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Personally, I'd rather have seen SC mapping burn out in a blaze of EUD glory (even with the risks) than fade away. I'd like to trust that someone would make a SC2 or something, but...

I'd play a EUD map if it was great. If a map's uber enough, I'd play it even if I had to use EUDenabler.

ADDITION: "Maps with EUD will not be allowed in the database, mostly for the DLDB keeper's protection, as they will not be downloading or using EUDenabler."

If a DLDB keeper wanted to use EUDEnabler, isn't it their choice?

1 - I can bet that some communities will still "allow" this. Mainly because they have little consern for the safety of their users apposed to getting more of them.
2 - Sites will likely still host it.

ADDITION:

It is, but I'm not forcing them. If anything, I'm recommending they don't.

That has been argued a majority of the time in the past pages, not that people think SC will die without them. But you are right, considering it has been what was said... many times.

It's not worth the risk. Would you like it if you joined a game and all of a sudden you have to spend an hour reinstalling everything, not to mention that some people dont know HOW to reinstall stuff?

Yeah, but would the average Cloudstriferoth667 play them? Would they even know what to do with an enabler even if they had the gumption to follow a link in the map to get it? Would they trust it? COULD they trust it?

You see what I'm getting on. Thanks to the combined weight of Yoshi and Blizzard's decisions, EUDs are relatively dead. And so is SC's future, as far as I can tell.

But EUD maps will not be allowed into the DLDB anyway, even if a DLDB Keeper tested the map, did everything that's needed for approval, etc?

If you think it's dead that's fine, but the more you say it the more annoying it gets to read it. I don't believe that without EUD's SC is dead. SC will just be dead to those who are too sucked into the whole EUD thing and can't come back to how SC was before. Those people I think should just quit playing

Who is dumb enough that they don't know how to follow instructions in plain English text under the age of...
Wait, I'm going to take that back. No one follows instructions anymore. And no one actually knows how to use the English language perfectly anyway.

I'd have rather seen SC do something with itself than just sit on its legacy and rot.

Did I say anything to the contrary?

Starcraft is NOT DEAD without EUDs. We were fine without it a month ago, and we were flourishing.



He's right. If you think so, just quit. No one needs a great map maker to bestuck inthe past of something that was already patched out by Blizzard, and said as not being safe enough to use by Yoshi, the leader of SEN, which is the best map making community on the internet, and the CREATOR OF THE PROGRAM EUDENABLER, Heimdal, who said that there is infact, a risk in using this program, and that you accept full responsibility.

StarCraft's got plenty of fight left in it. I don't think we've seen the end of StarCraft yet.

[sarcasm]Yea, I would rather have Starcraft be infiltrated with hacks than sit on its legacy and rot as well. Anything is better than the crappy Starcraft we have now right? [/sarcasm]

that was quick..

if anyone got a dangerus or potentially dangerus sc map please pass it to me on[URL=mailto: softwarewolf@gmail.com]softwarewolf@gmail.com[/URL]

if tuxedo, heimdal and dk says its only on map memory and cant be used to execute .exe files or anything else malicious i belive it.

please feel free to change my mind.

is there really any proof on ANYTHING slightly harmfull that can be done using EUD's?
as far as i can see the worst thing it could do is hack your SC sound volume

But you know, even if this isn't going to be publicly endoresed, it should still be explored nonetheless. There's only so many places in the range of EUD memory access someone could stick a virus, and thus it COULD be preventable.

Would you consider re-endoresing it if it were made virus-proof?

So you are willing to believe that Starcraft is dead?
If you think so, you might as well leave Starcraft map making now, Tuxedo. We have not always had this, for seven years in fact, and we survived this entire time. What makes you think we can't keep going now?

SC's future is. No, it already was. UMS maps have about reached there limit. Extended terrain has been explored ad nausium. Modding is relatively unpopular. Melee scene has become redundant (still active, though).

It's not going anywhere. The only real reason we exist here is in anticipation of continuation; either with SC2 or a W3 mod or whatever. That hasn't happened yet, and I have limits to my patience, personally.

So, Blizzard decides to say something about the whole thing. They are watching us!

Nothing is virus-proof completely. Even security systems like McAfee or Norton Anti-Virus is not completely protected by a virus. And yes, if it were made safe enough, perhaps, but I have acceptted that EUDs have been effectively made dead by Blizzard's decison to patch them out, and by Yoshi's decision to remove Enabler.

I'm sorry, but I would rather make a few people angry then being responsible for who knows how many people's computers totally going wacked, when I could of taken action and I didn't. You're right, there may not be a threat at all and SC could have used EUDs all the time. But I'm not taking my chances, and neither should anyone else. There are a lot of people who are misinformed about this matter.


I don't think anyone will email you, but trust me, its possible, and they work. Thats the entire reason why blizzard was quick to make 1.13b. I would not have done this if it were purely rumor.

[sarcasm]Tux has made me realize what a waste of time Starcraft has become. I'll go do what the last sentence of my signature says, because I've wasted my life on Starcraft. [/sarcasm]

Tavrobel: a virus is a completely different thing.

this is about a security breach (if there is any). and its fully possible to make a eud hack that's perfectly safe.

No. People stay because they want to play a seven year old game that has survived through everything that hes been thrown its way. People even died because of Starcraft, and Starcraft survived the bad press and animosity thrown towards it. If you would like to make those deaths vain, or if you truly think Starcraft is dead, and that it has reached its limits, then go, leave, forget about those you have come to help the last years explore map making. I for one will be happy to see you go if you truly believe this. But if you don't, then stay, and live out this miracle of gaming as long as it is ours to bear, until SC2 comes out. Then everyone can do whatever they want.

ok seeing as just over the past few months sen was becoming biger and biger i see no reason for ANYONE to quit starcraft now.......we have lasted up to 7 years with starcraft(5 or 6 without anything like extended terrain and 3rd party editors) y cant we last a few more years like this