Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 22:16:59
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It is right to kill another human?
Did you read what we just posted?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-05 at 22:22:08
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We all know the death penalty on the electric chair, that "offered" a very painful death for it's victim.
1) Is it moral to kill even the worst criminal with such a method ?
2) Why do you think we (human kind) needed such a way of killing criminals ?
3) Do you think that suffering infront of the spectators is humiliating ?
4) Do you think death is enough for the convict, or he/she must die a painfully ?
5) And finally: is life behind the bars better than death ?
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1) Is it moral to kill even the worst criminal with such a method ?
2) Why do you think we (human kind) needed such a way of killing criminals ?
3) Do you think that suffering infront of the spectators is humiliating ?
4) Do you think death is enough for the convict, or he/she must die a painfully ?
5) And finally: is life behind the bars better than death ?
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1. Yes, I believe if a criminal mudered someone, they should get executed the same exact way.
2. Because we are always trying new things to do an execution, and everytime they get more less painfull.
3. No, I don't think it's funny to be executed infront of spectators, and I'm sure they don't think it's funny.
4. It depends, if they were to muder someone then they should die the same exact way they killed the person. Although if they didn't murder anyone, they shouldn't even be executed. Just life in prison is enough punishment.
5. In my opinion, no life behind bars is worst then death. You got to share a cell with 2-6 other people with one toilet. You have to do your business infront of them for the rest of your life. And you only get to see daylight for a half hour and you get to walk around for an hour. I'd rather be dead.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-05 at 22:26:30
This is stolen text and I don't think it should be seen by the public here (and hopefully not there!) -CheeZe
What does the SEN Community think of the Law of Attraction?
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?p=100727
What does the SEN Community think of the Law of Attraction?
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Do you think its real? Do you have any experiences with it? Do you even know what it is?
It has become more popularized recently it seems in large part because of "The Secret," A DVD film that can be purchase or viewed through pay per view online - which is where I first heard of this.
Basically, assuming I understood it well enough, the Law of Attraction supposedly is the fact that your mental thoughts can manifest and influence the universe. It says that your thoughts aren't merely thoughts that only exist in your brain, but have an outward effect on the world, and that you can Attract things to happen to yourself by thinking and feeling about them in certain ways.
I am a skeptic in pretty much everything that seems unusual, for lack of a better word, so I do not exactly what to think of it. While watching the film I was trying to gauge whether this is some sort of propaganda or manipulation of some sort but at the end I couldn't really find anything that made me think, 'Aha! now I see your dirty plan.' I figured that even if the Law of Attraction isnt real, thinking optimistically (which is in a nutshell what it preaches) wouldnt hurt regardless of it being real or not.
The scenarios they gave as proof that the Law has worked in people's lives, albiet seeminly too bizarre to be true often, seem to take years for that manifestation to come to full effect. I dont have that much time to speculate on this idea, so I tried to do what they said on a few short-term things. And... very oddly enough (and kinda scary), many of the times I tried it... it worked.
They emphasize that 'there are NO coincidences.'
I am a college student but I earn my living while a student as a pizza delivery driver. It brings in some decent money, but tips can sometimes suck. I decided to perhaps try what they said about the 'Law of Attraction' on a few deliveries to see if I could manifest something in the universe to get larger tips (Something silly enough that I would only admit in relative anonymity). First, although the film said you wont really manifest your thoughts exactly, I tried at first a very specific number and wanted to see if I would get that much as a tip in my next delivery. On the way to the place, I thought about receiving $3.42 as a tip. I 'felt' the money go into my hand and myself possessing it (which is what they say to do basically). Although tips in delivering areas vary fairly widely it seems, $2 and less seems to be the average tip in my area (sadly), so $3.42 is a really nice tip, and not at all a number to be expected too often. I deliver the pizza and when I count out the tip, I did not have $3.42... but errily the tip I did get was $2.34, a number that contains ALL of the digits of the number I just recently was thinking about. They said your 'manifestations' may not materialize exactly as you thought, but they would be close. This was very close to the number I was thinking about in a way... was it a coincidence? The film said there were no coincidences?
However, I am of course still skeptical, but a little intrigued.
I decide to try it a few more times on a few more deliveries, but using more likely numbers, and rounded ones. I try to manifest a $3 tip, or a $4 tip. Sometimes it comes close, sometimes it was right on the mark, sometimes it falls way short. Nothing that would boost my feeling like the first time I tried it.
Nonetheless, I wanted a bigger test. I decided to try to manifest a number for a tip was seemed so unreasonable that it would be very difficult to occur on its own. I decided to try to manifest myself coming back to the pizza store with $8 in tips from 2 deliveries I was taking on the same time. $8 is quite a lot of tip for 2 deliveries, especially considering the part of town I would be delivering to. I felt the $8 in my hand and tried to think about it happening, though in the back of my head I was saying, 'Ya right, this is where you can stop thinking about this garbage and feel comfortable that it is junk.' A $4 tip is nice, getting it twice in a row is really far fetched where I live. I deliver to the first house and all I get is a dollar and some change - thats it, the manifestation was pure BUNK! I would need at least 7 dollars (or a little less) from the next house to hit my $8 mark, and this was in an apartment that usually doesnt tip nearly extraordinarily. Much to my amazement, as you all probably guessed, their pizza total was $28 and some change, they gave me 35 $1 bills. I couldn't believe it. I was heading back to the pizza store with $8 and some change in tips, and the oddest thing to me was that the last delivery was given to me in all 1 dollar bills. That was the only time that night I got 8 dollars in tips... so its less likely I just guessed a number that happens multiple times a night. They could have easily taken 1 bill out, or 2 or 3 or more, but no. They for some reason decided to give me exactly 35 bills. Not 34 or 36, but 35 - the exact number I needed to reach the $8 mark that I tried to manifest with my thoughts.
I am still very skeptical, but those were some kinda freaky ocurrances. Where they coincidences? Or was it the Law of Attraction in action?
What do you guys think? I am still skeptical, but much more interesting.
It has become more popularized recently it seems in large part because of "The Secret," A DVD film that can be purchase or viewed through pay per view online - which is where I first heard of this.
Basically, assuming I understood it well enough, the Law of Attraction supposedly is the fact that your mental thoughts can manifest and influence the universe. It says that your thoughts aren't merely thoughts that only exist in your brain, but have an outward effect on the world, and that you can Attract things to happen to yourself by thinking and feeling about them in certain ways.
I am a skeptic in pretty much everything that seems unusual, for lack of a better word, so I do not exactly what to think of it. While watching the film I was trying to gauge whether this is some sort of propaganda or manipulation of some sort but at the end I couldn't really find anything that made me think, 'Aha! now I see your dirty plan.' I figured that even if the Law of Attraction isnt real, thinking optimistically (which is in a nutshell what it preaches) wouldnt hurt regardless of it being real or not.
The scenarios they gave as proof that the Law has worked in people's lives, albiet seeminly too bizarre to be true often, seem to take years for that manifestation to come to full effect. I dont have that much time to speculate on this idea, so I tried to do what they said on a few short-term things. And... very oddly enough (and kinda scary), many of the times I tried it... it worked.
They emphasize that 'there are NO coincidences.'
I am a college student but I earn my living while a student as a pizza delivery driver. It brings in some decent money, but tips can sometimes suck. I decided to perhaps try what they said about the 'Law of Attraction' on a few deliveries to see if I could manifest something in the universe to get larger tips (Something silly enough that I would only admit in relative anonymity). First, although the film said you wont really manifest your thoughts exactly, I tried at first a very specific number and wanted to see if I would get that much as a tip in my next delivery. On the way to the place, I thought about receiving $3.42 as a tip. I 'felt' the money go into my hand and myself possessing it (which is what they say to do basically). Although tips in delivering areas vary fairly widely it seems, $2 and less seems to be the average tip in my area (sadly), so $3.42 is a really nice tip, and not at all a number to be expected too often. I deliver the pizza and when I count out the tip, I did not have $3.42... but errily the tip I did get was $2.34, a number that contains ALL of the digits of the number I just recently was thinking about. They said your 'manifestations' may not materialize exactly as you thought, but they would be close. This was very close to the number I was thinking about in a way... was it a coincidence? The film said there were no coincidences?
However, I am of course still skeptical, but a little intrigued.
I decide to try it a few more times on a few more deliveries, but using more likely numbers, and rounded ones. I try to manifest a $3 tip, or a $4 tip. Sometimes it comes close, sometimes it was right on the mark, sometimes it falls way short. Nothing that would boost my feeling like the first time I tried it.
Nonetheless, I wanted a bigger test. I decided to try to manifest a number for a tip was seemed so unreasonable that it would be very difficult to occur on its own. I decided to try to manifest myself coming back to the pizza store with $8 in tips from 2 deliveries I was taking on the same time. $8 is quite a lot of tip for 2 deliveries, especially considering the part of town I would be delivering to. I felt the $8 in my hand and tried to think about it happening, though in the back of my head I was saying, 'Ya right, this is where you can stop thinking about this garbage and feel comfortable that it is junk.' A $4 tip is nice, getting it twice in a row is really far fetched where I live. I deliver to the first house and all I get is a dollar and some change - thats it, the manifestation was pure BUNK! I would need at least 7 dollars (or a little less) from the next house to hit my $8 mark, and this was in an apartment that usually doesnt tip nearly extraordinarily. Much to my amazement, as you all probably guessed, their pizza total was $28 and some change, they gave me 35 $1 bills. I couldn't believe it. I was heading back to the pizza store with $8 and some change in tips, and the oddest thing to me was that the last delivery was given to me in all 1 dollar bills. That was the only time that night I got 8 dollars in tips... so its less likely I just guessed a number that happens multiple times a night. They could have easily taken 1 bill out, or 2 or 3 or more, but no. They for some reason decided to give me exactly 35 bills. Not 34 or 36, but 35 - the exact number I needed to reach the $8 mark that I tried to manifest with my thoughts.
I am still very skeptical, but those were some kinda freaky ocurrances. Where they coincidences? Or was it the Law of Attraction in action?
What do you guys think? I am still skeptical, but much more interesting.
http://forums.armageddononline.org/showthread.php?p=100727
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-05 at 22:33:37
Basically I didn't read your whole post cause Im lazy but I now know what the law of attraction is. 
i dont know weather its true or not, but i actually believe it
thoughts can manifest into actions and other thoughts.
example: if you think about eating cake you may bake one thus causing an unthinkable amount of affects. one branch -> out of eggs, go to the store to buy some more eggs, pay for eggs, farmer is then paid, continues to produce eggs, more chickens bought with more money, company expanded... this is just one possibility
also, thoughts, when told to others, can have profound affects. tell someone you love them may lead them to rethink situation, dump bf's/gf's, comit suicide (iunno why), hate you. depends.
its like the theory of chaos, one thing leads to another
the beat of a butterfly's wings turns into a typhoon 12000 miles away...
i dont know weather its true or not, but i actually believe it
thoughts can manifest into actions and other thoughts.
example: if you think about eating cake you may bake one thus causing an unthinkable amount of affects. one branch -> out of eggs, go to the store to buy some more eggs, pay for eggs, farmer is then paid, continues to produce eggs, more chickens bought with more money, company expanded... this is just one possibility
also, thoughts, when told to others, can have profound affects. tell someone you love them may lead them to rethink situation, dump bf's/gf's, comit suicide (iunno why), hate you. depends.
its like the theory of chaos, one thing leads to another
the beat of a butterfly's wings turns into a typhoon 12000 miles away...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by RexyRex on 2006-06-05 at 22:33:44
I believe that there are ONLY coincidences. The opposite of what you're thinking. Why? Because there's no proof on your side. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 22:36:33
If a person was born for the good of science, and they knew that since their birth, they wouldn't disagree with it and would probably side with it due to that fact that their minds would be so impressionable (like ours when we were children). So therefore it wouldn't be sinister to them. Eg. if someone was brought up by a Christian family, they will learn Christian values and unless someone showed them evidence against the Christian ways chances are they would be influence by their parents and be happy to side with the Christian ways. So as long as it's not torturing the clone, it doesn't really matter what we think does it? After all they are they own people like some of you say, so what gives you the right to have a say in what their lives should be like if they already want their lives to be devoted for the good of science?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 22:43:49
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I believe that there are ONLY coincidences. The opposite of what you're thinking. Why? Because there's no proof on your side.
What proof is there on the other side? There is none, it's basically you flip a coin and believe one or the other, because there is no way to find out if they exists or not. Actually there is a way, I, Jet_blast54 will find out right here and right now because I really pwn!So basically you are saying that if you think something, it will happen because that's what you thought would happen, and you thought that I would post this and then you thought that you didn't know that you thought that I posted this. However, if that were true then that would mean that you thought that we were thinking about what you were thinking, and there is no way to find that out, or is there? If you thought that I would make "tihs" spelling mistake then it must be true because I did didn't I? However I am going to do a little experiment, in exactly 5 minutes I will edit this post and change the spelling mistake to the correct word. It may not make sense now, but it will later.
As you can see, five minutes have passed and I have not changed the misspelled word, however I know that you were anticipating the change of the word because I gave no hints that I wouldn't change the word, therefore you truly believed that I was going to change the word am I right? But, it didn't happen, so apparantly this theory is wrong.
That video you have there is just another phsyco flat Earth society piece of trash.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-05 at 22:46:15
I've tried the law of attraction type of living once. I did not fare well, in truth everything that I want to happen, and visulize doesn't happen in reality but the exact opposite does...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 22:48:03
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I've tried the law of attraction type of living once. I did not fare well, in truth everything that I want to happen, and visulize doesn't happen in reality but the exact opposite does...
You can't really use that as an example, because that might have meant that you were anticipating that this would fail and therefore you weren't truly feeling that something good would happen and did not genuinely believe in it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-05 at 22:51:04
Oh no, I actually believed that I would get what ever I was wishing for or whatever, but then the exact opposite happened, after many weeks of doing this did I look back and actually see that the exact opposite happened.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 22:52:01
anyways it's wrong, so you don't need to worry about it anymore. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cole on 2006-06-05 at 22:55:21
Buddism has no direct god, but the point of it is to become one with the "spirit" and if you so wish to you could interpet spirit as a god.
Buddism is about self disicpline and only taking what you need.
Hinduism, they have a god of water, sun, everything. It originated in Inda, who btw were the first people to have running water. 6000 years ago, they had running water.
Science is nothing but Logic and Reason. It is not a religion. I do to want to imply that you were implying that science is a religion Jet. But basically if you were to read that, you should read it as "Then in that case, I believe in Logic and Reason", I just think it sounds better.
Buddism is about self disicpline and only taking what you need.
Hinduism, they have a god of water, sun, everything. It originated in Inda, who btw were the first people to have running water. 6000 years ago, they had running water.
Science is nothing but Logic and Reason. It is not a religion. I do to want to imply that you were implying that science is a religion Jet. But basically if you were to read that, you should read it as "Then in that case, I believe in Logic and Reason", I just think it sounds better.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-05 at 23:26:28
Yep, thats exactly what they are diong I mean I can't go 10 miles with out seeing an arab concentration camp.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sie_Sayoka on 2006-06-05 at 23:30:41
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Would you want the criminal who killed your entire family to suffer by death penalty, or just sit at the jail probably hangin around with his buddy?
Buddy as in bubba and by bubba you mean the molester XD
Prison also has its downsides and sadly your bottom takes full force of it
do not drop the soap
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-05 at 23:31:33
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 5 2006, 04:38 PM)
Hard working people? No check
Best government? No check
A lot of money? Two no checks
Horrible idea to rule the world? Check
Horrible president? Check
Oh yes, that's right, we just produce the material here in America, send it to China, assemble it, send it back to America, and distribute it right? That makes perfect sense, really.
Dood leik Iraq is dumb lol we rulez Iraq because they are bad terrorists LAWL! dude wtf we Pwn Iraq so why don't we just liek, Kill everyone there with liek some nukes and then there will be no more terrorists! ok so some pplz will die but there will be no more terrorists! lawl! not like that matters because we also killed the people that the terrorists oppressed! Lawl! We would kill two birdz with one stoen!
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Best government? No check
A lot of money? Two no checks
Horrible idea to rule the world? Check
Horrible president? Check
Oh yes, that's right, we just produce the material here in America, send it to China, assemble it, send it back to America, and distribute it right? That makes perfect sense, really.
Dood leik Iraq is dumb lol we rulez Iraq because they are bad terrorists LAWL! dude wtf we Pwn Iraq so why don't we just liek, Kill everyone there with liek some nukes and then there will be no more terrorists! ok so some pplz will die but there will be no more terrorists! lawl! not like that matters because we also killed the people that the terrorists oppressed! Lawl! We would kill two birdz with one stoen!
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Economic knowledge? No check.
Understanding of what I was saying? No check.
Understanding of what he ment by best government? No check.
Understanding of the Americans who are hard working? No check.
No understanding of the current debate? Check.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-05 at 23:35:23
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QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 5 2006, 04:38 PM)
Hard working people? No check
Best government? No check
A lot of money? Two no checks
Horrible idea to rule the world? Check
Horrible president? Check
Oh yes, that's right, we just produce the material here in America, send it to China, assemble it, send it back to America, and distribute it right? That makes perfect sense, really.
Dood leik Iraq is dumb lol we rulez Iraq because they are bad terrorists LAWL! dude wtf we Pwn Iraq so why don't we just liek, Kill everyone there with liek some nukes and then there will be no more terrorists! ok so some pplz will die but there will be no more terrorists! lawl! not like that matters because we also killed the people that the terrorists oppressed! Lawl! We would kill two birdz with one stoen!
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Economic knowledge? No check.
Understanding of what I was saying? No check.
Understanding of what he ment by best government? No check.
Understanding of the Americans who are hard working? No check.
No understanding of the current debate? Check.
Not knowing that he posted that before all the conversationa abotu what everyone actually meant? check.
Copying my reply and making it redundant? Check
And I understood perfectly what you are saying, the American companies are sending the material to us, so technically it's not from China right? Wrong. The product is obviously made in China and uses material from China, so therefore regardless of what company makes it, it is still a Chinese product. Unless of course for no apparant reason America sends the product to China to be manufactured and then sends it back, which would be.. A waste of money?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-05 at 23:43:48
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 5 2006, 07:35 PM)
Not knowing that he posted that before all the conversationa abotu what everyone actually meant? check.
Copying my reply and making it redundant? Check
And I understood perfectly what you are saying, the American companies are sending the material to us, so technically it's not from China right? Wrong. The product is obviously made in China and uses material from China, so therefore regardless of what company makes it, it is still a Chinese product. Unless of course for no apparant reason America sends the product to China to be manufactured and then sends it back, which would be.. A waste of money?
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Copying my reply and making it redundant? Check
And I understood perfectly what you are saying, the American companies are sending the material to us, so technically it's not from China right? Wrong. The product is obviously made in China and uses material from China, so therefore regardless of what company makes it, it is still a Chinese product. Unless of course for no apparant reason America sends the product to China to be manufactured and then sends it back, which would be.. A waste of money?
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Ever read fast food nation?
Probably not. Read it and then you will see where I am coming from....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-05 at 23:59:02
Jet Im not sure its just predicting things would happen...
I mean when playing football as a running back in my expirience is the coach will tell me to think about my upcoming run and imagine my self running it and scoring a touch down and hey! It works for me.
I mean when playing football as a running back in my expirience is the coach will tell me to think about my upcoming run and imagine my self running it and scoring a touch down and hey! It works for me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-05 at 23:59:45
Don't you ever post on topic?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by @:@ on 2006-06-06 at 02:28:05
QUOTE(Kellimus @ May 10 2006, 08:52 PM)
We are "rebuilding Iraq" by establishing a Democracy there for cheap Oil.
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Thank god, tired of paying $3.00 / gal
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-06-06 at 06:46:49
I think that your occurance is rather strange, but nevertheless scientifically false. No one can hear your thoughts. They are hidden everywhere. Now, it doesn't make sense that only we get the benefit now, doesn't it? Because our feelings are not released, it doesn't make a difference in what happens.
I mean just because I wish I win lottery every time i buy lottery tickets doesn't mean I have any higher chance of actually winning the lottery.
I think your stories were rather coincidence...
I mean just because I wish I win lottery every time i buy lottery tickets doesn't mean I have any higher chance of actually winning the lottery.
I think your stories were rather coincidence...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-06 at 11:29:04
QUOTE(Centreri @ Jun 3 2006, 08:39 AM)
Then what created the first something?
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The Universe created God. That is what I believe.
QUOTE(MasterJohnny @ Jun 4 2006, 11:38 PM)
i am athestic because i am above the influence...i will not have religious things cloud my judgement
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Did you read the thread at all? Religion != Athiesm.
QUOTE(DeadlyInnocence @ Jun 5 2006, 06:29 PM)
Just because you don't believe in christian god doesn't mean it is the same "god" as the one of Hinduism, which i believe is mainly Brahma.
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It's Vishnu... Not Brahma..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Toothfariy on 2006-06-06 at 11:39:47
imgine if prison was co-ed...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-06-06 at 12:45:48
They're much better at hiding them in this day and age 
I mean I can't say I know where you live, but I doubt it's in Cuba.
I mean I can't say I know where you live, but I doubt it's in Cuba.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-06 at 13:03:31
I dont know why, but I dont really believe in the death penalty. It is so short and maybe painful for the couple seconds that it does. I think it would be worse to get a life sentance than to get the death penalty. I mean who wants to sit in a jail cell for the 60 years they are still alive? Not me! I would rather be killed! Anyone else agree with me?