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How can god not be bound by time? The fact that he did something and then did something else means there is time in between. Even if he could "control" time, there is still time in between of the controlled points. To us, he might have gone back in time and thus, have control. To him, he did something, then he did something again in another time. So he is bound by the very highest level of it.


This doesn't matter. Logical errors in the bible (or any "holy" book) is not reasoning for being an athiest. Just because this religion is wrong doesn't mean a god can't exist.


So that means we must assume he doesn't exist? I think we should be more open-minded. If you put an item in a box, and showed the box to someone else, they would have no reason to suspect that there is something in the box. Does this mean there is nothing in there? No!


Completely irrelevant and off topic. Use another thread please.

i heard many crazy theories how someone wanted her dead and staged the car accident but the truth is we may never know

I was wondering about this for a while, but if you're asking for proof of a god, exactly what do you expect to see? Ok hard evidence/proof, yes, but elaborate, like give an example, not just a definition of what the word evidence/proof means. Sometimes some people don't even know what they're looking for. And if you don't know what exactly you're looking for, you'll never find "proof," even if it slips right under your nose, since you can't recognize one when you see one.

Just curious.

I'm "atheist" because it seems pretty odd to me to believe in religon.
"Why is grass green"
"Because god made it that way"
"...."

There's a bunch of crap like that. And people asking these questions like "If there really is a god who creates everyone then why would he make people who don't believe in him". And a lot of the stuff with God doesn't really work well with science. I like proof in what I believe in, and no loose ends. Science has a lot of loose ends, like the big bang theory. But religon has even more. What exactly got God to his position. Someone must've made god? And how exactly does he make a planet anyway, he says abra kadabra and it's made?

Doesn't make any sense.


If god can create anyone then I would suggest him doing some "tricks". Like if God can do anything, then he should be able to give me wings and let me fly right? Or just make me levitate. Or tell me what number i'm thinking of 1-1 Trillion. It seems stupid but a few simple tests and I would believe that he EXISTS. But I probably still be questioning the things I said above. Though I doubt the mighty high being would be real happy to do some tricks just to make a single person believe in him.

Religion is a set of beliefs. How does that have anything to do with an existance of a "god?"

To understand why one is Aetheist you need to understand the core of religion. Why was religion created? Why did we envision such 'Gods' with infinite powers? How did aetheists come to be?

Religion was created because humans were 'gifted' with the power of thought, the power of logic, the power of mathematics. We are superior to our cousins (species), to our enviorment, to other animals. Our power of thought and logic is also our worst enemy. A human is always lost, always thinking, always questioning. We are stupid yet intelligent. We needed a guide. When we don't understand something we look for answers, when we can't find answers, we get angry. Religion was created to answer our many questions we can't find answers to. We created a 'God' with infinite powers to do what we want him/her/it to do. How was the Earth created? God made it. How did humans come to be? God created us. What is beyond death? Heaven and hell. These 'guides' developed more and more as we understand more and more. We created what was 'wrong' and what was 'right' in society. Killing was wrong, the truth was right. This concept of religion is easy for people to understand and believe because it answers questions we don't know the answer to or don't understand.

Aetheists were our philosiphers, our scientists. We questioned life and nature, we sought answers, we learned to understand the intricacy of the world. We learn to appreciate life and to live it thouroughly, enjoy what life has to offer instead of devoting our life pryaing we don't go to hell, praying for good fortune, when we are all capable of doing so ourselves. We do not need a guide with infinite powers, we are capable of guiding ourselves. We need to understand not dwell on one ideaology. We need to discover our own answers.

Why am I an aetheist? I don't want to spend my life believing that there is something up there looking over me my whole life. I want to be bad sometimes, I want to be good sometimes, I want to discover my own answers, I want to be me. I don't even want to waste one second of my life praying or even having faith. I know my limits, I know what I can do and what I'm capable of. I will not let any 'God' rule my thoughts, I will not believe in ridiculous "'God' created this or that." I rule my own thoughts. GG.

Because most religons have a "god" they "believe" in?

OK then, I am an atheist in the sense that I don't believe in the God described by the Christian (and similar) religions.

Just because you believe in a "god" doesn't mean you have to be religious. Refer to cheeze's arguments.

This topic is about why you are an atheist, meaning why you dont believe in any form of god. This doesn't mean just the christian or some other religious god. Many people just only believe in a god but don't follow a religion. You're saying you're atheist because you don't follow any religions, which is an invalid reason because atheism isn't about being nonreligious; it's about not believing in the existence of a god. You've given us your reason for not believing in a christian god, so sure it's a valid reason to not believe in a christian god, but not necessarily a god in general.

That's great.
Are you implying that I must be religous. A god is a main factor in religon. And if you believe in "God" (AKA The Religous figure) might not make you religous, but it doesn't make you atheist either. Let's quote the wikipedia defention if Atheism:

If you don't know what a diety is, it's basically a god.

I'm pretty sure I made it blantantly clear that I don't believe in god. And yet you say my reasoning is invalid and then state the exact reason I don't believe in religon (For the most part).

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Pascal's wager is an argument for religion.

That's why it links to the criticisms of it.

I didn't miss your point. I said we are bound by time. However, I also said so is god. He cannot stop his own sense of time. Even if he "changed" it, it would still be past and future from his point of view.

RedArmy: Your description of a god is a religious god. I'm talking about god in general. One with lots of powers and stuff. You also make the blunder that only "this" kind of god can exist. Well, there are an infinte amount of possibilities.

I think this is off topic. If we're going to discuss about things for the argument of religion, make another thread. Please try to avoid justifying religion in here. I'm trying to get the atheists to justify their beliefs!

I think I'll start deleting posts if they're not related to what I asked for.

Exactly what I said.


Yes you did, the only thing I was pointing out was that you cant use this:

as one of your reasons for being atheist, because that's not a reason for not believing in God; it's a reason for not being religious.

That was the first sentance of my post. I then elaborated on which parts of religon I disagree with. One of them is a "higher being" or "god". All religons that I'm aware of have a god you have to believe in. I said religon was odd, and how it was odd how people believe in something like god. If the main reason of religon that I disagree with is a God then that still makes it a main reason for being athiest then doesn't it?

I just think that religion is pointless; it's just something those people 3000 years ago invented because they were bored.

mmhm female dog.

The person below me loves to rub their own nipples, especially when they can't find a girls to do so with.

nope bout the first part definately the second


The person below me agrees totally!

We're not talking about religion. Any more discussion about religion (unless it's related to the question) in here will be deleted without warning.

Anyway, the religion is not pointless. Most Atheist people think that most of the bible is a lie and they think the churches are kurropt (which they are). Because of the hard exposer of hearing about total lies, they go Atheistic.

I simply feel no presence of this omnipotent creator, the sermons and what not bring me no feeling of connection or acknowledgement. I do not feel God in my heart. I'm sure that, as Christians, you feel the existence of this God, I just don't. I'm not denying feelings, they don't exist.

I'm sorry, I just want to believe that something created something, not nothing created something. I know it may sound dumb, but I'm not hurting anybody like you guys would be if u say I'm a fool.

Once again, we're not talking about religion! Let's assume for a moment that religion did not exist. How does that justify a god not existing? It doesn't. Stop relating religion to god.


So you don't have a reasoning beside what you "feel"? Surely there must be something else that convinced you. I can't feel god. But that doesn't give me enough reason to not believe in one.

There is, however, a thing called "inference".