QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Aug 15 2005, 06:09 PM)
Interesting, so instead of just dropping them, you could detect whether they have EUDEnabler, and then kick them if they don't?
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No. They will still drop, but they will continue running the game, so the detection trigger will run. What happens is the group of players splits in two. The people who have EUDEnabler will play together and the people who don't will play together.
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If we have a "proceed" type trigger before the actual EUDs kick in, people who dont have EUDEnabler can either download it and get it turned on, or they can turn it on if they simply forget.
Very good idea. I think I'll try and make a proof-of-concept map for this.
This is starting to look very promising.
omg Heimdal is my hero =O!! p9-12 triggs yay

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This is starting to look very promising.
Remember today, people, today, life is good.

what about Tomorrow? it will b better

Success! Heimdal, me, and Legacy Weapon have just tested a map that can detect the EUDEnabler. Bad news is Heimdal needs to add a redetection status. When I turned on EUDEnabler, I still got spammed with the message "Please turn on EUDs". And Legacy, who had it on in the first place, when he turned them off, continued to not get spam. But Heimdal is confident he can add a redetection status.
And tomorrow will definitely be better, unless Blizzard says "no".
hehe, i know tomorrow will b better, i think the spam is bcause he didnt use a preserve trigger on the Detection and he did on the Message
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hehe, i know tomorrow will b better, i think the spam is bcause he didnt use a preserve trigger on the Detection and he did on the Message
Well you would want to preserve the message so that people will continue to receive the message until they comply. Although the point about the not preserving the detection may be right, unless you have to set certain conditions to reset and preserve, which would only be slightly more difficult.
Yoshi, stop letting this stuff into your site, because if Blizzard finds out, they'll shut down your site, and this program IS A HACK, and from the hack report i read, it says, "Report all sites that support hacking." So if you want to continue with this site, remove this topic immidiatly, dispose of this horrible program, and lets concentrate on UPDATING THE MAPS ON THE DLDB, IT HAS BEEN 4-5 DAYS OMFG!!
If Blizzard wanted to shut down this site for hacks. This would be the only reason they need:
http://www.staredit.net/index.php?dlcategory=36I don't care what
you may think those are, but in Blizzards eyes they are hacks. Now please, don't tell him what to do. He doesn't go around dictating how you do things.
ADDITION:
Blizzard has always stated that they ignore harmless hacks and concentrate on the harmful hacks that litter SC (like maphack). Why would they target this?
QUOTE(Scheisse @ Aug 16 2005, 01:16 AM)
Yoshi, stop letting this stuff into your site, because if Blizzard finds out, they'll shut down your site, and this program IS A HACK, and from the hack report i read, it says, "Report all sites that support hacking." So if you want to continue with this site, remove this topic immidiatly, dispose of this horrible program, and lets concentrate on UPDATING THE MAPS ON THE DLDB, IT HAS BEEN 4-5 DAYS OMFG!!
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If Blizzard wants it removed, they will email me or our host, and tell them it will be removed. In which case, I will remove it.
Blizzard wouldn't "SHUT DOWN" The site. If you think about it, theres all those crappy hacking sites that have been up for like, 7 years and they never were torn down... but those sites that focus on them need to be killed..
Plus, by using this, you only really affect yourself and don't gain an unfair advantage vs other people. Blizzard released the patch, tried to protect you against whatever. Using this program violates the EULA and voids them of any responsibility for anything.
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Yoshi, stop letting this stuff into your site, because if Blizzard finds out, they'll shut down your site, and this program IS A HACK, and from the hack report i read, it says, "Report all sites that support hacking." So if you want to continue with this site, remove this topic immidiatly, dispose of this horrible program, and lets concentrate on UPDATING THE MAPS ON THE DLDB, IT HAS BEEN 4-5 DAYS OMFG!!
Do you support Penguin Plug? Because Penguin Plug is a more SERIOUS HACK than this! :0
How about BWChart? Now THERE'S a hack Blizzard should remove!
Based on your logic, you want any other useful programs to be removed.
Indeed. As Yoshi and Deathknight have said, they would have done something by now. Blizzard at this point probably does not have the time to deal with us. If they did, they would not be setting their priorities straight. We are not the greatest problem. They have already dealt with us (Patch 1.13b), and now, they must focus on more urgent problems: SC: Ghost, other new unnamed game developments, maybe even SC 2? The point is, they have done something, and we undid it, but we have done it in a way that makes it not their responsibility. It is possible that Blizzard has not yet been informed of this, and we must proceed cautiously, but at this point, who is going to use EUDEnabler on a daily basis in UMS maps, besides SEN, or private map makers? Not alot, there are probably less than fifteen largely playable EUD using maps, and most often are major in major testing phases (Heimdal's EUD warning test map). And Deathknight is also right, by using your logic, you would need ALL programs removed, BAD OR GOOD. Even SCXE or SF is consdered hacking, becuase of the EULA violation, and it gives SOMEONE an unfair advantage, e.g. SCXE gives map makers who use it an unfair option palette over those who are forced to use *snicker* original SC Editor; we can place certain buildings anywhere almost completely stack, and have a greater option in triggers, not to mention the speed at which we can do this. And as for updating the maps in the DLDB, how fast are going to update it? Battle.net is still recovering from the infestation of the High-Damage LotRish map; would SEN supportadding EVERY SINGLE one of these onto the site? Which they are all basically all the same by this point. As for telling Yoshi what to do, ta was not the way to do it. He does not run your life, and yet you attempt to run his? Everyone who uses EUDEnabler knows of the accompaning risks of using this program. And before ANYONE EVER AGAIN SHOULD POST SOMETHING ABOUT REGARDING THE USELESSNESS OR THE DANGERS OF EUDEnabler OR THAT THIS SHOULD BE REMOVED PLEASE READ THE FIRST NINE PAGES. PLEASE. I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF TYPING THE SAME D*** THING OVER AND OVER FOR PEOPLE DO DON'T LISTEN. PLEASE!

I think I found a way to make the detecting thing to work (I haven't tested)
Trigger |
Conditions: |
¤ Switch 1 is cleared. |
Actions: |
¤ Set deaths of marine for player 9: Set to 1
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¤ Set Switch 1
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¤ Preserve Trigger |
Trigger |
Conditions: |
¤ Switch 1 is set.
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¤ Player 9 has exactly 0 deaths of marine |
Actions: |
¤ Display Text Message:"You need to get eudenabler at http://eud.staredit.net!"
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¤ Clear switch 1
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¤ Preserve Trigger |
QUOTE(Tavrobel @ Aug 16 2005, 09:15 AM)
And before ANYONE EVER AGAIN SHOULD POST SOMETHING ABOUT REGARDING THE USELESSNESS OR THE DANGERS OF EUDEnabler OR THAT THIS SHOULD BE REMOVED PLEASE READ THE FIRST NINE PAGES. PLEASE. I AM GETTING SICK AND TIRED OF TYPING THE SAME D*** THING OVER AND OVER FOR PEOPLE DO DON'T LISTEN. PLEASE!

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Calm down there. People are aloud to tell us their opinions on this program...I like it, I made a map with infinite range for all weapons and spells, and works... but people can say if it's a bad thing or not. You don't even have to reply now do you? You aren't being forced to post. They are right about it being a hack, so you can't say it doesn't have any dangers. I only use it with people I can trust. Don't tell people what they are aloud to say and not aloud to say.
I never thought this unitil now, but Heimdal, you're going to need to put in a better way to restrict memory. I have found out that it is indeed possible and quite simple to include a virus in a map and run it with EUD's. I was wrong about another program being required. It wasn't until I though about it that I realized this. The main problem will always be finding a pointer that would be called when you wanted it to be. Getting a way to check what memory is being used should be a top priority now.
The question is, can people remotely change your memory? I'm sure they can change theirs but if the unit-deaths are limited like they already are then I dont see a way.
Trust me, it is possible. The way I've found will run the virus to all people with EUDEnabler on. It needs to be restricted. The actual locations are too numerous, I think.
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 16 2005, 07:47 AM)
Do you support Penguin Plug? Because Penguin Plug is a more SERIOUS HACK than this! :0
How about BWChart? Now THERE'S a hack Blizzard should remove!
Based on your logic, you want any other useful programs to be removed.
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BWChart isn't a hack because all it does is read the replay data =P It doesn't interact with starcraft directly at all. =P
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Aug 16 2005, 11:49 AM)
I never thought this unitil now, but Heimdal, you're going to need to put in a better way to restrict memory. I have found out that it is indeed possible and quite simple to include a virus in a map and run it with EUD's. I was wrong about another program being required. It wasn't until I though about it that I realized this. The main problem was finding a pointer that would be called when you wanted it to be. I won't say anymore, I don't want to give ideas. Getting a way to check what memory is being used should be a top priority now.
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render func?
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BWChart isn't a hack because all it does is read the replay data =P It doesn't interact with starcraft directly at all. =P
Doesn't matter. It's a hack. Starforge is a hack too.
...According to Blizzard.
DiscipleOfAdun, which player number should it be restricted to?
Guys, Blizzard patched it for a reason. They didn't do it because they were bored. If you take away the effects of the patch, you expose yourself to any risks that they found.
Which is why Heimdal needs to know about it, so that he can make this program safer.