Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-10 at 20:32:30
It all depends on what you call torture or what your own definition of torture to you means.
Playing loud pop music all day and night in some one's cell maybe torture to some people, and to some its not.
Playing loud pop music all day and night in some one's cell maybe torture to some people, and to some its not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-10 at 20:35:56
Its always good news for me to hear that we have captured or killed important terrorist masterminds. Lets face it, not all terrorists are the sharpest tools in the shed (suicide bombers anyone?).
Its also not just him dead. What we found in the building is even more important! We found a crap loud of intel that we quickly used in over 40 raids that I believe was the number. Not only is he dead, but possible the stablization/organization of the different forgien terrorist groups in the country.
Its also not just him dead. What we found in the building is even more important! We found a crap loud of intel that we quickly used in over 40 raids that I believe was the number. Not only is he dead, but possible the stablization/organization of the different forgien terrorist groups in the country.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-10 at 20:56:32
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"(the former four states allow the prisoner to choose lethal injection as an alternative method)."
" In Florida, the condemned may choose death by electrocution, but the default is lethal injection."
"The electric chair is an alternate form of execution approved for potential use in Illinois and Oklahoma if other forms of execution are found unconstitutional in the state at the time of execution."
Nebraska Electrocution is the sole method.
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I asked for the date for a reason, as you can see, he was released because after his conviction his case was investigated with updated DNA technology, which was previously unavailabe in the 1980's. Nowadays something like that would not have happened, therefore you can't use something so old as evidence to back you up.
It can still happen because we will get new technology in another 20 years and be able to find more people innocent.
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If you honestly believe that there has never been an escape in any jail before, then I don't think it's worth it to bother looking up sources for you.
So housing people for a few months costs more than housing them their whole lives? That makes sense. These people aren't given some fancy $1000 hotel to live in. They stay alive for 30-90 days, get a last meal, die.
So housing people for a few months costs more than housing them their whole lives? That makes sense. These people aren't given some fancy $1000 hotel to live in. They stay alive for 30-90 days, get a last meal, die.
People stay on death row for way longer then 90 days.
"Michael Ross, a Connecticut inmate who had been on death row for 17 years" "Death row inmates in the U.S. typically spend over a decade awaiting execution. Some prisoners have been on death row for well over 20 years."
Also, if they can be in their for over a decade who isnt to say someone cant escape? Just like they would have the chance of someone escaping in a maximum security prison.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?&did=1397
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-06-10 at 21:39:32
Nerds suc. Geeks= 10% pawnage
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-06-10 at 21:58:05
Torture is never justified. How can you condemn terrorists for violating human rights and yet still support torture as an interrogation method?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-06-10 at 22:12:56
As a standard means of extracting information, torture normally should not be used. There are better methods.
However, people who declare that terrorists are unfairly treated while in custody should eat dirt. Treatment during detainment of knows/suspected terrorists is far better than some mid-east prisons.
But...I believe that a spcialized case may arise where actions similar to torture(and that may be called that) might become necessary. If you have a terrorist who knows of an impending attack upon your country, and you knew that it was going to occur soon, wouldn't you want to know right then the details of that attack to prevent it? Although I won't go straight to torture...that wouldn't be right.
However, people who declare that terrorists are unfairly treated while in custody should eat dirt. Treatment during detainment of knows/suspected terrorists is far better than some mid-east prisons.
But...I believe that a spcialized case may arise where actions similar to torture(and that may be called that) might become necessary. If you have a terrorist who knows of an impending attack upon your country, and you knew that it was going to occur soon, wouldn't you want to know right then the details of that attack to prevent it? Although I won't go straight to torture...that wouldn't be right.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-10 at 22:19:21
Not much of a point to "Death" Row if you keep people locked up there for 10+ years now is there?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PwnPirate on 2006-06-10 at 22:23:42
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Nebraska Electrocution is the sole method.
One state out of fifty states, would you consider that major issue?
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It can still happen because we will get new technology in another 20 years and be able to find more people innocent.
For all we know technology used to find evidence has reached it's peak.
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People stay on death row for way longer then 90 days.
"Michael Ross, a Connecticut inmate who had been on death row for 17 years" "Death row inmates in the U.S. typically spend over a decade awaiting execution. Some prisoners have been on death row for well over 20 years."
Also, if they can be in their for over a decade who isnt to say someone cant escape? Just like they would have the chance of someone escaping in a maximum security prison.
"Michael Ross, a Connecticut inmate who had been on death row for 17 years" "Death row inmates in the U.S. typically spend over a decade awaiting execution. Some prisoners have been on death row for well over 20 years."
Also, if they can be in their for over a decade who isnt to say someone cant escape? Just like they would have the chance of someone escaping in a maximum security prison.
“People are adamant . . . that every avenue should be exhausted to make sure there is no chance (the condemned) are not guilty,” former Georgia Attorney General Mike Bowers said in 2001. “The surer you are, the slower you move.” (Atlanta Constitution, October 27, 2001).
The years it takes to carry out a death sentence exact a huge toll – on taxpayers, victims’ families and inmates themselves. Yet without thorough appeals, mistakes in death penalty cases would be missed. "
Also, death row prisoners are much more isolated than other prisoners, therefore they have a much smaller chance of escaping.
They do this to make sure the person has murdered someone, which makes sense. If you are going to put someone on death row you want to make sure they killed someone. Anyways the point is that they are wasting less money than life sentence prisoners. This is actually a completely different topic, and if you are going to discuss it you should make a new topic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-10 at 22:23:58
Steven Harper, Canada's PM has already sent our troops to Afghanistan in attempt to aid the US forces there. The last thing I would do is send troops to an unstable urban warzone. I heard about the attempt at beheading the PM. Ok, so 6,000 pounds of explosives isn't enough compared to the two planes hitting the Twin Towers but it would have been SIMILAR to 9/11. Like I said, it would have been 9/11 for Canada, maybe not fatality wise, but it would devestate the country, no doubt. I'm from Canada too. Kutos Snipe!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-10 at 22:26:41
Then just put a $0.79 .45 caliber bullet in their head if you're worried so much about the tax payers. But that's a war execution or assasination method, but they still die and cost barely no money. It wouldn't be as painful unless you missed, it'd just be messier.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-10 at 22:30:30
No. Church is pointless. You go there for a hour or two and listen to some guy preach about the world's problems and how God is great. The Bible is a book, exclude religion and its no different from any other best-selling book. I think believing in God is a waste of time and money. Anyone heard of the "Smiling Preacher" from Texas? He gives weekly speeches to a gigantic croud that can include about 20,000 people in one massive auditorium. He makes people pay a set amount of money, $1-5 I think. In an interview, he was asked about his money and he replied that God said it was good to surround yourself with it. BS! BS! BS! Greed can corrupt even the most caring of people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-10 at 22:37:26
Life is a huge responsibility and some don't have the ability to tackle it so they take the easy way out, suicide. Others can go insane and live in a nut house. For everyone else, we may not live a great life like the celebrities but it doesn't mean that you should kill yourself. If your an abused child, I'd understand if you want to commit suicide but you gotta stop and think about it for a second. Suicide isn't one of those things you can fix after you've done it. Think about, life is extremely valuable. The world is filled with endless possibilities and wonders. How many times do you get to have a life anyway? 1, unless you believe in resurrection. You'll only have one life so you might as well make the best of it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Legendary(LX) on 2006-06-10 at 22:45:40
False.
The person below me is annoyed by the way JordanN is asking if anyone likes his avatar.
The person below me is annoyed by the way JordanN is asking if anyone likes his avatar.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-10 at 23:48:42
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 10 2006, 11:50 AM)
You don't make sence. Why are we in Iraq for oil when the Government just stepped up the payment in billions for alternative energy sources?
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Don't you know anything about how to manipulate people?
Let's use an example:
Jim has money. Joe has no money.
Joe wants some money, so he asks Jim for some. Jim says no. Joe gets angry. Joe creates scenarios for Jim to spend his money towards Joe. Jim thinks he is doing something else, but in all reality, Joe is manipulating Jim into using his money to benefit Joe.
If you can't even understand that, then stop posting here.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-11 at 00:06:44
QUOTE(Pyro_Maniak14 @ Jun 10 2006, 08:37 PM)
Life is a huge responsibility and some don't have the ability to tackle it so they take the easy way out, suicide. Others can go insane and live in a nut house. For everyone else, we may not live a great life like the celebrities but it doesn't mean that you should kill yourself. If your an abused child, I'd understand if you want to commit suicide but you gotta stop and think about it for a second. Suicide isn't one of those things you can fix after you've done it. Think about, life is extremely valuable. The world is filled with endless possibilities and wonders. How many times do you get to have a life anyway? 1, unless you believe in resurrection. You'll only have one life so you might as well make the best of it.
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I hate when people say Life is too short. Umm okay maybe only because it is th elongest thing to anyone is what they mean by short.[/sarcasm] "Life is to short" What, are you going to do something longer?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-11 at 00:17:44
Yup! SURGE is saweet though!
The person below me has between 100 and 200 posts!
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-06-11 at 01:24:38
False. To be true, I have total of 490 posts...
The person below me thinks nerds pwn the geeks.
The person below me thinks nerds pwn the geeks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by xszerg on 2006-06-11 at 01:34:20
Hahaha that was funny 7-7. Nah but really why do we live. I mean people usually don't talk bout stuff like this so this is tough to answer but I got one. NO REASON.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-11 at 03:43:05
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 10 2006, 09:50 PM)
Why are we in Iraq for oil when the Government just stepped up the payment in billions for alternative energy sources?
Simple, becawse those new energy sorces are not yet capable of providing USA with all the energy it needs. But when those new energy sources will reach full power (as USA wants to use more nuclear energy), they will be able to produce more energy and "feed" the USA totally.
USA needs time to get to full nuclear power, and Oil helps to provide that time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-11 at 09:17:31
QUOTE(Pyro_Maniak14 @ Jun 10 2006, 09:26 PM)
Then just put a $0.79 .45 caliber bullet in their head if you're worried so much about the tax payers. But that's a war execution or assasination method, but they still die and cost barely no money. It wouldn't be as painful unless you missed, it'd just be messier.
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As of 2006, Idaho and Oklahoma are the only other states in which execution by firing squad is still legally available.
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One state out of fifty states, would you consider that major issue?
Their are still 10 other states that have the electric chair and their are 36 states in all with the death penalty. So yes its a problem.
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For all we know technology used to find evidence has reached it's peak.
Yeah and richard simmons isnt gay
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Also, death row prisoners are much more isolated than other prisoners, therefore they have a much smaller chance of escaping.
still a chance.
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This is actually a completely different topic, and if you are going to discuss it you should make a new topic.
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Why did you respond to me if i was so off topic? -_- (though its not off topic)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Legendary(LX) on 2006-06-11 at 11:27:47
False....wtf? Geeks don't pwn nerds, nerds don't pwn geeks.
The person below me is annoyed at how JordanN is posting.
The person below me is annoyed at how JordanN is posting.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-11 at 12:14:52
You know it!
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-06-11 at 12:57:10
wait, so now your giving the reasoning for why they are on DR for so many years, when earlier you were dead sure they were only on DR no longer then 90 days.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-06-11 at 13:08:24
"go cry more", ah good ole Chris, if it doesn't go for his point of view its crying. Same simple narrow minded Chris we all know and hate.
Suicide bombers not too smart? Has nothing to do with intelligence, has to do with faith. Hmmm didn't you defend faith in other threads? Hipocrisy anyone?
Ya intel and 40 raids, which brought us to where we are... where is that exactly, oh the SAME GOD DAMNED PLACE WE WERE BEFORE! The way the terrorist organization is set up is that you cannot get everyone by capturing one person. You can't seem to get that through your head.
You need to check out that genocide the US soldiers help commit before you say that they are the only ones killing unarmed people.
Ya and notice they all came to us, not us to them. Funny we are there fighting an army of people who were not there previously. They get in and out without us knowing, they are basicly winning the war, getting our asses handed to us, pretty much everything outside the green zone is theirs since we can't seem to secure it. They've killed many public officials in iraq, and have just beheaded another person. Did you know the deaths in Iraq for first 3-4 years were higher then the first 3-4 years in Vietnam? Then it eventually started to spike.
Heres a funny lil' skit on Bush, sad that it resembles reality. Provided by loser_musician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH3Wjc9Gn6E...ch=black%20bush
Suicide bombers not too smart? Has nothing to do with intelligence, has to do with faith. Hmmm didn't you defend faith in other threads? Hipocrisy anyone?
Ya intel and 40 raids, which brought us to where we are... where is that exactly, oh the SAME GOD DAMNED PLACE WE WERE BEFORE! The way the terrorist organization is set up is that you cannot get everyone by capturing one person. You can't seem to get that through your head.
You need to check out that genocide the US soldiers help commit before you say that they are the only ones killing unarmed people.
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If most of these terrorists in Iraq were Iraqis they would be only targeting Americans and not their friends/fellow Iraqis.
Ya and notice they all came to us, not us to them. Funny we are there fighting an army of people who were not there previously. They get in and out without us knowing, they are basicly winning the war, getting our asses handed to us, pretty much everything outside the green zone is theirs since we can't seem to secure it. They've killed many public officials in iraq, and have just beheaded another person. Did you know the deaths in Iraq for first 3-4 years were higher then the first 3-4 years in Vietnam? Then it eventually started to spike.
Heres a funny lil' skit on Bush, sad that it resembles reality. Provided by loser_musician
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH3Wjc9Gn6E...ch=black%20bush
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kashmir on 2006-06-11 at 13:13:07
Anyone here ever hear about signing statements? ITs basicly an add-on to a bill that the president can add. Its quieter then a veto, and can't be overturned by a two-thirds majority. All previous presidents before bush have used a combined amount of just over 300 S.S. Bush has used over 700 in just his presidency. Funny that the banned torture bill has a S.S.
BILL: Torture is banned by the US.
S.S: Unless the president deems it neccessary to prevent a future terrorist attack.
Please enlighten me Chris, what did Hitler call the people who "burned the reichstag"?
Nevermind, I'll tell you. He called them TERRORISTS as well!
S.S are talked about in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfi7DbkTaSI...ller%20bullcrap
BILL: Torture is banned by the US.
S.S: Unless the president deems it neccessary to prevent a future terrorist attack.
Please enlighten me Chris, what did Hitler call the people who "burned the reichstag"?
Nevermind, I'll tell you. He called them TERRORISTS as well!
S.S are talked about in here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfi7DbkTaSI...ller%20bullcrap