bickering and nagging. It'll never accomplish anything and it's a waste of time. Sarcasm meter explodes? K? Let me strap on my careface...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-12-01 at 13:51:49
QUOTE(Pears)
nr.77.? Like I care what you have to say? I don't see any links...


That's where u started this whole mess... in case u didn't know. Need glasses? I'll lend u some of mine. Just try 2 pass the little mousie through the text in my posts n' u'll see... especially in the underlined parts. rolleyes.gif

But since u say 2 don't care 'bout what I say, I guess that tolerance went out the window n' I'll prob'ly will do the same.

And we started bickering!?! That's a laugh. U started it when tried 2 tell us what 2 do n' 2 stfu. Either way, the freedom of speech prevails here... or at least I still think so. Tell me otherwise if it has changed in the meantime... ok? user posted image

QUOTE(Pears)
Wtf does this mean? Is this sarcasm? I cant tell with your bad grammer =p. All I was saying about the American deaths is that a couple thousand isn't that many...and that those people were proud to die and it was their choice so I don't think that anyone has the right to complain about someone dieing that wasn't forced.


Bad grammar... u only wish. Most of it is U.K. english. Don't tell me that now that's to far fetched 4 y'a? ermm.gif
Wait a sec... N' those military that said they didn't like being in Iraq (as some did)? Another issue 4 the "Twillight Zone" (parallel universe)?
"It was their choice"!?! What a bunch load of crap!
And yes, it's sarcasm, if u didn't realised it any time sooner. blink.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
I stand for other's opinions...just not ignorant and pointless ones. And it's pointless to post in this thread because it is nothing but bickering and nagging. It'll never accomplish anything and it's a waste of time. Sarcasm meter explodes? K? Let me strap on my careface...


U say 2 stand by other ppl's opinions!?! Another good laugh I took from just reading it! And this is?
QUOTE(Pears in the exact same post)
... Like I care what you have to say? ...

And u call me ignorant n' pointless? Biased logics at it's best... U definetly need a tweaking in ur standards. dry.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-01 at 18:46:29
the way i see it, unless any of you are in such an influential position in the United States government or are a large part of the American populus, there is nothing you can do about it, Bush won because he was better, too bad, so sad
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VoidArchon(MC) on 2004-12-01 at 19:09:24
Bush won because people want a little comedy in their life, watching some monkey rule america, and listening to his stupid speeches and funny faces, and that he's a COWBOY!

I'm happy he won, now i'll have more things to laught at him about when he talks!

Let's let the kind people below decide America's fate. wink.gif
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There yah go.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-01 at 19:14:20
The war on Iraq.
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Many innocent people were killed. Bush had no reason to attack Iraq. The US soldiers that died deserved it. Iraq had no link to Sept. 11th whatsoever. PearS, shut the censored.gif up.

24 Ways President Bush is like Adolph Hitler
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VoidArchon(MC) on 2004-12-01 at 19:21:58
Why don't US just target the Terrorist Organizations, instead of bombin' the crap outta' the Iraq people... +, IT was Osama Bin Laden who did it, why keep going...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-01 at 19:57:38
first, we aren't bombing anyone, we are sending troops there, and second we cannot just bomb the terrorist organizations, they do not have huige office building where they go to, they are spread out over the entire middle east, you cannot attack an enemy which is located (some unknown) countries
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-12-01 at 23:23:59
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Many innocent people were killed. Bush had no reason to attack Iraq. The US soldiers that died deserved it. Iraq had no link to Sept. 11th whatsoever. PearS, shut the  up.


censored.gif you. They deserved to die? Wtf is wrong with you? They fought and died for YOUR freedom. How could you say that...Go live in Iraq please then come back and talk censored.gif about our country.


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Wait a sec... N' those military that said they didn't like being in Iraq (as some did)? Another issue 4 the "Twillight Zone" (parallel universe)?
"It was their choice"!?! What a bunch load of crap!


Well those people are called moochers. They were in military to get money. I'm not saying money isn't a large reason im in the force...but I feel it is my responsibility to protect my country. And if I get sent over there...I will have no problem with it at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-12-01 at 23:33:41
What are you protecting us from? Certaintly not terrorism since Saddam's group had no affliation with the attacks on United States. Not Osama because he said he was not our objective. Hmm.... huh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-12-02 at 14:52:23
QUOTE(N.Nightmare)
... Bush won because he was better, too bad, so sad


Here we go again... You guys are stubborn or what? ranting.gif
Prove it, please. rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Void_Archon)
I'm happy he won, now i'll have more things to laught at him about when he talks!

Let's let the kind people below decide America's fate. wink.gif


To you it might be a laughin' matter but to me it's a concern. He (Bush) might try somethin' really stupid in the meantime. Perhaps like nuking N.Korea... crazy.gif

Yeah, what he says it's many times a laughin' riot. Especially when he tries to make smart remarks... But his actions worry me greatly! pinch.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
... Wtf is wrong with you? They fought and died for YOUR freedom. ...


Last time I checked Canada, the U.S. n' my country for that matter aren't exactly Iraq. Or this is the 3rd case for the parallel universe? rolleyes.gif
Wtf is wrong with you is up to me to say. Go to a map n' learn some Geography! disgust.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
Well those people are called moochers. They were in military to get money. I'm not saying money isn't a large reason im in the force...but I feel it is my responsibility to protect my country. And if I get sent over there...I will have no problem with it at all.


Never the less. They still represent ur country, including those that made those horrible stuff 2 POW's in jails located in Iraq!
Recall the I've never seen similar acts by any other coallition forces, including the U.K., that revised their position in the meantime and sticked there just 2 clean up the mess they started. I never saw a similar act from any U.S. administration personel. I wonder why? Narrow mindedness perhaps? glare.gif

Protect ur country!?! From what? A bunch of stupid brainwashed iraquis that followed their leader? Don't make me laugh! mad.gif

U on the other hand seem 2 have been brainwashed urself... ermm.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-02 at 15:16:55
QUOTE(Basan @ Dec 2 2004, 02:52 PM)
Here we go again... You guys are stubborn or what?
Prove it, please.
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ugh, ok, if this question doesn't prove it, i have no idea what will...ok here is the question for your post Basan, i'm only going to read the answer and nothing else....

Who won the United States Presidential Election of the year 2004?

George W. Bush / John Kerry / Ralph Nadar

and tihs is a rhetorical question (for those who do not know, rhetorical means without needing an answer)...why do the past presidents win the elections?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-02 at 16:06:15
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first, we aren't bombing anyone, we are sending troops there, and second we cannot just bomb the terrorist organizations, they do not have huige office building where they go to, they are spread out over the entire middle east, you cannot attack an enemy which is located (some unknown) countries

Weren't bombing anyone? HELLO! IT WAS ON THE censored.gif ING NEWS FOR GOD SAKES. Of course your corrupted government was bombing Iraq. As for that terrorist organization... why are the soldiers in Iraq?

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They fought and died for YOUR freedom.

LOL! You're saying soldiers went and killed random people in the middle-east for MY FREEDOM??!? SORRY BUDDY BUT I LIVE IN NORTH AMERICA. BTW, America was BARELY involved in either of the World Wars.

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How could you say that...Go live in Iraq please then come back and talk  about our country.

You know, if I lived in Iraq I would have a worser opinion about the US.

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I'm not saying money isn't a large reason im in the force...but I feel it is my responsibility to protect my country.

Well you know what? You're pathetic. Stop sticking up for your "country" and stick up for yourself. You will DIE 'protecting' it. You will DIE because of your pathetic beliefs.

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Neo, he only wins because he talks. Even though he sais a bunch of censored.gif , like Hitler, never keeps his word.
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Here you go people. Let's see how brainwashed you are. Take this quiz I made up just now.

1. Who was truely responsible for World War I before the Treaty of Versailles was signed?

2. Is Germany a bad country?

3. Is Iraq a bad country?

4. Is Canada a bad country?

5. Is the United States a bad country? Why?

6. How many innocent people did the United States kill during WWII?

7. When was the United States part of World War I?

8. When was the United States part of World War II?

9. What TWO countries invented the nuclear warhead?


If you get at least half of these wrong, you are most likely not ready to state your opinion about the United States.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-02 at 16:20:54
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 2 2004, 04:06 PM)
Even though he sais a bunch of  censored.gif , like Hitler, never keeps his word.
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you mean kind of like John Kerry not being able to take a side on something?

1. (still never learned about WWI)
2. No, Nazi-Germany was, this Germany has done nothing wrong
3. No, the dictator Saddam was.
4. Canada has done nothing wrong
5. No, because all we did was take out an evil dictator and helped people under suffering from Saddam.
6. Over 4 million Japanese civilians because of the Atomic Bombs because it was Total Warfare in the Japanese point of view, meaning civilians are fair game.
7. I have no idea.
8. After Pearl Harbor, but the President knew we were going to get into it before we did.
9. America and Russia? I'm taking a guess

QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 2 2004, 04:06 PM)
If you get at least half of these wrong, you are most likely not ready to state your opinion about the United States.
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well numbers 2-5 are opinions, if we do not think the same as you, we will get them wrong, so thats already almost 1/2 wrong...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-02 at 16:31:53
Well... going of my knowledge base from Command and Conquer... wouldn't #9 be Germany and USA? Einstine or whatever great scientist was working on it in germany but then deflected to usa? Maybe? smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-02 at 16:34:35
i think it is germany, russia used the basic ideas of it after us i believe, thats what began the Cold War, isn't it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SnIpA(MC) on 2004-12-02 at 16:52:54
u know wut pisses me off? people who wont LET IT GO. Bush didnt win cause americans are dumb. bush won cause the democratic party stopped being a party of the people. Instead it was a party of celebrities and left wing billionares. I infact was one of the RED STATES (GA) and I am not an idiot. nor are many of the people I know. I can just see beyond a reasonable doubt that bush was better than kerry. Im not saying bush was the best candidate. I myself would of loved for Zell Miller to be prez (if u dont know, hes the democrat from Georgia who was at the repub convention) Im black and when people ask. "But your black...why didnt you want kerry to win?" Simple; I wanted the best choice to win. I wouldnt want kerry even though its obvious my race votes more democrat. But the democratic party, as i said has lost the support of mainstream america. Bush wont bring in the draft. First of all, hes not an as*hole. He didnt lie to the american people. If u say he did, then the entire GOVERNMENT did and so did other countries who got the same intell about iraq, including kerry and the democrats. HE VOTED FOR THE F**KING WAR! Everyone thought it was the right thing to do, but when it goes a little sour people say "Oh this is ALL bush's fault" A second reason the draft wont come back is because drafted soldiers are horrible choises to defend our country. Thats why our military is so small, they are all professional soldiers. Draftees dont get trained as well as full time or even reservist soldiers. We lost vietnam and korea, both with draftees. I doubt any political leader would forget that. 3rd of all....Bush didnt wanna get drafted so he joined the air national guard.....Why in the world would he bring the draft back if hes against it?! Like I said, Bush is not an as*hole. People dont like him cause he made judgements. Maybe they were wrong and maybe they were the best he could do, but he had to make em. We cant tell if its a mistake now. Only history will tell. In 100 years, it could be possible that this was the conflict that caused the world to come together. Often people forget why soldiers are in the Middleast. Its not a war on afgh ans or iraqis. Its a war on terrorism in general. If we dont fight them over there then we have to deal with em on american soil. And for u people who are sayin we americans are stupid for voting for bush, explain to me how wed be smart for voting for kerry? Or maybe we should be more like the canadian government who has like -0- armed forces and depends on the United states to keep them safe. So have something good to say or shut ur GOD DAMN MOUTH! ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif

ADDITION: BTW: YOU GOT SERVED
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-02 at 17:10:36
and i was a blue state, (MA) who wihed it was red, but he won us because we were his home state...woot Snipa! cool1.gif happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-02 at 17:37:26
Here are the correct answers/answers I expected.

1. Germany (Expected Answer) (Correct answer is Austria-Hungary)

2. Yes. (Expected answer)

3. Yes. (Expected answer)

4. No. (Expected answer)

5. No. Because I live here. (Expected answer) (BTW the US did MORE than just that neo)

6. Dunno. They deserved it. (Expected answer) (BTW, civilians fare game? No. That's just pathetic. That's like saying if somebody hits you you're allowed to hit them back, which turns out into something pathetic and immature.)

7. They hardly took place in it. They only helped finish it.

8. After Pearl Harbour. Again, near the end of the war. They barely did anything in Europe though, since they were occupied by the Japanese.

9. The nuclear warhead was developed by both American and British scientists working together.


Note: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 were the expected answers, NOT my answers.

Also, Neo, what does John Kerry have to do with my post? Do you just assume that I want John Kerry to be president or something? I'm only attacking the Government corruption in the US.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-02 at 18:54:58
[quote=SnIpA(MC),Dec 2 2004, 04:52 PM]u know wut pisses me off? people who wont LET IT GO. Bush didnt win cause americans are dumb.[/QUOTE]

Well, I know all Americans aren't dumb. Just the slight majority are that voted for him.

[QUOTE]I infact was one of the RED STATES (GA) and I am not an idiot. nor are many of the people I know.[/QUOTE]

Well, you might not be an idiot but, thats ONE person. Their are many more of them. But, since you voted for Bush you are. Also it's only the average IQ that voted for each person.(Satrical remark petty sterotypical)

[QUOTE] I can just see beyond a reasonable doubt that bush was better than kerry.[/QUOTE]

Why? I would be suprised if I found out Condeliza Rica-a-Roni didn't tie his shoes in the morning.

[QUOTE]Im not saying bush was the best candidate. I myself would of loved for Zell Miller to be prez (if u dont know, hes the democrat from Georgia who was at the repub convention)[/QUOTE]
Your right, Bush was a terrible candidate. Zell miller had a great quote in the convention about guns. Although im saddend that it was a rebublican quote. cry.gif jk....

[QUOTE]Im black and when people ask. "But your black...why didnt you want kerry to win?" Simple; I wanted the best choice to win. I wouldnt want kerry even though its obvious my race votes more democrat.[/QUOTE]

That's good you should vote for the right person. [Kerry]

[QUOTE]But the democratic party, as i said has lost the support of mainstream america.[/QUOTE]

WHAT??? Please enlighten me on how.

[QUOTE]Bush wont bring in the draft. First of all, hes not an as*hole. He didnt lie to the american people. If u say he did, then the entire GOVERNMENT did and so did other countries who got the same intell about iraq...[/QUOTE]

That is what all(most) polititions are, liers. He is saying he won't, but, He is so desperate that he will do anything.

[QUOTE]Everyone thought it was the right thing to do, but when it goes a little sour people say "Oh this is ALL bush's fault"[/QUOTE]

Really, all people thought we should be in war with Iraq? I certainly didn't think we should go into Iraq. A little is underexagurating, don't you think?

[QUOTE]A second reason the draft wont come back is because drafted soldiers are horrible choises to defend our country. Thats why our military is so small, they are all professional soldiers. Draftees dont get trained as well as full time or even reservist soldiers.[/QUOTE]

They are terrible? So, if we put you in the military because of a draft. Then, you go and learn about the technology. It will be a waste and it is horrible you are getting people to help defend your country?

[QUOTE]We lost vietnam and korea, both with draftees. I doubt any political leader would forget that.[/QUOTE]

We lost the Korean War? I'm pretty sure that is more of an opinion question more than fact. The border remained at the 38th paralell as it was befor. To this day N. Korea and S. Korea are fighting. Some think we won because we stopped them from making the communist. Some think we lost because thy are still in war to this day and we lost all those lives for what?

[QUOTE] 3rd of all....Bush didnt wanna get drafted so he joined the air national guard.....Why in the world would he bring the draft back if hes against it?! Like I said, Bush is not an as*hole.[/QUOTE]

He's an censored.gif and a censored.gif .

[QUOTE] People dont like him cause he made judgements. Maybe they were wrong and maybe they were the best he could do, but he had to make em.[/QUOTE]

Best he could do? Well he has to try harder seeing ho he is THE PRESIDENT. You rarely get off with a "Well, I tried" I don't think thats good enough when your the President.

[QUOTE]We cant tell if its a mistake now. Only history will tell. In 100 years, it could be possible that this was the conflict that caused the world to come together. [/QUOTE]When did a war cause World Peace?

[QUOTE]Often people forget why soldiers are in the Middleast. Its not a war on afgh ans or iraqis. Its a war on terrorism in general.[/QUOTE]

It's a war on terrorism now, But, before wasn't it on Saddam Huesains WMD? Now, were fighting the extremest censored.gif es that don't want an election.

[QUOTE]If we dont fight them over there then we have to deal with em on american soil.[/QUOTE]

??Tell me what you mean with this quote.

[CODE] Or maybe we should be more like the canadian government who has like -0- armed forces and depends on the United states to keep them safe.[/QUOTE]
Really, they have no one fighting. Then how come they were in each war we were in. Including when we had d-day. They were probably somewhere up the beach a couple miles doing the same thing. Most Americans take that forgranted. *LIKE YOU*

[QUOTE]So have something good to say or shut ur GOD DAMN MOUTH:ranting: ranting.gif ranting.gif[/QUOTE]

???Go to hell might be the thing to say to that.

[QUOTE]ADDITION: BTW: YOU GOT SERVED[/QUOTE]
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Okay, You got served was the worst move all time. Fact not opinion.So please don't use that phrase again.

Thank you for your stupidity. It gave me a few laughs.


ADDITION: Not to be a pain in the ass but use spell check in the future it might make you look smarter that your grammar shows.

ADDITION: Some one please fix the quotes i don't know what happend.....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-12-02 at 19:16:10
u know wut pisses me off? people who wont LET IT GO. [
You know what pisses me off? People who won't use good grammer nor spelling.

Bush didnt win cause americans are dumb.
You're right, Bush won because the government is dumb.

bush won cause the democratic party stopped being a party of the people.
Yeah, they are trying to go for the greater good, not your tax cuts.

Instead it was a party of celebrities and left wing billionares.
Yeah, like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Oh wait, he's Republican. Sorry.

I infact was one of the RED STATES (GA) and I am not an idiot. nor are many of the people I know.
That's because you are too dumb to know you are an idiot. A smart person who is not very intelligent will know they are not the most resourceful person, but at least they realize that. Stupid people don't even realize they're stupid. It's like chess, people think it's boring, but thats only because they don't realize the true beauty of it.

I can just see beyond a reasonable doubt that bush was better than kerry.
Yeah, like his lies on Iraq. His lies on Weapons of Mass Destruction. His lies on the war. Sorry, I think I'm saying the word "lie" too much. His actions towards the rest of the world is simply pathetic. Now tell me, what has Kerry done that is bad? Choosing different sides? That, my friend, is all about being a Liberal. One who changes views depending on the facts. Bush, obviously, is anti-Liberal, and if you try to go against him, he will simply call you unpatriotic. Unpatriotic?! This place is all about freedom! "Freedom should have limits." said he. I don't know if we're talking about the same Bush, but I'm talking about the one with a equavilent to a 4th grader.

Im not saying bush was the best candidate.
I agree. I don't even think he was a candidate. He's just a "puppet" controleld by Cheney.

I myself would of loved for Zell Miller to be prez (if u dont know, hes the democrat from Georgia who was at the repub convention)
Anyone but Bush for 2004.

Im black and when people ask. "But your black...why didnt you want kerry to win?" Simple; I wanted the best choice to win.
Well, the best choice is not Bush as you said yourself. Why would you want him to win? Oh! Because you secretly to want him to win and use a crappy reason to cover it up. Wow, just like Bush! Coincidence?

I wouldnt want kerry even though its obvious my race votes more democrat. But the democratic party, as i said has lost the support of mainstream america.
Yeah, more brainwashing from Bush. From "War on terrorism" to "Operation Iraqi Freedom". Sounds more like "What happened?" to "I need oil LOL!!".

Bush wont bring in the draft. First of all, hes not an as*hole. He didnt lie to the american people. If u say he did, then the entire GOVERNMENT did and so did other countries who got the same intell about iraq, including kerry and the democrats.
Yup, they all lied. They always lie, it's the only way for them to have "power". Kerry wants to fight for the war, but not for Bush's reasons. Why? Because Bush's reason is made up and doesn't exist. What other country got involved in the War in Iraq? I think five or so, many of which pulled out. They are afraid you say? I think they are smart enough to realize Bush is a dumbass.

HE VOTED FOR THE F**KING WAR! Everyone thought it was the right thing to do, but when it goes a little sour people say "Oh this is ALL bush's fault"
Of course he voted for the war. Not sure who you're talking about but both Bush and Kerry wanted the war. This war has not turned "a little sour". It has turned to an unjustified war with civilian casulties that rival the Vietnam war. We all know what happend there right?

A second reason the draft wont come back is because drafted soldiers are horrible choises to defend our country. Thats why our military is so small, they are all professional soldiers. Draftees dont get trained as well as full time or even reservist soldiers.
Whoa, your "second" reason? Your first reason wasn't even a reason. It was trying to explain something that had nothing to do with the draft. Military small? Seriously, United States has one of the largest, if not the largest army in the world. On top of that, United States more Nuclear Warheads than 95% of any country in the world, at least.

We lost vietnam and korea, both with draftees. I doubt any political leader would forget that.
Lost? Lost what? Yeah, the Vietnam war was lost because you lost a lot of soldiers.

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The lowest casualty estimates, based on North Vietnamese statements which are now discounted by Vietnam, are around 1.5 million Vietnamese killed. Vietnam released figures on April 3, 1995 that a total of one million Vietnamese combatants and four million civilians were killed in the war. The accuracy of these figures has generally not been challenged. It is unclear how many Vietnamese were wounded in the war.

Of the Americans, 58,226 were killed in action or classified as missing in action. A further 153,303 Americans were wounded to give total casualties of 211,529. The United States Army took the majority of the casualties with 38,179 killed and 96,802 wounded; the Marine Corps lost 14,836 killed and 51,392 wounded; the Navy 2,556 and 4,178; with the Air Force suffering the lowest casualties both in numbers and percentage terms with 2,580 killed and 931 wounded.

source: www.wikipedia.org

Your "lost" of soldiers was nothing compared to how many civilians died. Nothing. Of course, we live in America, it's our goal to kill innocent people.

3rd of all....Bush didnt wanna get drafted so he joined the air national guard.....Why in the world would he bring the draft back if hes against it?!
Because he's a "flip-flopper". Well, actually, give me your sources for this subject, whether it be common sense or simply crap, I would like the sources.

Like I said, Bush is not an as*hole. People dont like him cause he made judgements. Maybe they were wrong and maybe they were the best he could do, but he had to make em. We cant tell if its a mistake now. Only history will tell.
"...go to war as a last resort.." Love your choices Bush. I love them. Best he can do? If going to war was his last resort, then my only assumption is that his only choice was war. Which means he wanted the war. But then again, my previous statement said Americans love killing innocent people, so I should have saw it coming.

In 100 years, it could be possible that this was the conflict that caused the world to come together.
Yeah, in 100 years, the world will rest in peace. Wait, what? Rest in Peace?! Sounds like something you would put on a tombstone. Oh well, probably because Bush is going to blow the world up. Ok, I will be honest with you, it is very possible this war will come to that. But think about this, how many wars have solved problems? Not many, and the more recent it is, the less effective it has been. Also, think about this: "Balance of Power". Meaning, when one country raises it's military power, so does another, thus creationg an endless cycle of creation of the military power and drainage of the hard earned resources.

Often people forget why soldiers are in the Middleast. Its not a war on afgh ans or iraqis. Its a war on terrorism in general. If we dont fight them over there then we have to deal with em on american soil.
You realize that terrorism has nothing to do with Bush's "plan"? Iraqi freedom is his choice and it's failing. His coverup is falling and his true plan will be revealed. What happened to Osama bin Laden? The reason he went to the Middle East was because of him. "...I don't really care..." said Bush when asked on what happened to Osama.

And for u people who are sayin we americans are stupid for voting for bush, explain to me how wed be smart for voting for kerry?
Oh, oh, oh! Even I can answer this one! Because he got higher grades than Bush's C average. Seriously though, the only reason I support Kerry is because he's not Bush. If I had to choose between a monkey or Bush, I would probably get confused because the two are so similar.

Or maybe we should be more like the canadian government who has like -0- armed forces and depends on the United states to keep them safe.
Yeah, no army is good. But such a place cannot exist because it is against human nature to have a true utopia, so I will just skip that topic.

So have something good to say or shut ur GOD DAMN MOUTH! ranting.gif ranting.gif ranting.gif
Yeah, shut up SnIpA(MC). Oh wait, that's you, sorry.

ADDITION: BTW: YOU GOT SERVED
I laugh at your stupidity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-02 at 19:36:37
Cheeze, you are probably one of the only people who actually talked common sense today!! ^_^ finally, someone who knows what they're talking about!!

That person me and you both picked apart his paragraph was funny. He was so stupid. He must of been brainwashed.I love making satirical remarks.
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