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Report, edit, etc...Posted by xMCx on 2006-06-03 at 17:08:12
You can spread religion if you believe in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gradius on 2006-06-03 at 17:11:35
Depends on what you do with your life. If youre a lazy worthless person who has accomplished nothing, dont care about anybody but yourself and havent helped any person besides yourself then you certainly dont have any reason to live.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 17:16:17
[center]Another thought, Suicide[/center]

Why do people do it?

It is one of the most selfish things you could possibly do. You think your having a bad life, so your answer is to kill yourself, right! Well you mine as well kill your gfamily too. Killing yourself puts your family into somehting you killed yourself because of. Commiting suicide hurts more people harder than how the people feel about themeselves to commit it!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 17:24:38
I generally think there are alot of reasons to live. For one, I joined the military to help keep my country safe from future enemys. I try my best to make sure other people are happy, to make there life happy. I'm happy when they're happy. See?

We weren't put on this earth to just eat, mate, and die. There is a reason behind being here on earth.

We all have a part, and only have one. Make the best of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 17:34:32
That is a huge reason to live their too, That is like someone giving their life to charity, I totally agree with that too, I always thought of going to the mititary, I know a couple people that have gone too. What I want to do out of high school goes into a complete different direction but I still have a couple years to think about it. Props to Choerdius
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 17:44:05
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That is a huge reason to live their too, That is like someone giving their life to charity, I totally agree with that too, I always thought of going to the mititary, I know a couple people that have gone too.  What I want to do out of high school goes into a complete different direction but I still have a couple years to think about it.  Props to Choerdius
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That's what I always thought of when I was going through boot camp. I always looked at it as if I was giving my life to save over a million lives. I have to say, if you join the military your life will be set. I mean, you don't have to go into war, you can join different parts of the military. I myself joined the U.S.M.C. and wen't into Iraq the 3 months I was there.

So, good luck!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 17:47:25
You went to Iraq, thats so kool, was it scary ot a lot different, were you like a militia or like a medic, or whatever? How many uears were you in it, dont you get like free schooling or a lot paid of you college or something big after.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 17:56:03
Yes, I wen't to Iraq for about a year. I was actually in a squad named "101st in Iraq". It was a group of 20 soldiers and we were the ones out there laying C4 charges and mines.

So yeah, it was quite an experience but it was all fun. Although in the military you get all these benefits:

Job Training
Education Assistance: Up to $50,000
Tuition Help
College Programs
Pay, Allowances, and Promotions
Free Health Care
Paid Vacation
Retirement
Life Insurance
VA Benefits
Thrift Savings Plan
Other Lifestyle Benefits
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 18:01:07
Do you get any money, like how you would get in a job from going to the military, or is that just made when you do jobs around the place where you study to go to the miltary?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 18:06:30
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Currently, the military compensation system has over 70 separate types of pay and allowances -- that's a lot to keep track of.

Annual military pay raises are linked to the increase in civilian wages. Current laws governing annual pay raises guarantee that military pay will be at least one-half percent above civilian average pay increases, as measured by the Employment Cost Index (ECI), through 2006. Military pay raises may exceed these automatic levels if authorized and funded by Congress.

http://www.military.com/ContentFiles/Pay.htm

All in all, it depends how much time you spend in the military. Once you get out you recieve a check. Although when you are in the military, they par for your house and the bills for your house. And you can live on the military base and just stay there and when they need you they send out an MP to get you if you don't have any transportation.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 18:12:58
SO you get one big, honkin check when you leave after like 4 or whatever years, What is it like $100,000 or something then if they pay for your housing it must be like $50,000 or less
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 18:49:54
I'm pretty sure it's $5000.00 every 5 months. So every month they add $1000.00. So when you retire out of the military you're basically set for life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 18:58:04
Thats kool, thanks for the info, I heard that they are really looking for a lot more people to join, Numbers have gone down from people not joining because of the war. I will think about joining!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 19:03:24
Yeah the numbers dropped alot. If they need soldiers they will just force the men of the family to join.

Good luck!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp(U) on 2006-06-03 at 19:05:54
I'm still alive because... I have interests. Simply put. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-03 at 19:18:29
Theres someone whos life isnt worth anything, lol..j/k Mp(U)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp(U) on 2006-06-03 at 19:22:53
What? Why? haha yea 7-7 FUNNY GUY! laugh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp(U) on 2006-06-03 at 19:57:28
I believe i am here because of science.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-03 at 20:41:57
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God has a place in my life. When I'm feeling scared, I think of God and then I feel better. I feel guilty, I can repent. And then I'm in trouble, I dont go and start blaming somebody. Instead, I ask God for help. My life is opposite of what would've happened if i neven knew him.
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If I feel scared I face my fears. If I feel guilty its because I did something wrong; I can understand that and work through it. I personally dont need help to work through my problems, and if I do I ask someone (someone real) close to me. God just isn't needed.

i understand you believe God is real.. i dont soo just dont point that out
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-06-03 at 20:57:34
Wilhelm: You've just conceded. By saying you're an atheist based on faith, there is nothing left to argue. Not suprisingly, I already said this in my last post (if you had read).

DeadlyInnocence:
1. Just because the word "god" is invented by man does not mean a being cannot exist.

2. I'm not arguing for religion.

3. I'm not arguing for religion.

4. There are a lot of things not proven in the world. You still believe them. Refer to post #11.

l)ark_13:
Why do you say so? Have you met him?

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Just because you don't need him doesn't mean he can't exist. Sure, you might have you own ways of coping. Then again, when did I say he must be there for you as a way to cope? I'm simply asking for why you deny the existance outright.

Neiji:
Stop talking about a certain religion. This is not a religious discussion.

Mp(U):
I respect that, but why? You never actually stated your personal beliefs about god so I can't say anything beyond that.


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This is very sad. None of you have been able to provide any solid reasoning for why you're atheist. The posts I read confirms my suspicion that most of you are atheist because it's "cool"; you don't actually know why you are except it seems "logical" (and yet, you cannot show me that logic!).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-06-03 at 21:14:57
I think I'm becoming a broken record, but I believe that God is just another term for anything we do not know. Think of it as a synonym. I don't care for religion because religion usually says that unless you follow our beliefs, you're going to Hell. That just doesn't seem fair. Why would a God make us so different, but want us to be the same religion? For that reason, I look at religious text and create synonyms into scientific text. I don't think there is much reason to argue about these things. It doesn't matter if aethiests somehow disprove God, the religious will continue their faith and keep combatting against aethiests.

I'm agnostic, but if I were aethiest, these would be the reasons:
-I would never hear of religion.
-I would only learn about science.
-I would be sick of my parent's teachings.
-I would be protesting religious groups.

I'm agnostic because there's possibility, and I believe there will forever be possibility that a God exists.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-06-03 at 21:44:13
Because there is no logic behind a god.
I am a nice funny guy. I don't make fun of people, I don't pick on people.

I have to help someone if they are feeling down, I have to.
I am a nice person who only wants to do what is best. I feel guilt and everything.

I am a fun, nice, smart, pleasant, guy.

And who cares if I believe in god? I was brought up to believe in god and I went to CCD then I had a choice.

What did I choose?

I chose that I would rather seek for the truth than believe in something that I was told to "just because". That is what science is all about, to seek. It cannot answer everything right now, but the purpose of it is to one day answer everything. I may not live for that day and maybe no one will but it's worth my time.

Believing in god dosn't make you a good person. Following certain parts of the bible or Koran can. You shouldn't be nice just so you can get into "heaven". You should be nice because you want to be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-03 at 22:07:35
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Isn't saying "There is no god" logically equivalent to saying "There is a god"?

Where did you learn logic?

Let's talk about the standard of reasonability:
A hypothesis is reasonable only if it is testable, that is, only if it predicts something other than what it was introduced to explain.
Other things being equal, the most reasonable hypothesis is the one that is the most fruitful, that is, makes the most novel predictions.
Other things being equal, the most reasonable hypothesis is the one that has the greatest scope, that is, that explains and predicts the most diverse phenomena.
Other things being equal, the most reasonable hypothesis is the simplest one, that is, the one that makes the fewest assumptions.
Other things being equal, the most reasonable hypothesis is the one that is the most conservative, that is, the one that fits best with established (scientific) beliefs.
We should accept an extraordinary hypothesis only if no ordinary one will do.

Belief in God not only is untestable, but in fact defines God based on faith, and therefore defies testing. (see Babel Fish).
Do events around the world comply with what we could expect if there were a God (especially a benevolent one)?
How many assumptions does belief in God require, compared to disbelief?
Which belief flies in the face of more well-established scientific knowledge?

Most people who call themselves agnostic mean that they don't feel there's enough information to make a decision as to whether or not God exists (frequently because their making an fallacy; thinking that because it hasn't been disproven that it must be worth consideration. Under the standards of reasonability I went over before, it's clear that god-belief is quite unreasonable. Believing in God doesn't profit you anything intellectually; in actuality, it creates cognitive dissonances which prevent fruitful intellectual thought.

Once we come to the conclusion that belief in God is unreasonable, we can discount it and begin the pursuit for reasonable explanations for the things around us. That's why I don't believe in a god: because you can't learn anything that way.

As for why I (and other atheists like me) argue the point with theists: first, it is to help establish and solidify our own beliefs, by forcing us to defent--and thus think about--them; second, it is because of what we call "positive atheism," the belief that theism is morally, intellectually, and socially destructive to humanity. Think about how many wars have been fought over religion. And while 10% of americans profess no religious belief, only 1% of prison inmates do. When was the last time an atheist bombed a clinic or hijacked an airplaine?

I think that should just about do it for now.

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Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-06-03 at 22:08:43
Cheeze, you put a good argument... but the last statement you said seems as if you want to be tried to be persuaded by atheists. Why else would you be dissappointed by the athiests?

Because god is a man invented term, we have no proof that god exists. Because we have no proof, I shall not believe in something that is not scientifically proven.


Not to mention god plays no role in my life. He is irrelevant to my life.


Think of the religion in this way. Science and religion can not be mixed together. Science is based on statistical facts and experiments to prove or disprove reality and pseudoreality. Religion, on the other hand, is based strictly on how one believes in faith. Nothing more. Religion cannot be proved by scientific means as science cannot be proven by religions means.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-06-03 at 22:41:15
lol

sorta.

A's and B's. sorta some sort of combo. i'm like a straight straight bend straight student.

The person below me is a c student.
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