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Report, edit, etc...Posted by ihatett_da_hated on 2005-08-12 at 01:29:30
QUOTE(SuperToast @ Aug 11 2005, 10:07 PM)
Isn't your main problem with the whole issue the patch ruining your replays? Aren't you being hypoctitical by praising the person who might have been the actual reason for blizzard patching this?
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No. After the exploit was released, someone was going to find a buffer overfow (as I said in the beginning, actually). Luckily, the guy who found it was SuperPenguin, so instead of the overflow being released to everyone and then requiring a patch, he went directly to Blizzard (as DK should have done from the start), so no one had to suffer through the atual exploit.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-12 at 03:39:52
lol, i like how they say, a bug that causes some games to crash, sinse there are still so many other ways
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (U)Bolt_Head on 2005-08-12 at 05:59:44
QUOTE(Artanis @ Aug 11 2005, 02:25 PM)
Personally, I think this was for the greater good of the SC community. The amount of PC players they gained wouldn't equal the amount of mac players they will lose. Also, if they didn't patch it, it would show they don't care about mac users, which is bad for business. Lastly, they might have found out something dangerous that can be done with EUD triggers while looking into it and they decided to patch it before we discovered it.
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So yeah, i didn't read all 12 pages.

I think you summed it up pretty good Silent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snake)Ling on 2005-08-12 at 07:49:39
If Blizzard doesen't own our Starcraft games, they own Battle.Net, and they can tell us that our software needs to meet certain criteria to use Battle.Net.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kumano on 2005-08-12 at 08:09:34
Weird, my max HP changing triggers wont work now but my cheat detectors still work?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by notnuclearrabbit on 2005-08-12 at 08:35:33
[center]They should have at least waited to release it, make the new patch, but don't realease it until something bad happens.[/center]
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 09:18:14
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Weird, my max HP changing triggers wont work now but my cheat detectors still work?


Not all cheat detectors are EUD, so yes, most of them should still work. If you were concerned about the patch disrupting them, I don't think there should abe a real problem.

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They should have at least waited to release it, make the new patch, but don't realease it until something bad happens


Why should they have done that? So someone could find another malicious exploit in the Starcraft memory, which someone did, and find a way to execute trojans or viruses? That's the last thing Battle.net needs.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PhillyTitan on 2005-08-12 at 09:54:08
whats gunna happen to the replays?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 10:36:57
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whats gunna happen to the replays?


Probably nothing. You might still be able to watch some replays from 1.13 on 1.13b. If not, then that is bad. Ish.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2005-08-12 at 10:39:26
I hate to break the news to you guys, but you were fine without EUDs three weeks ago.

Nuclearrabit - Are you saying we should make a bunch of maps and THEN let the patch kill them off? I would rather they release a patch ASAP if they're going to, simply so we don't waste all that time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kumano on 2005-08-12 at 10:43:47
Yes, but the cheat detectors i used were the EUD ones so I could detect power overwhelming and stuff, i tried in my map and they still worked.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tavrobel on 2005-08-12 at 10:52:22
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I hate to break the news to you guys, but you were fine without EUDs three weeks ago.


Yeah we were. It's rather disappointing to watch people treat this as though we never had this before, and not everyone knows how to use them.

Incorrect word: "as though we never had this before"
EDIT: correction, as though we ALWAYS had this before.

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Nuclearrabit - Are you saying we should make a bunch of maps and THEN let the patch kill them off? I would rather they release a patch ASAP if they're going to, simply so we don't waste all that time.


That's what I asked him.

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Yes, but the cheat detectors i used were the EUD ones so I could detect power overwhelming and stuff, i tried in my map and they still worked.


It depends. If they were one-player maps, then it proves that EUD still works for one player, and that's the end fo the story. If they were not then Blizzard didn't do a very good job of patching. But I doubt this; it is their game. I'm sorry if you take this the wrong way, but its unlikely that those triggers were EUD to help you detect one-player cheats, rather, just normal ones. Although I think you're referring to my first option.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-12 at 11:01:57
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Probably nothing. You might still be able to watch some replays from 1.13 on 1.13b. If not, then that is bad. Ish.

My 1.13 replays all of them works... I tested about 5 replays mellow.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-08-12 at 11:02:43
It's like EUD is their drug.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kumano on 2005-08-12 at 11:05:01
No, I was in single player and my max HP changing trigger wouldnt work, so it seems that most of the triggers are gone but some are still there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 11:38:32
Just so you know, a buffer overflow doesn't mean something is a virus or anything. The entire thing was a buffer overflow, they don't "find" buffer overflows using a buffer overflow.

Replays DO NOT get corrupted after a patch.

But you ignorant fools don't have a brain(ihatett), so you probably can't comprehend the facts(ihatett). Arguing with you idiots would also be pointless because you just keep looping and disregarding what others have to say(ihatett).

Extended unit deaths in conditions still work I guess.

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Luckily, the guy who found it was SuperPenguin, so instead of the overflow being released to everyone and then requiring a patch, he went directly to Blizzard (as DK should have done from the start), so no one had to suffer through the atual exploit.

That would mean SuperPenguin would be the direct cause for the patch, and not me, and you praise him? I thought you didn't want patches.

And yes, ihatett, Blizzard HAD a choice to patch it or not, and they chose to patch it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by uberfoop on 2005-08-12 at 11:38:50
yah, i found out last night in a game that a few eud conditions still work lol. all of the actions are #$@%ed though. but conditions arent half as useful as the actions. anything you can do with stuff like research detecting conditions can be done with similar effects by having an scv in a corner making an academy. and hp detection really is pretty useless. theres a few situations where u could use it, but not many.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 11:43:05
HP detection could be for a micro map or something, where the computer could pull back units if they have low HP, microing the players.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Disruptive_Idiot on 2005-08-12 at 11:45:35
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 12 2005, 11:43 AM)
HP detection could be for a micro map or something, where the computer could pull back units if they have low HP, microing the players.
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Also in a D&D style RPG where you can have the character have a contingency heal spell that casts when their health hits a certain level.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Commanda_Panda on 2005-08-12 at 12:05:07
I just really wanted the Any Unit Shields and the display players names... Oh well blizzard know what they are doing......... most of the time
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ihatett_da_hated on 2005-08-12 at 12:08:00
QUOTE(Irto_O @ Aug 12 2005, 09:01 AM)
My 1.13 replays all of them works... I tested about 5 replays mellow.gif
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Some are corrupted. It's like 1.12.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SI on 2005-08-12 at 12:18:45
Replays shouldn't be corrupted by this change
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-08-12 at 12:25:04
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Some are corrupted. It's like 1.12.

Complain to Blizzard, not me, newbie.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ihatett_da_hated on 2005-08-12 at 12:54:25
QUOTE(Deathknight @ Aug 12 2005, 10:25 AM)
Complain to Blizzard, not me, newbie.
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No, I'll complain to the guy finding exploits and releasing them to everyone instead of going directly to Blizzard or keeping them to himself.


This isn't your game to screw around with.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2005-08-12 at 12:58:48
QUOTE(ihatett_da_hated @ Aug 12 2005, 10:54 AM)
No, I'll complain to the guy finding exploits and releasing them to everyone instead of going directly to Blizzard or keeping them to himself.
This isn't your game to screw around with.
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It's just as much his game as it is your game.
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