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Leon, your such a hypocrite. Telling me to calm down when your making comments so irrational, and so n00bish. Then again.... I also do not remember yelling.. oh wait is that you assuming I was. Yes it was. "Trying to act cool" On SEN? You kidding me. You obviously are from bringing it up. If you try to act cool, your a n00b (I've gota general thought of who, but won't point any fingers..)

DEAD, your starting to sound like leon, knock it off. LW has the right to create w/e programs he wants. He can create your protection, or take it away. If he had not made the very protection he unmade, then its kind of a different story. But all he did, was simply take away what he gave.

just so you know leon, your not included in the "sensible" people.

btw leon.. GG

Yes he can make whatever he wants, but lying still sucks.

Did he lie to harm SEN in any way ? Did he lie to get some kind of benifit from it ?

You must realize what Tux has. The problem has shifted from protection vs unprotection to focusing on what, if anything, must be done with LegacyWeapon. There is a massive trust issue here.

What should we do with LegacyWeapon?


Nothing, nothing at all.

do you even realize how repetitive it is to have a username, a user signature, and then at the end of every post put your name? I mean seriously dude. Its almost like reading the codes of maps.

-Kame

whoa whoa whoa. What lost trust? Jeez man. gtfo while you still can...I maintain that, just go.

He did come out in the open with it, but I don't know if that does anything to his credit. It could just be that he's given up faith in SC in general, like many others, and figured there wouldn't be anything to lose. Or he could also just be doing it for attention, or maybe because he believes he's right.

Frankly though, opinions (the latter) should not get in the way of duties. I'm sure he knew protection would be a sensitive issue with many people, and making it in the first place, let alone claiming it, would cause some sensitivity. I think that's fine and all if he wants to do that, thinking it's right, but doing so should definitely have some costs.



The irony I find is that for a program that enables people to remove credit from maps he'd come forth to claim credit for making it.

EDIT- Editted for accuracy.

I don't want to read all ~180 posts, so I'll just state my opinion on this since everyone else is: Protection is good. The people who made their maps have the right to protect them if they so wish, they don't have to. More then half the revisions of maps made rig the game, making player one start with infinite minerals or something similar. These often overwrite over the good versions, thus destroying your map database, and only a very small percentage of all revisions of maps by other people actually help the map. And then, you join another game, and that map you just downloaded which was better then the original is deleted, and now you have a gay map where the first four players start with 99 scv's each and all triggers are deleted, or a less drastic version of the same scenario.

Protection is also useful when you want to prove that you made a certain map. With an unprotector as powerful as OSMAP around, how is anyone supposed to prove that they made any map, maybe to join a mapping clan and recieve help on a map? I understand that unprotection could help in some ways, updating a map that has a lot of potential but isn't up to bnet standards (low standards, but the map may have a good idea). For those people who want to unprotect a map to learn, why not just have made a program that reads a map like OSMAP and all, but shows you everything on the map and the triggers, but doesn't allow you to edit anything. Perfect way to learn from the map, and it won't allow people to rig it.

I think you would have thought of that, and if you made this program as a substitute for the one I just suggested because you can't process the map file or anything, I don't think you should have made the program anyway. While people now know more about mapping, there are much more gay and rigged maps on battle net, and many people probably have less motivation to make maps now that they wouldn't be credited for it and if it's a success the map would probably be ruined by others.

Dude...what the freak are you people female doging about? I mean seriously...StarEdit is freaking unprotecting Starkraft...you caues are all whiney hypocritical female doges, imho.

I'd just drop this whole thing. Just forget about it. The more we talk about this, the worse the situation becomes. Eventually, it will be forgotten. We wont need to confront this "problem" anymore, because the problem itself will die out.

I only blame LegacyWeapon for reviving our past ugly memories of OSMAP by making this newspost, because we were almost at that stage of forgetting about OSMAP. It's probably going to take a much much longer time now to resolve tihs situation now that we know who the maker of OSMAP is.

LW had every right to do what he did. Admin also has every right to punish him. Personally, I think he should lose all special priviledges on SEN, even if it's not as "punishment." He's likely to be viewed as a villain now, and it would be in the best interest of all if he did not have any power on this site... to protect the well-being of both himself and those that might seek to cause him stress. I admit that I have used OSMAP to look at maps before. Admittedly, I don't map all that often, and there are many things that I don't know how to do. Still, I don't think looking at a map and copying it is any substitute for experience. Of course LW will claim he had only good intentions in his mind when he created OSMAP, and I suppose we'll never know what he truly feels. However, the potential for bad outweighs the potential for good with this program.

One question: why the bloody Hell would he waste all that time on this program?

Well obviously I can tell that some people are upset about what happened. All that I have to say is that I've changed my opinion on unprotection. Although I still wish that map makers could have a choice, I'm starting to accept map unprotection. Once I released a few maps during the summer, I came to realise that it isn't such a big deal. I used to be one of those uptight map protectors but now I don't really care much. Well as long as most people use the program responsibly then it shouldn't be a problem. I've been unprotecting maps to check out tricks and such in maps and it has helped me a lot.

Cool one of my maps was unprotected.

That was a cool idea to submit all the maps for statistics.

Why would you take him out of power? This could be the best strenght SeN's mod team has; someone completely unbias to a community and a superior who now hates him, rather than spending the entire time sucking up to the admins, like some other mods do. What more do you need?

If you don't believe in protection, don't protect your maps. But don't try and ruin it for everyone else who wnats protection for their map.

Actually, I agree. About the reviving part, at least. It brings uneeded layers of emotion to the issue, and I don't think we've covered much new ground from exploring it (except to decide whether protection is really that big of a deal, anyway).

Personally, I just find it irresponsible to have publicly released it, in any case. Heimdal and SI didn't make unprotectors, or allow their editors to be able to do it. What suddenly gives him the right to decide on making one? At least, why weren't the rest of us given a chance to agree/disagree first? How do we know it won't become an issue in the future, as well?



That's putting personal views before others and duties. That should have a cost.

2 is bullcrap you gotta do something

ADDITION:
You could have atleast made OSMap in VB so it doesnt look like crap

Agreed. He hasn't broken a single staredit.net rule. Nothing needs to be done.

And, a wise man once said:

It's just a game.

That's right. STARCRAFT IS A FREAKIN' GAME! Maybe if you people weren't so obsessed with making people you don't know respect you, you'd realise that there ARE THINS THAT MATTER MORE.

I'm here to see someone get lynched.

Did SC ever even supposed to have Protection? May i ask?

*gasp* only us republicans are allowed to do that, Feguland!

Playing the it's just a game card is a little late, maybe? Here we are as map makers doing things we like to do, even going as far as to take it seriously at times. It doesn't matter the reasons for it; you argue those with the people doing that. Not use it as the reason to undermine them.

Same goes for this protection issue itself.

The point of ube3 was no longer protection, but rather compression and map editing. It has nice functions such as unrecycle strings and "no-add" protection. Not everyone knows enough VB to understand what is going on.

This whole forum is about that freaking game.

No no, my dear Kame. I never said that I would be doing the lynching. I just want to see someone else do it.