Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-06 at 19:08:46
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 5 2006, 08:28 PM)
1. yes.
2. chopping heads was too messy.
3. yes.
4. painfully.
5. no.
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N20, if you believe that we have no right to kill another human being, that justifies the use of the electric chair. If we didn't use the electric chair, the murderers would be out there murdering even more people. Therefore we would technically be killing more people than we would if we used the chairs.
Mill Army, I understand what you are getting at, but murderers shouldn't be shown mercy of all people. Murderers not only kill the victim, but cause pain for friends and family, who cares about the murderer's feelings? To hell with their feelings, it's their fault they killed. Not only this, but it also sends a message to all the other murderers out there that says in bright flashing letters: STOP KILLING, WE MEAN BUSINESS NOW.
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2. chopping heads was too messy.
3. yes.
4. painfully.
5. no.
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N20, if you believe that we have no right to kill another human being, that justifies the use of the electric chair. If we didn't use the electric chair, the murderers would be out there murdering even more people. Therefore we would technically be killing more people than we would if we used the chairs.
Mill Army, I understand what you are getting at, but murderers shouldn't be shown mercy of all people. Murderers not only kill the victim, but cause pain for friends and family, who cares about the murderer's feelings? To hell with their feelings, it's their fault they killed. Not only this, but it also sends a message to all the other murderers out there that says in bright flashing letters: STOP KILLING, WE MEAN BUSINESS NOW.
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didnt see this last time because you had the ------------------- and it looked like it was part of your sig when i was skimming.
If you don't kill them they get life in prison. They cant do much damage in there. Does the electric chair cause pain? if it does it is stupid. If their has to be a death penalty it should be non-painful.
QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 5 2006, 09:16 PM)
Did you read what we just posted?
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QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 6 2006, 04:49 PM)
N20 you don't even read what we say and you simply repeat your first argument over and over without responding to the arguments posted against yours, this isn't a place to preach your opinion oh holy opinion to everyone and simply leave. It's a place to have debates about what is wrong and right, and you simply aren't listening to anyone else.
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I didnt see your first argument and you are the only person to debate with me. Noone said anything before. I'm not preaching any opinion i didnt say i was for or against it. So don't yell at me. (plus you cant tell me to leave a thread -_-
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-06 at 19:20:05
retrospect is [sup]20[/sup]/[sub]20[/sub] it was either that chopping or hanging them. People were mortified more easily back then; I mean they killed people for raping women. Now it's like 5-20 years or something. The liberal group had more immediate problems during that time then to protect murderers.
My opinion? hmm, its a tough call but I say we should keep them alive in prison for life without parole, and take away a lot of the privilages in the prison (TV, workout equipment etc...)
My opinion? hmm, its a tough call but I say we should keep them alive in prison for life without parole, and take away a lot of the privilages in the prison (TV, workout equipment etc...)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 19:25:09
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August 6, 1890 saw the first ever electric execution of a human being. The history maker was William Kemmler of Buffalo, New York. Kemmler was guilty of butchering his mistress with a hatchet. A group of doctors and reporters gathered for the historic occasion. Kemmler was jolted for seventeen seconds. It failed to kill him. The embarrassed prison officials electrocuted him again for seventy seconds. Kemmler thrashed and convulsed as the electrodes seared his head and arms, filling the room with the smell of burning flesh. Some witness fainted, while others fled the room. The killing took eight minutes.
Well, Wikipedia...
The first attempt at execution failed: Kemmler was shocked for 17 seconds, but remained alive. The voltage was increased to 2000 volts, but the generator needed time to charge up again. During this interval, the badly burnt Kemmler could be heard moaning. The second attempt lasted for over a minute and the scene was described by many present as gruesome, with a smell of burning flesh and smoke rising from Kemmler's head. Westinghouse later commented: "They would have done better using an axe." A reporter who witnessed it also said it was "an awful spectacle, far worse than hanging".
Eight minutes? I trust you more than Wikipedia. Not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-06 at 19:31:13
I hate Wikipedia. A lot of the stuff is fake. Proved it on the news. I say eye for an eye, you kill someone, you deserver to die, I don't care how.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-06 at 19:32:23
Be the most powerful man in the world? Good luck with that. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 19:53:07
QUOTE(Pyro_Maniak14 @ Jun 6 2006, 06:30 PM)
I hate Wikipedia. A lot of the stuff is fake. Proved it on the news. I say eye for an eye, you kill someone, you deserver to die, I don't care how.
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Your brakes on your car go out going down a steeply inclinded hill and there's a little girl chasing a ball out onto the road. You can't stop or turn away fast enough so you end up killing the little girl. Do you deserve to die?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-06 at 19:58:41
I don't think thats what he meant moonrocks when he said "You kill someone, you deserve to die," but then again he might. Still the moment I read that I thought "Your really reaching there moonrocks."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-06-06 at 20:08:48
It wasn't purposely done.
And n2o, I do not agree with people being murdered, unless they do something worthy of being murdered, such as rape and murder themselves. But you don't get the death penalty for doing nothing.(Not even sure if you get the death penalty at all anymore
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And n2o, I do not agree with people being murdered, unless they do something worthy of being murdered, such as rape and murder themselves. But you don't get the death penalty for doing nothing.(Not even sure if you get the death penalty at all anymore
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Your brakes on your car go out going down a steeply inclinded hill and there's a little girl chasing a ball out onto the road. You can't stop or turn away fast enough so you end up killing the little girl. Do you deserve to die?
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yea if its accedental manslaughter then you dont derserve death. if there was truly nothing you could have done about it then you dont. there is a level of guilt that should be there and is a big enough sentense if you ask me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 20:29:19
Same with self defense though too? Or killing someone that already commited murder but didn't get himself caught yet? Do they die?
What did you mean by that?
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I don't think thats what he meant moonrocks when he said "You kill someone, you deserve to die," but then again he might. Still the moment I read that I thought "Your really reaching there moonrocks."
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What did you mean by that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-06 at 20:31:15
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Your brakes on your car go out going down a steeply inclinded hill and there's a little girl chasing a ball out onto the road. You can't stop or turn away fast enough so you end up killing the little girl. Do you deserve to die?
That is called manslaughter and doesn't get you life sentence, so I don't see your point.
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If you don't kill them they get life in prison. They cant do much damage in there. Does the electric chair cause pain? if it does it is stupid. If their has to be a death penalty it should be non-painful.
Life in prison is hell, so since you are so humanitarian shouldn't you be against it? I would rather fry for a few seconds than spend the rest of my life locked with Child rapists and serial killers. Anyways why would you want it not to be painful? There is absolutely no reason to give murderers the gift of a painless death, not only is it expensive, but it is merciful to them. Merciful to murderers, and didn't you say that no one has the right to murder anyone? Why not punish them for doing such a thing?
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Noone said anything before. I'm not preaching any opinion i didnt say i was for or against it. So don't yell at me. (plus you cant tell me to leave a thread -_-
Oh and I didn't tell you to leave.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-06 at 20:32:35
That your really reaching to make pyro change his mind or prove him wrong or whatever.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 20:36:26
Oh. I didn't know what you meant. Plus, I wasn't really just trying to prove him wrong or nothing, I usually don't try that stuff. My plans usually turn on me real quick.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-06-06 at 20:40:51
The electric chair was first created (Or ideaed) by Thomas Edison. His competition in the whole Electricty thing was more dangerous then his method, but easier to build factories etc. since the method could reach father then Edison's. Edison was contacted by someone asking to invent a device for people on Death Row who will be killed instantly without pain. Edison was determined to show how dangerous the newer electricy method was, so he "made" the electric chair. It was made and tested on this guy, and failed. Edison got a lot of bad reputation from that.
If I remember correctly from the Biography on Thomas Edison.
If I remember correctly from the Biography on Thomas Edison.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 20:51:08
QUOTE(Golden-Fist @ Jun 6 2006, 07:40 PM)
The electric chair was first created (Or ideaed) by Thomas Edison. His competition in the whole Electricty thing was more dangerous then his method, but easier to build factories etc. since the method could reach father then Edison's. Edison was contacted by someone asking to invent a device for people on Death Row who will be killed instantly without pain. Edison was determined to show how dangerous the newer electricy method was, so he "made" the electric chair. It was made and tested on this guy, and failed. Edison got a lot of bad reputation from that.
If I remember correctly from the Biography on Thomas Edison.
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If I remember correctly from the Biography on Thomas Edison.
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Death Row?
I just read basically all that from just looking on Wikipedia. He [Edison] was trying to gain support for his DC way of powering things and trying to be more popular and Tesla was trying to get people to use his AC way of powering things. Which is more efficient but not as powerful as DC.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-06 at 21:09:10
People say that the death penalty should not be allowed, that the worse penalty could be life in prison. But not everyone views it in the way I do! I'll give you a little idea, If we stop the death penalty and everyone that should have got it wil be kept in jail for about 60 years depending on how old they are and how long they'll live. But the United States is already having a space problem with the inmates already vacanting the jail cells, lets just put a little more in there for a little longer. That is everyone answer to stopping the death penalty. If we keep giving everyone the death penalty and people keep living longer and longer. Say the life expectancy is about 150. Everyone that gets the death penalty is in jail for over 100 years. We would need to have way more jails for the inmates to stay in and the population would be way up by then also. I think we should not only allow it but somehow make more people recieve this! If you think about it, its not that bad now! They just stick a needle in yu and within about 10 seconds boom your dead, just a little prick in the arm just like you got chicken pox vaccines and crap when your what, like 5 years old. I just dont agree with keeping people in jail for the rest of their life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-06 at 21:29:04
You know... A minimal amount of people are put to death in the death penalty each year. Death Row is a very, very slow process. The inmate room they're saving by executing people is less than a hundred a year, if that, me thinks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-06 at 21:30:02
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The electric chair is perhaps something that we take for granted for nowadays as the quickest
and most humane way of executing a human being. In the early days, however, the proponents of the use of electricity as a means of death had to prove that it was indeed the most proficient manner of execution. Chair inventor Harold Brown had applied for the chair's patent and, thus, set out on an campaign to prove its efficiency. Using a prototype, Brown demonstrated the chair's capabilities on more than fifty cats and dogs. The New York commission (which was the first state to consider the new invention) needed more convincing. Brown replied by killing a cow before a panel of advisors. He emphasized his chair's ability by killing a horse. The panel was impressed. On June 4, 1888, electrocution became a legal means of capital punishment.
The state knew that they would need public support behind the method. In order to win over the public they sent Brown on tour with his chair. Brown traveled the state executing animals in all of the major
population centers. Animals were recruited for the show as he went along. In Albany, Brown executed an orangutan. Its hair caught on fire. August 6, 1890 saw the first ever electric execution of a human being.
The history maker was William Kemmler of Buffalo, New York. Kemmler was guilty of butchering his mistress with a hatchet. A group of doctors and reporters gathered for the historic occasion. Kemmler was jolted for seventeen seconds. It failed to kill him. Kemmler was unconscious but still breathing. The embarrassed prison officials electrocuted him again for seventy seconds. Kemmler thrashed and convulsed as the electrodes seared his head and arms, filling the room with the smell of burning
flesh. Some witness fainted, while others fled the room. The killing took eight minutes.
While many critics rallied for the return of the gallows, New York remained faithful to the chair, executing two more criminals without incident. The most botched electric execution, however, was the fourth.
William Taylor was slated for execution on July 27, 1893. The first jolt of electricity caused his legs to stiffen with a force so great that they tore loose from the chair's ankle straps. Like Kemmler, Taylor was still alive. When the executioners attempted to send a second charge through Taylor's body it was discovered that the generator in the powerhouse had blown. Taylor was removed from the chair and placed on a cot. Officials kept him alive with chloroform and morphine so that he could be officially killed by an active current. An hour and nine minutes later Taylor was returned to the chair and given a more than adequate charge.
A 1903 execution at Sing Sing was the last reported botched electrocution. Fred Van Wormer was electrocuted and pronounced dead. Upon arrival to the autopsy room, however, Wormer began
breathing once again. The executioner, who had gone home, was called back to re-electrocute Wormer. Upon his return, Wormer had officially died. Nonetheless, Wormer's corpse was set into the chair
again and electrocuted with seventeen hundred volts for thirty seconds. He was the first dead man
to be electrocuted.
and most humane way of executing a human being. In the early days, however, the proponents of the use of electricity as a means of death had to prove that it was indeed the most proficient manner of execution. Chair inventor Harold Brown had applied for the chair's patent and, thus, set out on an campaign to prove its efficiency. Using a prototype, Brown demonstrated the chair's capabilities on more than fifty cats and dogs. The New York commission (which was the first state to consider the new invention) needed more convincing. Brown replied by killing a cow before a panel of advisors. He emphasized his chair's ability by killing a horse. The panel was impressed. On June 4, 1888, electrocution became a legal means of capital punishment.
The state knew that they would need public support behind the method. In order to win over the public they sent Brown on tour with his chair. Brown traveled the state executing animals in all of the major
population centers. Animals were recruited for the show as he went along. In Albany, Brown executed an orangutan. Its hair caught on fire. August 6, 1890 saw the first ever electric execution of a human being.
The history maker was William Kemmler of Buffalo, New York. Kemmler was guilty of butchering his mistress with a hatchet. A group of doctors and reporters gathered for the historic occasion. Kemmler was jolted for seventeen seconds. It failed to kill him. Kemmler was unconscious but still breathing. The embarrassed prison officials electrocuted him again for seventy seconds. Kemmler thrashed and convulsed as the electrodes seared his head and arms, filling the room with the smell of burning
flesh. Some witness fainted, while others fled the room. The killing took eight minutes.
While many critics rallied for the return of the gallows, New York remained faithful to the chair, executing two more criminals without incident. The most botched electric execution, however, was the fourth.
William Taylor was slated for execution on July 27, 1893. The first jolt of electricity caused his legs to stiffen with a force so great that they tore loose from the chair's ankle straps. Like Kemmler, Taylor was still alive. When the executioners attempted to send a second charge through Taylor's body it was discovered that the generator in the powerhouse had blown. Taylor was removed from the chair and placed on a cot. Officials kept him alive with chloroform and morphine so that he could be officially killed by an active current. An hour and nine minutes later Taylor was returned to the chair and given a more than adequate charge.
A 1903 execution at Sing Sing was the last reported botched electrocution. Fred Van Wormer was electrocuted and pronounced dead. Upon arrival to the autopsy room, however, Wormer began
breathing once again. The executioner, who had gone home, was called back to re-electrocute Wormer. Upon his return, Wormer had officially died. Nonetheless, Wormer's corpse was set into the chair
again and electrocuted with seventeen hundred volts for thirty seconds. He was the first dead man
to be electrocuted.
http://www.ccadp.org/electricchair.htm
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-06 at 21:30:47
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Consider this...
In the time it takes you to read this, a few others in the world have already taken their lives. You're still alive, so you still have time to choose differently. Because suicide is very much a choice you have to make. It is not a choice that can be made for you. I am not here to talk you out of it. I am here to help you make a decision that you can live or die with in peace. It's going to take about 5 minutes of your life, a life that you can't see much point in continuing. But since you found your way here, another 5 minutes probably isn't going to hurt anything.
In my many years online, I have met dozens if not hundreds of people who find themselves thinking the exact same thoughts you're thinking -- I can't go on any longer. I just feel too overwhelmed by it all. Nobody loves me, and those who do are just saying it; they're probably lying. I've gone on feeling so bad for so long, I just don't feel like I can take it any more. I give up.
If you recognize yourself in some of those words, that's good. That means that despite all of the bad feelings you're feeling, you can identify some of those feelings that have been felt by others. Trust me, that won't make anything I have to say easier. But it does give us a small reason to hope.
In the time it takes you to read this, a few others in the world have already taken their lives. You're still alive, so you still have time to choose differently. Because suicide is very much a choice you have to make. It is not a choice that can be made for you. I am not here to talk you out of it. I am here to help you make a decision that you can live or die with in peace. It's going to take about 5 minutes of your life, a life that you can't see much point in continuing. But since you found your way here, another 5 minutes probably isn't going to hurt anything.
In my many years online, I have met dozens if not hundreds of people who find themselves thinking the exact same thoughts you're thinking -- I can't go on any longer. I just feel too overwhelmed by it all. Nobody loves me, and those who do are just saying it; they're probably lying. I've gone on feeling so bad for so long, I just don't feel like I can take it any more. I give up.
If you recognize yourself in some of those words, that's good. That means that despite all of the bad feelings you're feeling, you can identify some of those feelings that have been felt by others. Trust me, that won't make anything I have to say easier. But it does give us a small reason to hope.
http://areason.org/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-06 at 21:32:00
No-one ever wants to read all of what I have to say. You know, I type it all for a reason.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-06 at 22:10:34
I think that the Bird Flu will be bad but I dont think it ill be as bad as the Black Plague only for the reason that we are way more advaced now and already knew about the chances of it coming before it does. We shouldnt lose many people, if any!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-06-06 at 22:30:29
technically.
The person below me plays diablo 2 LoD
The person below me plays diablo 2 LoD
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DC_Rocket859 on 2006-06-06 at 22:34:36
False... I cant even afford 20 dollars to buy it...
The person below me likes to watch man on man wrestling action
The person below me likes to watch man on man wrestling action
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-06-06 at 22:50:52
honestly, i doubt the flu will be very bad at all(speaking relatively to the spanish epidemic). Its only gonna be the very old, already sick, immune-system compromised(HIV-infected ppl) and young children who have to worry. While you're essentially right about vaccines being ineffective against mutation, you're slightly off about antibodies. As long as you're fairly healthy, eating properly and don't have any special medical concerns, your immune system(specifically your white blood cells) should be able to detect the virus and produce enough antibodies to counteract the virus' effects before it becomes fatal. However, like i said before, if old/young etc., your body won't be able to do what i described.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-06-06 at 23:05:21
Religion is useless to me as well.
But then again almost anything you believe about life after death and how the universe was created can be concidered a religion... (almost)
But then again almost anything you believe about life after death and how the universe was created can be concidered a religion... (almost)