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So you killed one, so what? Another one will come next day you know. Getting Sadam didn't stop anything, killing this guy won't end anything either. They will only become more angry than before. You could as well draw a nice target on one of your damn cool buildings like twin towers...

Another God Thread? *Sigh*
I voted yes but it's my own personal opinion(and I tipped the scales! 29/29 )
Before anyone blames athiests for being arrogant and ignorant b***hes
Or blames believers for being blind followers, I've compiled a category list.

On both sides you have these types of supporters:

• Veteran Researchers(people who have gone through both views of the topic and in the end chose this side, this would only be 2 or maybe 3 people on SEN despite what you think)
  
  
• Heavily Influenced(Some of these people are the people you would call "idiots" because they talk like they know what they are talking about but when you read their comments it makes utterly no sense. THis is because[usually by parents] they have been heavily influenced into this belief or disbelief. By the way, stay at home kids usually believe n god and Rebellious teenagers or punk rockers don't, those are the real statistics)
  
  
• Emotionally Compelled(Someone's own personal anger towards the other side has driven them to disbelief in god, or someone's belief in pure piracles has caused them to put faith in to god. These depend entirely on your emotional state and look out on the world as fair or not. Since many teenagers experience the harder parts of life, they try to not believe in god cuz their own logic is what keeps em goin. Most other people live believing in some divine power or intelligence that meant for things to be this way. These people are the ones that let their emotions influence them and they're usually very unaware of what's happening to them)
  
  
• Lonely(This final one is simple, someone who didn't care or was on the otherside found the other side having a good time or enjoying themselves. So he/she decided to finally see the other point of view, they looked over out of boredom and lonliness-well mostly curiosity. But the state of lonelliness mixed with curiosity created this person who enjoys where they are because it's very enjoyable here with these people.)

Anyway take a look through what I said, I did it to prevent a few flame wars and maybe shed some light on things. Anyway that's it for me, gooo believers! win teh pole!1!

~Tdnfthe1

Jesus, you guys do know what's really going on right? If you do great but for those who are uninformed of what's forming around the world allow me to elaborate.

1)First of all, about all the immigrant stuff. The BASIC AND VISIBLE clause is that immigrants are running up taxes and filling the streets n what not, but there's more to it than that. The government doesn't care about it, cuz all we're talking about is allowing them to be here EVEN THO they're not helping us. The truth is we freaked up their lives. All of the immigrants you see coming up here are our fault, and now you see America trying to hide behind the curtain and act as if it never happened. I'll explain some of the things that happened in my next point.

2)Yeah the U.S. has done shady things to our nearby countries. And yeah, crack was transplanted, no doubt about it you better believe it. If you've never heard of the IRAN CONTRA SCANDAL well ur about to get a crash course in it.
In the mid 1900's(like somewhere between 1960-1980) there was a secret mission called the Iran Contra Scandal. Basically the influenced war between Iran and Iraq was going bad for both the Iraqis and the Iranians(lol bad spelling). So the U.S. stepped in and sold em a TON of weapons, which is mostly likely why we thought Iraq had nuclear weapons, using ALL the money we got from that the U.S. planned the next stage. 5(or maybe 8) Pilots flew planes with millions of dollars to central America. Cuba, el salvador, mexico, guatemala, Panama, Salvador, etc. These were countries that were hurting financially and people had nothing, so the U.S. PAYED PEOPLE to begin the druh trade. The creating of crack, cocaine, marijuana, ectasy, crank, cram, the works. Now all the dirty money used to sell the weapons to Iraq was gone and hidden within latin America. So now neither the crack outbreak or the Iran-Iraq war could be traced to us. To top it off, the drugs being created in central america were SPECIFICALLY made to be exported to the western cities of the U.S. The ships shipping the drugs were government issued . The first drop off poiints were of course, L.A. Oakland, south san Francisco, Long Beach, And san Jose. So people who buy the drugs, would buy them from the dealers who are hired by the latins cartels and drug lords. The money would then go back down to central america, then the process would repeat all over again and the Government could never be leaked to it. And you won't ever hear this on the news becuz corporations that own the media have "loopholes and ties" with the Federal Government. And does this apply to the point of this topic? The Iran Contra Scandal caused mass civil wars in latin america that you have never even heard about. Families, cities were massacred for the control of crack and cocaine. You gotta understand America inserted a source of money for these people, it became a live or die for it situation. The control of the drugs and areas to sell them, breaks out all this different chaos. Latin America is torn, the people want somewhere safe to go... And of course they hear of "America, THE GREATEST EQUALITY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD". So they all start immigrating into America, by any means necessary just like we wanted. But now we want them out, and I'll tell you what I think is the real reason why.

3)Most of you probably know about Cuba and Fidel Castro. It's a socialist country and the U.S. doesn't like that. Some decades ago the U.S. went to Cuba and removed Fidel Castro from power to help our problems. A week or less later, the PEOPLE of Cuba put Fidel Castro back into power and the U.S. hasn't touched Cuba since. I believe there was a small incident not too long ago, where President Bush went to goto Cuba to meet with fidel and talk "Neutralities". The people bombarded him with rocks, food, sticks, and stones before he could even get to Fidel's house and he ended up having to leave immediately. The big reason Cuba couldn't just ignore America for the most part, is because Cuba was becoming very poor, they needed natural resources. Mainly Oil and Gas refinerys(if you didn't know, a year ago we started seizing gas Refineries in Iraq). Now the whole immigration thing in my opinion is this, Cuba needed America to buy it's sources from so sooner or later Cuba would've had to give in to the demands of the Americans. But noticed I said Cuba NEEDED. I can't remember when, but sometime ago(7 months at most) Cuba met with 2 other south American countries(Sorry that I cant remember right now). The 3 countries previously all had issues having to rely on America, yet they HATE America. Cuba Needed Oil, One country needed natural Minerals, and the other country needed to revamp their economy. The three countries signed a deal, or a document of the sorts. Each country lends one of the other ones the resources it needs in exchange for what it is they need. So Cuba got their oil, another country got it's economical support, and the other one got it's natural minerals. So you see, now the three countries didn't need America anymore there was no need for either of them to stay neutral against America. You see now all the revolutionaries and people who want to take down America don't have a leash around their neck. TRhe gloves are off and America is right in they face for the takedown. That's y we closed down the borders in my opinion, the Government is scared of people getting into the states and causing America to reupt internally, which in my opinion is how it's gonna fall apart anyway. People like us.

Anyway sorry if that was all a bit long, but I hope I shed some light on those who wern't informed of this stuff. And if any1 has any questions I'll answer em here or by PM. Thanks for reading all that.

~Tdnfthe1

meh...not really. its like their protesting against a group of people sound like anything from the past?

^ you talking about the KKK? yeah but i dont really think its that similar

if thats all true than i am kinda scared. basing on what you said, the government is handling this situation very poorly (like a lot of the time). then again we have to remember that if we treat cuba badly in any way, they can ask for alliance with russia like they did in 60-70s (can't remember exactly when). its a difficult situation and to be honest i dont really know how to handle it

Except this thread has been out for a long time. And why would you be complaining when you have soo much to say about it? Dont complain just reply!

29/29

How random.. See i'm from canada but i would never of expected. That is intense. I also lived near parliment so damn. I don't understand why they would attempt to attack canada we are to cool for school.

I agree! That would have been so bad for Canada. I dont really know much about this topic but I have heard about it. TO think that terrorists are attacking again. Especially this close to the US. I think all countries should be on their toes

Exactly, its just creating more terrorism, unless you can stop what fuels their hate against us, it won't stop. Hence the perpetual war depicted in 1984.

7-7. no offense but you are so gullible. As I stated before, from the amount of explosives they had, it wouldn't of been close to 9/11 in the smallest degree. If I were you I would stick to null for a little while until you understand a little better.

They had 3 times the amount as used in a 1995 bombing which killed ~170. 170*3=510. So it wouldn't be near the extent of 9/11, but it would still be big.

I think destroying their money source would be effective.

I have said this before and I'll say it again. Bush needs to hurry up and create a police state soon cause his President term doesn't have very much time left.

If most of these terrorists in Iraq were Iraqis they would be only targeting Americans and not their friends/fellow Iraqis.


Simple spelling mistake that I wasn't paying attention to who posted. I correct it now go cry more.

You don't make sence. Why are we in Iraq for oil when the Government just stepped up the payment in billions for alternative energy sources?

This does nothing. Terrorism will still grow and we will lose cause I say so.

/sarcasm.

They didn't have enough to cause that much destruction, but they still could've did some damage. Did anyone else hear about their plans to blow up the CN Tower and behead the prime minister?

How unexpected, right when we get a Conservative PM, we get terrorist attack attempts. Oh wait... That's exactly what everyone knew would happen. Wake up. Terrorists today don't like right wing governments.

Becuase Right wing governments are more dangerous to them then left wing ones.

The World is ending! Some one kill bush!

I heard about the prime minister on Drudge Report, but I didn't read the article.


Funny thing, they orginally found these terrorists plotting in a chatroom. They decided that they were a big enough threat to keep track of. Thank God they did.

I highly suggest you don't post if you only vaugely know what you're talking about. You're probably thinking of the Cuban Missle Crisis, where the Cubans took sides with the Soviets. The Cubans started to build nuclear missle silos, and the Soviets were going to send some nukes but we stopped them. Everyone thought we were about to die, but the Soviets decided not to arm Cuba.


The KKK wanted to kill all blacks. We just want to deport the illegals back to where they came from.

What is relevant to this discussion

In the modern warfare on terrorism (let's be specific to the US and Canada), the use of torture against suspected and known terrorists is believed to be a method to obtain critical information that might help maintain national security during a crisis. This torture is regulated, but by all means will be putting the victim through long periods of excrutiating pain. The negative may argue that such methods are violating basic human rights.

Relevant topics may involve but not limited to the 911 incident, recent capture of Canadian terorrists, the Abu Ghraib incident, Geneva Conventions and U.N. protocols.

So, do you believe torture to be justified during a national security crisis? (please don't just say yes/no, this is a discussion)