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Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-08 at 13:37:23

Why do some of you think that the electric chair so so fast. A bullet in the head is much faster and cheaper.

I've read that the electric chair was an alternative to hanging. Those who hanged were not smart enough, so sometimes the victim suffacated to death (if the rope was too short) or got his/her head ripped off (if the rope was too long). Allso I think the innovation factor did it's job. It was a new idea, everybody was fed up with hanging, electricity was rather new (in the 1800s).

Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-06-08 at 15:25:57

If the plates are still moving, iraq is going to crash into united states and there will be terrorist attacks 24/7

Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-06-08 at 15:27:30

I think the eletric chair is torture, there shouldnt even be an execution, its still murder. They should just be sent to life in jail

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-08 at 16:09:05

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Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. This is the beginning of a new day. You have been given this day to use as you will. You can waste it or use it for good. What you do today is important because you are exchanging a day of your life for it. When tomorrow comes, this day will be gone forever; in its place is something that you have left behind... let it be something good.

Don't ask yourself what the world needs; ask yourself what makes you come alive. And then go and do that. Because what the world needs is people who have come alive.

Quotes by J.W. Fanning

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-06-08 at 16:13:21

It existed to execute people. That's why it existed. I mean, wtf.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-08 at 16:23:25

QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 7 2006, 05:14 PM)

No but it certainly makes his future victims stay alive.

In every way.

Of course it does, it certainly doesn't make it worse does it?

Go get your family killed and raped by a murderer and come back to me.

The problem is that jail isn't enough of a punishment. If you don't want to be fried by electricity, then don't kill, it's pretty simple. Repeat: If you don't kill you don't get fried, it's not like innocent people who picked roses all their lives were sent to the electric chair.
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Stop saying they will not kill again if they are dead. THEY WILL BE IN JAIL. If you do something bad enough to warrent the death penalty then you will either get A. life in jail or B. death. so its not like in jail they can break and go kill a bunch of people for one last joy.

Making death painful is right in every way?

If it doesnt make things better and it doesnt make things worse. Then what is the point of doing it just do it non-painful. (That is aside the fact that you are torturing the person.)

I will go back to you and say this person deserves life in jail. And if it makes you feel better i would hope he lives a miserable life in jail.

How isnt jail enough of a punishment? They have to spend their life in jail ; which means no freedom. If you kill them they are just dead. Also, what happens if a guy gets the elecrtic chair and they find new evidence a month later and the guy that you just killed is innocent?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-08 at 16:28:32

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The French Government has decided to abolish capital punishment. The guillotine, after a little more than a hundred years of service, is to be banished to the museums.

Four states of the American Union have abolished capital punishment, and in at least one more
it has been virtually abolished by the refusal of successive Governors to sign death warrants.

New York still clings to this relic of barbarous ages, but there are many citizens of this Empire State
who believe that the time has come for its abolition. Commodore Eldridge T. Gerry has long been an
ardent apostle of that mercy which tempers justice. Assemblyman Eagleton introduced a bill in the
Legislature last session substituting life imprisonment for the electric chair as a punishment for murderers, but it was lost by the wayside. Former Police inspector Alexander Williams has said that crime would be reduced if the death penalty were abolished. His point of view is that convictions for murder would be more certain if juror did not dread the responsibility of condemning men to death, and that the fear of the certainty of life imprisonment would act as a greater deterrent to criminals than that of the electric chair, which they have every reason to hope to escape.

Dr. J Mount Bleyer, who invented the electric chair, and through whose efforts this more humane
method of killing murderers was substituted by law for the gallows, is one of the strongest advocates of the total abolition of the death penalty. He has written for The World the following plea that New York do as France has done and relegate capital punishment to the realms of history.

http://home.gwi.net/~dnb/read/electric_cha...ctric_chair.htm

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-06-08 at 16:30:39

I'm old enough and smart enough to know religion is a way to sleep better at night. There are many reasons why a person believes in these kinds of things. For some It helps give them meaning, a higher purpose. These are the ones I don't like to debate with. Don't rain on their parade. They're just looking for hope.

As for the others, freak em.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-08 at 17:30:22

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According to you, i should be happy, just because there are ppl whose life is even worse? Being happy because something is bad for someone else is called sadism.

And using your theory i could call the starving, hard working kid who has no parents a complete idiot, for not enjoying his life just because maybe there's someone else, whose life is even worse, like a kid who got the same situation except he is blind or sth.. And i could still harass the blind kid because maybe i could find an even worse situation...
You know you could go on like this forever, but the fact that there's someone who is more miserable than you ain't gonna make everyone in the world happy.

I'm not talking about the kid, I'm talking about YOU. You are the one here talking about suicide when there is nothing wrong with your life. Why do you keep looking for excuses to be sad? That is obviously what makes people sad. Go starve and leave your home, then you will have a real reason to be sad. Sir "I have an internet connection and I obviously am well fed enough to be able to use my energy to use it". You go to a child labor sweatshop and ask the people there if they want to commit suicide, obviously not because they are working so hard to preserve their lives. You on the other hand are doing nothing, you get food and water from your parents. You are simply talking about suicide for no apparant reason other than you being bored. It's not the same idea as one kid having one more disability than the other kid. You give me one reason you have to commit suicide.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-06-08 at 17:37:27

QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 3 2006, 08:57 PM)

Wilhelm: You've just conceded. By saying you're an atheist based on faith, there is nothing left to argue. Not suprisingly, I already said this in my last post (if you had read).

DeadlyInnocence:
1. Just because the word "god" is invented by man does not mean a being cannot exist.

2. I'm not arguing for religion.

3. I'm not arguing for religion.

4. There are a lot of things not proven in the world. You still believe them. Refer to post #11.

l)ark_13:
Why do you say so? Have you met him?

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Just because you don't need him doesn't mean he can't exist. Sure, you might have you own ways of coping. Then again, when did I say he must be there for you as a way to cope? I'm simply asking for why you deny the existance outright.

Neiji:
Stop talking about a certain religion. This is not a religious discussion.

Mp(U):
I respect that, but why? You never actually stated your personal beliefs about god so I can't say anything beyond that.
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This is very sad. None of you have been able to provide any solid reasoning for why you're atheist. The posts I read confirms my suspicion that most of you are atheist because it's "cool"; you don't actually know why you are except it seems "logical" (and yet, you cannot show me that logic!).
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I'm too lazy to read the whole topic again, so I'll just answer Cheeze's first post since I last saw this topic -

I really expected more from you, CheeZe. What do you expect from us? Solid proof that there is no such thing as a divine being? We can't supply that. Anything other then that you interpret as faith and say that it doesn't matter. Why can't there be faith in the absence of a divine being? The logic is, scientists have found a theory that matches everything that you religious types term 'divine intervention'. We have never seen a god. He has never shown himself to us. He allows the earth to be readily destroyed. I cannot believe that, even if there is a god (which I doubt), he is one who deserves to be worshipped.

So it's 'faith' and 'logic' that tells us that the possibility of a god existing are slim, what do you care? It's 'faith' and 'logic' telling you that god exists! Lightning storm? God is angry. LOGIC (I don't agree with that, by the way, but it's a fitting example).

What more do you want? JUST AS YOU BELIEVE IN GOD, WE DON'T.
Try telling me a reason why you do believe in god, and if I do the same thing you do, saying that faith isn't good enough, what can you do?

Edit: Yay, my first completely 'pwnz0r1z3d' topic.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-06-08 at 17:42:56

QUOTE(Deathawk @ Jun 7 2006, 12:57 PM)

At your age, who else are you supposed to live for. (Assuming you're a teen -_-)

As is any other thing you do as a hobby.

What else should people be living for at any age?
Jobs? Corporations? Governments? Money? Family? I would consider living for anything else a form of slavery.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-08 at 17:52:02

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top saying they will not kill again if they are dead. THEY WILL BE IN JAIL. If you do something bad enough to warrent the death penalty then you will either get A. life in jail or B. death. so its not like in jail they can break and go kill a bunch of people for one last joy.

What happens when you have 200,000 murderers in one jail? Jails aren't escape proof, and the ones that are intelligent enough to escape are the ones who will cause the most terror. Would you be okay knowing that the murderer who killed your father is still alive in a building nearby? It is guaranteed that if every murderer was put into a jail then some of them would escape and kill more people. The death penalty saves space and lives.

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If it doesnt make things better and it doesnt make things worse. Then what is the point of doing it just do it non-painful. (That is aside the fact that you are torturing the person.)

It would give people more of an incentive not to kill, and will give them the proper punishment for causing a whole family to suffer.

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I will go back to you and say this person deserves life in jail. And if it makes you feel better i would hope he lives a miserable life in jail.

A life in jail wouldn't be safe and we would be wasting money and space keeping the scum of the world alive.

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Also, what happens if a guy gets the elecrtic chair and they find new evidence a month later and the guy that you just killed is innocent?

Our modern legal system isn't the same as it was in the 1850's. It is much more accurate and would require a lot more evidence. I personally would be more worried that the guilty person doesn't get caught. Anyways if they found out that the guy was innocent a month later then the police officers did a horrible job.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-08 at 18:23:17

When I was a teenager, I always thought to myself why were we put onto this earth. It all makes sence as you grow up.

Alot of teens think that everyone thinks of them and that everyone needs to do something for them. When you grow up, you will know your role in life.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by MP)NuAp on 2006-06-08 at 18:42:16

2 500 lbs bombs were dropped yesterday at 6 killing zarqowi! haha its about time! can i get a WOOP WOOP!!!!?

LW: Please don't put random crap and all caps in topic titles. Especially in Serious Discusison.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-08 at 18:46:24

QUOTE(Jet_Blast54 @ Jun 8 2006, 04:51 PM)

Give me a source on how many LIFE IN PRISON MURDERERS IN MAXIMUS SERCURITY PRISONS exscape.

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It would give people more of an incentive not to kill, and will give them the proper punishment for causing a whole family to suffer.

Yeah because people aren't killing know with the the electric chair in place.

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A life in jail wouldn't be safe and we would be wasting money and space keeping the scum of the world alive.

It is expensive to kill people also.

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What happens if it is 10 years later? Plus even though we are more accurate mistakes still do happen. I remember seeing a guy who was in jail for like 10 years for a crime he didnt do and he finally go released because of new evidence.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Choerdius on 2006-06-08 at 19:11:55

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The statement did not say when al-Zarqawi was supposedly killed, but U.S. jets bombed strongholds of the extremist Ansar al-Islam in the north last April as Saddam Hussein’s regime was collapsing.

It said al-Zarqawi was unable to escape the bombing because of his artificial leg.

Before the Iraq conflict began last March, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said al-Zarqawi received hospital treatment in Baghdad after fleeing Afghanistan. U.S. intelligence sources said he apparently was fitted with an artificial leg.

The statement said the “fabricated al-Zarqawi memo” has been used by the U.S.-run coalition “to back up their theory of a civil war” in Iraq.

In February, the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq made public an intercepted letter it said was written by al-Zarqawi to al-Qaida leaders, detailing a strategy of spectacular attacks to derail the planned June 30 handover of power to the Iraqis. U.S. officials say al-Zarqawi may have been involved in some of the series of suicide bombings this year in Iraq.

“The truth is, al-Qaida is not present in Iraq,” the Mujahedeen statement said. Though many Arabs entered the country to fight U.S. troops, only a small number remain, the group said.

A little over a year ago, Jordanian authorities named al-Zarqawi as the mastermind behind the October 2002 murder of Laurence Foley, a 60-year-old administrator of U.S. aid programs in Jordan.

In a German court last year, Shadi Abdellah, a Palestinian on trial for allegedly plotting to attack Berlin’s Jewish Museum and a Jewish-owned disco, testified he was working for al-Zarqawi. He said they met in Afghanistan.

German authorities have reportedly said they believe al-Zarqawi was appointed by al-Qaida’s leadership to arrange attacks in Europe.

Moroccan government sources said a group blamed for bombings last May that killed 45 people in Casablanca got its orders from al-Zarqawi. In Turkey, officials said he was believed to have played a role in bombings that killed 63 at two synagogues, the British consulate and a British bank in Istanbul in November.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4446084/

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-06-08 at 19:39:04

QUOTE(MP)NuAp @ Jun 8 2006, 04:41 PM)

2 500 lbs bombs were dropped yesterday at 6 killing zarqowi! haha its about time! can i get a WOOP WOOP!!!!?
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i don't understand.. What are the zarqowi. Are you talking about al qaeda? i'm really lost.. you could give more information.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-06-08 at 19:41:31

Atheistsm is a true thing to have though. Because of all of promblems and seriousness of religions in the past it is just a thought to keep you thinking, and continue with life. Like Gosh religion isn't everything.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2006-06-08 at 20:25:57

Ok, guys. The argument that giving murderers the death penalty gives murderers-to-bes and incentive not to murder is false. If you're killing somebody on purpose, you don't expect to be caught, or you don't care what happens to you.

Next:

Killing someone for killing someone else is still killing. In fact, it's slaying. You're binding the man or woman down so they are helpless and murdering them in cold blood. It's sick and disgusting, and it isn't justified. T

he argument that it will cause overcrowding in prisons? False. Why? All you have to do is give them worse medical care so they don't live that long. That way, you're not killing them, and they aren't killing anybody else.

Next-next:

The police officers did a horrible job if they find out the guy is innocent? I'm sorry, no. The police officers aren't even the ones who do the investigating. The detectives do the investigating, and they turn over the evidence to the forensics (who also do a little snooping) and to the psychologists (who already have their hands full with profiling the person's psychology), who turn the evidence into an arrest warrant and hand it into the police, who risk being killed or killing someone, and who arrest the suspected person.

You're looking at a dozen or more people who could have made one simple, little mistake. For example, forgetting to double check their work.

Personally, I'm more worried that an innocent person will die or suffer for crimes they did not do.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-08 at 20:31:12

QUOTE(MP)NuAp @ Jun 8 2006, 05:41 PM)

2 500 lbs bombs were dropped yesterday at 6 killing zarqowi! haha its about time! can i get a WOOP WOOP!!!!?
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If I'm not mistaken, it was two 500lb bombs were sploded on his safe house.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.Insane.oO on 2006-06-08 at 20:46:21

Eather way hes dead and he is better off that way...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-06-08 at 21:04:43

Like I said earlier, I don't think it will do much, besides maybe boost Bush's approval rating a few points. Terrorist organizations are compartmentalized and designed to function independently from a leader.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by dumbducky on 2006-06-08 at 21:11:13

Still a victory.

Bad thing is, the extremists are calling him a martyr.

BTW, what's with the wierd thread name.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mune'R0x on 2006-06-08 at 21:28:09

I'm guessing it was used as an attention getter. A grabber or hook to some of you people.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-08 at 21:28:55

Sweet, I know but think of how long this stupid thing is taking? We should have killed these guys a long time ago. We could have easily dropped bombs on him and Saddam, now we still have to catch bin laden!

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