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Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-12-06 at 21:58:14
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So why not Iran (again)? They support terrorism even more!
Afterall the mullahs (religious leaders) there said that they'd destroy the U.S., if they had the chance.


Hopefully they are next O_o

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No, u didn't. U only entered in it's final stages. The U.S. helped a lot, I grant that. If it wasn't 4 U.S. intervention, we'd (Europe) be Axis land now.
But u only joined when Hitler declared officially war on the U.S. and when Europe was 'bout 2 fall. Then the Japs came... the rest is history, we'd all say.


That comment makes no sense. I said we dominated in WW2. You said no we didn't dominate...but we won the war for Europe. WTF?

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Sure... links taken from news sites n' others. What u have 2 tell urself...
Interesting. Dumb but interesting never the less. I still lack 2 see some links of urs provin' ur stuff up.


IF you read you'd have seen that I said I don't even watch the news. I know the little my history teacher says while i'm not asleep. Everything I'm saying is either my opinion or something I heard in class.


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"... I never stated a fact. ..." That explains it all.  So why do u continue (ur attempts) 2 pushing it further down?


I JUST said that i'm posting my opinions. My thoughts on things. Defending the President I voted for.

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Sterotypes... again. U're refering 2 the fanatized muslims. Not the rest of'em.
Sometimes it seems that they stopped in time. By Mahomed's (the prophet) death. 4 instance see the law where if u steal with ur right hand n' get caught, they'll cut it down. It still works in some muslim states... unfortunetly.


How is that sterotype? That IS their believe and he said he could IMAGINE that SOME might feel that we are in their land for oil or w/e. And wtf are you talking about that law for. What does that have to do with anything said.

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How about looking 4 the real guilty party (Osama)!?!

Fighting a war against an enemy they could identify? That's a laugh! How about Iran n' N.Korea? They were far more dangerous 2 the U.S. than Iraq was.
Bush diverting attentions... again.


Wtf do you think we have been doing. Also, the people who piloted the planes that crashed into the twin towers weren't korean...We are going after the orgnization that did that. Also, you don't know the presiden'ts plans for korea.


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Look here. A former CIA agent says it blatantly.

Come again!?! The U.S. only helps other countries? The war on Iraq not being approved by the U.N. is what? A sci-fi fairy tale!?!
Another fella with illusions... or brainwashing. U're not on Valium, u're on LSD. The hallucinations explain it.

U being a masochist is the only explanation I came up with 4 wanting Bush in the white seat for 4 more years.


That agent is a censored.gif . And we ARE helping Iraq. We aren't hurting them by getting rid of a sadistic leader who made their lives hell...(well except for the people that belonged to his religion). Why are we brainwashed becase we support the war? Maybe YOU'RE brainwashed by all the celebs and news who Bush bash... You're last comment was to stupid to even respond to it.


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See my links on the Iraq oil crap n' many others... as said a million times be4!
If u want also link on the Halliburton scandal, here it is. Just 2 of'em, in case any1 comes with the freaking essays excuse again.


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This is plain... lame. See my replies above on why. Iran or N.Korea any1?
Ending daddy's war perhaps?


You don't even respond to half the posts on here. All you say is some gay smiley face and links above hehehe...look at my posts above plz hehehe. You think you're big censored.gif because you can use google to search up some crap? If I weren't so lazy I could do the same.

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But any1 in Iraq asked 4 help at the time (March 2002)? And whom?
Stop the  censored.gif ty excuses, please.


Just because they didn't ask doesn't mean they didn't need help...stop the gayness, please

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U're so gullible in believing that. See the latest news 4 once at least. The 2nd round of the Ukraine elections was just declared 2 have been rigged. Putin's puppet in Ukraine has 2 do it again. What a shame...


K? That doesn't prove that the soviet union is still around...because it isn't.


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Bush is also the first president to have an attack like the one that took place on sept. 11th. And IRAQ didnt attack us so we are "helping" the iraqi people by getting rid of these terrori sts who are using their country as a battlefield. I put qoutations because we intentionally went there to get rid of saddam and rebuild the country and then these terrorists came in and started f**king things up so what our military is going to do is purge as many of these people as they can from iraq. In doing that, the iraqis are being aided and they will have one of the most advanced countries when this whole thing is over, no matter how long it takes.


I didn't say that...ger your quotes right retard.


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Childish play. The sunnites are the 1's in question. See my reply(ies) above 4 the rest.

Infantile move. Didn't lose the election, since I'm not even an U.S. citizen... even more gladlier, nowadays.
And if u didn't realized already, read this thread's title...


If you don't care enough that the election was won by bush because you aren't a us citizen...then why do you care enought to post on this thread? And what does the name of the thread have to do with anything? The creator of the thread is obviously anti bush, therefore he voted for Kerry...therefore he lost the election. Duh


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As for "America playing a major part in europe in WWII"...

Canadians played a greater role in it than the Americans.



LMFAO. Want to know why so many canadians died/ got captured? Because they can't fuggin fight lmao! jk. But you CAN'T say that america didn't woop ass in WW2.


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You'd really trust a Texan to be intelligent compared to one living in New York or California?



yes...that is a screwed up comment btw. There are tons of very very good schools in Texas.


wtf why didn't my quotes go green ~IP: You had an extra quote tag in there and screwed up your entire post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-12-07 at 10:32:47
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Obviously conflicting statistics from the same site makes the site's information invalid. However, I believe you are just reading it wrong. ...

... see my post up ^ (I'll be like you)


No, I'm not. I just followed the site's browsing tips.
And handle statistics every month (accidents in my companies contruction sites), so I've considered myself with experience in that field.

I actually post stuff after seeing other fellas points of view. Since I got statistics that contradict ur own, I think that the site isn't a sure source. Not counting with the farm workers was what set me off to try the sites liability... wink.gif
If u want to know I don't trust my own government's statistics site, especially the part related 2 my trade. Statistics can be bent, depending on the source of the data and methods used. smile.gif

QUOTE(Prologic)
... Plus, of course unemployment number rate will go up as population increases.

Another note: Explain why this is a big deal if other countries have WORSE unemployment %s ...


It simply goes in cicles. Remind also the fellas that retire at the same time. happy.gif

Just 'cause u have a larger population. Especially when it's unemployed during times of war. Social policies were dealt to 2nd place and it shouldn't have been that way.

QUOTE(Snipa)
Basaan hes right u didnt prove anything at all with the loss of jobs. First of all, I am 16 and quit my job at McDonald's because they couldn't find a permanent spot for me and I havent been to work in a year....I am a little lazy tongue.gif So there goes your statistics...


Oh... yes, I did.
That the site wasn't fully reliable. And that social policies during the Bush administration got worse dealt with than in the Clinton period.
And u just quitting ur job due 2 lack of an insured place of employment in their pay role is a proof of it.

QUOTE(M.Army)
Not entirely true. Bush did win Texas. That's like the 2nd most populous state in the U.S. And dont forget Ohio and Florida...


This Ohio!?! Thanks but no thanks. dry.gif

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QUOTE(Prologic)
I never said 'unemployment is not a big deal' in the context that its not important, what i meant was its not a big deal with President Bush. The economy was fine.. then 9/11.. then the economy was bad... President Bush's fault? No. keywords there:: "THEN 9/11"


Unfortunetly, yeah. Social policies aren't a big deal for Bush. So what else is new? See my link on statistics n' u'll see that the decreasing already came before the 9/11th. So ur logic is flawed... from the start. blink.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
Hopefully they are next O_o


If u (U.S.) say to evaluate the threat level and strike the most important 1st u should've went there a long time ago. (Right after Afghanistan and the Taliban hunt.) disgust.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
That comment makes no sense. I said we dominated in WW2. You said no we didn't dominate...but we won the war for Europe. WTF?


Godly attitude!?! Guess so. The world doesn't swirl 'round the U.S.
Recall all the other allies? Guess not. It was a joint effort. Start checking facts n' maybe u'll learn somethin'! pinch.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
IF you read you'd have seen that I said I don't even watch the news. I know the little my history teacher says while i'm not asleep. Everything I'm saying is either my opinion or something I heard in class.


QUOTE(Pears)
I JUST said that i'm posting my opinions. My thoughts on things. Defending the President I voted for.


Msg received n' point taken.
For a time now I know that it's hard to back-up stated stuff that isn't quite so.
I'll stop my quarrel with you 'till you know how to back-up what u state at least.
If you want to be taken seriously in this section, u'll have to at least know what you're talking with certainty (back it up if necessary, is definetly a must). dry.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
How is that sterotype? That IS their believe and he said he could IMAGINE that SOME might feel that we are in their land for oil or w/e.


See my link on interests in Iraq oil. I dare you to prove it otherwise, if u say it's a lie.
You're begginin' to get me out of the serious with your allegations. mad.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
Wtf do you think we have been doing. Also, the people who piloted the planes that crashed into the twin towers weren't korean...We are going after the orgnization that did that. Also, you don't know the presiden'ts plans for korea.


I know that they weren't Koreans.

Proofs, please. Prove me when Osama was in Iraq (since 9/11th that is). ranting.gif

Same as you. The U.S. should insured that they (N.Korea) wouldn't continue the nuclear tech research after signing that threaty.

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QUOTE(Pears)
That agent is a censored.gif. ...


Why you Bush lovers find it so hard to hear Richard Clarke and that fella now? Maybe 'cause they're right n' can prove what they state?
Prove it otherwise... again.

QUOTE(Pears)
... And we ARE helping Iraq. ...


'Helping' without the initial consent of the U.N. is merely an act of war. Plain n' simple. Nothing u can say gonna prove it otherwise. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
... We aren't hurting them by getting rid of a sadistic leader who made their lives hell...(well except for the people that belonged to his religion). ...


As I said before it should have been done in '91. Not now, as a mere diverting tactic from the Bush administration!
Iran? Fine by me. They've been asking for it even more than Iraqi leaders (Saddam).

QUOTE(Pears)
... Why are we brainwashed becase we support the war? Maybe YOU'RE brainwashed by all the celebs and news who Bush bash... ...


I search, see both sides opinions' and then make my mind on wich it seems the more accurate. You on the other hand... ermm.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
... You're last comment was to stupid to even respond to it.


Thus you tried either way. You're so lazy that u can't even search for ur own and seek what's best. Therefore you stick with what the majority (population) got for u... rolleyes.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
You don't even respond to half the posts on here. All you say is some gay smiley face and links above hehehe...look at my posts above plz hehehe. You think you're big  censored.gif  because you can use google to search up some crap? If I weren't so lazy I could do the same.


That's the point. I answered most of the stuff u brought before, so I'm not goin' 2 bother to fetch it back again. If u're lazy enough that u can't even go back and see the proof I presented, it's not my fault.
Even more since u can't prove any censored.gif ty allegations u say.

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QUOTE(Pears)
Just because they didn't ask doesn't mean they didn't need help...stop the gayness, please


Don't insult the gay folks. It should have been done many years back ('91).
My link on oil interests should clear somethin' up. Or the invisible WMD's. Hans Blix personel reports, anyone?

Is it just me or any of you saw any evidences presentes by coallition forces of WMD's in Iraq recently? Especially since March 2003. (It wasn't in 2002 the war started but in '03. It was a small mistake of mine.) interested.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
That doesn't prove that the soviet union is still around...because it isn't.


Stop the presses. What a news flash... or not!
I didn't even said that, just that the Ukraine fella initially elected had tendencies to reunite to Russia. And that he was a Putin follower sorta speak. disgust.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
I didn't say that...ger your quotes right retard.


For once you got one right. It was from Snipa, the adrenalin buddy.

And tks 4 the correction, numbskull. (If you insult and lower the debate level, so can I. Afterall u're allowing me to do that also.) bleh.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
If you don't care enough that the election was won by bush because you aren't a us citizen...then why do you care enought to post on this thread? And what does the name of the thread have to do with anything? The creator of the thread is obviously anti bush, therefore he voted for Kerry...therefore he lost the election. Duh


Curious... U said the same in post #141. And u still hang around. Why?

And I do care. Just 'cause the dimwit (Bush, if didn't realized already) may drag the U.S. into another world war. Any of us (I think) doesn't want that. Or will you? crazy.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
yes...that is a screwed up comment btw. There are tons of very very good schools in Texas.


He's not speaking of schools. Screwed comment is yours.
I suppose he's talkin' of the average I.Q. level. See my link on it too. *Hint, hint*

Side Note: Again the max limits try 2 restrain my responses. Sorry if it get's somewhat long to read.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2004-12-07 at 11:48:21
QUOTE(basen)
Woa buddy... How about some Valium? Calm down n' post it better (short sentences, grammar, the works basically).
This is the serious discussion area, not the dump incomprehensible text area (aka garbage section).

omfg... don't talk about grammar when you constantly replace to as 2, about for 'bout, before as be4, you as u... and the list goes on... and on.... and on, as does your posts. They are just fugly to read.

QUOTE(prologic)
Plus, of course unemployment number rate will go up as population increases.

To beat this to death some more, as population increases, demand increases for products/services which increases jobs. Four people can handle 500 people a day at mcd's. If the population raises another 500 people, to all which like mcd's everyday, mcd's would have to hire another 4 people. All other products/services would have to hire more people likewise (stores, schools, toliet paper manufacturers, etc).

QUOTE(prologic)
I never said 'unemployment is not a big deal' in the context that its not important, what i meant was its not a big deal with President Bush. The economy was fine.. then 9/11.. then the economy was bad... President Bush's fault? No. keywords there:: "THEN 9/11"

How exactly does two towers kill the economy nationwide? I'd love to know.

Scanning...
We aren't helping Iraq at all...
Scanning...
Yes, bush is a moron...
Scanning...
This thread is getting as stupid as bush...

I seriously need to find out what's wrong with quotes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-12-07 at 11:57:43
QUOTE(Isolated_Purity)
omfg... don't talk about grammar when you constantly replace to as 2, about for 'bout, before as be4, you as u... and the list goes on... and on.... and on, as does your posts. They are just fugly to read.


Those are acronyms. But if they create trouble in reading, I'll try to post without'em. (As I've been trying to do lately.) wink.gif
And my post are easier to read than his, I can almost bet on that. All I wanted is for him (Snipa) to do chunks of his sentences into smaller bits that would became easier to read and therefore to reply. And some other minor adjustments (like paragraphs when changing subject)... happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-07 at 15:45:35
Ok. For the 9/11 attack, that was entirely the US's fault. They US payed jews to get an army to get rid of the people in their old homeland(which was Osama's censored.gif before the Jews attacked), then Osama got pissed off at the US so he bombed the World Trade Center. Well the US also payed the jews to get a lot of oil there, you see the US ALSO attacked Iraq(more oil), to set up a government that would give oil to the US. See how it works? OIL MONEY OIL MONEY MONEY MONEY BUSH MONEY OIL BUSH MONEY...

As for America barely taking place in the war, my facts are pretty straight...


TIME PERIOD OF WAR

.......V--Canada joins war right here
Start------------------------------------------------------------------END
..............................................USA joins war right here--^
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-07 at 16:04:37
Sept 10, 1939 - Canada declares war on Germany; Battle of the Atlantic begins.

Dec 8, 1941 - United States and Britain declare war on Japan.

interesting...all you people are basically telling us to get out of iraq...and yet, canada was one of the first to join WWII, though they had no reason to join, american at least had to avenge pearl harbor, and your timeline is so correct[/sarcasm]

April 18, 1945 - German forces in the Ruhr surrender.

May 2, 1945 - German troops in Italy surrender.

Aug 14, 1945 - Japanese agree to unconditional surrender.

interesting, the timline shows the U.S. joining in at the end, though we were about 2 years after canada, and the war ended almost 4 years after the U.S. joined...nice timeline
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-07 at 16:10:14
Well the timeline is pretty accurate for WW1...

No reason to join? Their allies were being attacked.

Actually, since Americans think "no reason" is a good reason, then it's perfectly logical. Right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-07 at 18:24:59
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 7 2004, 03:45 PM)
Ok. For the 9/11 attack, that was entirely the US's fault. They US payed jews to get an army to get rid of the people in their old homeland(which was Osama's  censored.gif  before the Jews attacked), then Osama got pissed off at the US so he bombed the World Trade Center. Well the US also payed the jews to get a lot of oil there, you see the US ALSO attacked Iraq(more oil), to set up a government that would give oil to the US. See how it works? OIL MONEY OIL MONEY MONEY MONEY BUSH MONEY OIL BUSH MONEY...

As for America barely taking place in the war, my facts are pretty straight...
TIME PERIOD OF WAR

.......V--Canada joins war right here
Start------------------------------------------------------------------END
..............................................USA joins war right here--^
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Wow, when did we pay "Jews" to get rid of people in their old homeland? I was taught that Osama attacked us because he doesn't like how we live. He thinks we have no morals (ect...) well, at least he thinks that. Now, he didn't want all the young people of Afganistan to watch MTV and stuff so he attacked us. Again with the "Jews" wtf we didn't pay "Jews" why does it have to be "Jews" they are people not classified on their religion. I don't call you a "Catholic" or w/e religion you are. That's pretty rude; I mean im not Jewish but, it its pretty goddamn stereotypical what you said. I think we attacked Iraq for the oil but, the coverup was that Saddam had WMD. Now, for your timeline. i would say more like

.......V--Canada joins war right here.................|----------| = 1 year
Start|----------||----------||----------||----------||----------||----------|END
..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,....-.-.-.--.--.-^USA joins war right here--

But thats probably still inaccurate. I will try to find a accurate timeline for you. Since you don't know much and need a colorful and pretty one.

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QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 7 2004, 04:10 PM)
Well the timeline is pretty accurate for WW1...

No reason to join? Their allies were being attacked.

Actually, since Americans think "no reason" is a good reason, then it's perfectly logical. Right?
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Well, weren't you talking about WWII? So, wtf did you change it to WWI. When i thought you coulden't get any dumber. USA attacked for no reason? We did. WOW i thought it was because Hitler was a bad person and Japan was an evil country. So, no reason? I think not. I guess YOU think no reason is a good reason. You have no reason to post in this topic. But, that is a good reason and that is why you keep posting. mad.gif Dumb people make me sick. puke.gif puke.gif argue.gif
.............................................................................................................................................................................................you>>O_o

ADDITION: Actually Neo's timeline was accurate so i guess i don't need to find one.

ADDITION: Want to know whats funny? How Bush makes up words like strategery. biggrin.gif
Neo lol you can't copy right the part of your name neo!! lol Neo Inc. heh
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-12-07 at 21:08:26
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.......V--Canada joins war right here
Start------------------------------------------------------------------END
..............................................USA joins war right here--^


Notice that when USA joined...the war ended =D


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Godly attitude!?! Guess so. The world doesn't swirl 'round the U.S.
Recall all the other allies? Guess not. It was a joint effort. Start checking facts n' maybe u'll learn somethin'!


You are twisting my words. I was merely replying because your post contradicted itself.

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Msg received n' point taken.
For a time now I know that it's hard to back-up stated stuff that isn't quite so.
I'll stop my quarrel with you 'till you know how to back-up what u state at least.
If you want to be taken seriously in this section, u'll have to at least know what you're talking with certainty (back it up if necessary, is definetly a must).


I need to back up what i state? Ok here it is...i'm backing it up...because it is my opinion. I haven't really posted lots of facts.

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Stop the presses. What a news flash... or not!
I didn't even said that, just that the Ukraine fella initially elected had tendencies to reunite to Russia. And that he was a Putin follower sorta speak.


Well I didn't say anything but that the Soviet Union no longer existed (I was talking so some other kid that brought it up in the first place) and you just had to reply to that with some stupid random fact or w/e.


But ya, I guess since I don't post any facts or do any actual searching for information, I don't really have a right to post on this thread. I was just putting my opinion and I get yelled at. Makes me wonder if you are more closeminded than I am.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2004-12-07 at 21:11:39
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 7 2004, 02:45 PM)
Ok. For the 9/11 attack, that was entirely the US's fault. They US payed jews to get an army to get rid of the people in their old homeland(which was Osama's  censored.gif  before the Jews attacked), then Osama got pissed off at the US so he bombed the World Trade Center. Well the US also payed the jews to get a lot of oil there, you see the US ALSO attacked Iraq(more oil), to set up a government that would give oil to the US. See how it works? OIL MONEY OIL MONEY MONEY MONEY BUSH MONEY OIL BUSH MONEY...

As for America barely taking place in the war, my facts are pretty straight...
TIME PERIOD OF WAR

.......V--Canada joins war right here
Start------------------------------------------------------------------END
..............................................USA joins war right here--^
[right][snapback]107609[/snapback][/right]


Well, i dont think it was our fault that gay ass middle easterns hijacked 4 of our planes with cardboard cutters and flew em into our buildings. You're blaming us for that??!?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PrOLoGiC on 2004-12-07 at 23:46:42
We have been helping Israel long before Bush was president. I believe we help Israel so much is because of the blessing that the God of the Jews gives them> "Who ever blesses you will be blessed, and whoever curses you will be cursed"

Pretty self-explanationary but theres a reason why the U.S is so rich, its the only country that helps Israel. Recently, a growing hatred of the jews has been growing in America, as our country slowly gets worse and worse... coincidence? I dunno. Maybe we are losing "God's blessing."

Bush doesn't do the things for money, he has a big oil business, there's no reason for him to make more money for himself.

On the other hand, I think America deserves the oil in Iraq due to what we are doing over there. --- Rebuilding the infrastructure. ---
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2004-12-08 at 22:23:57
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...sp?story=591171

New story I saw on google.com

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"I was never clear on who the enemy was..."


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"We were shooting up people as they got out of their cars trying to put their hands up"


These quotes are from a person who went to Iraq to fight. Legitimate war my ass. :/

added just for new post and crap, you know, actually do your research happy.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2004-12-08 at 22:48:30
QUOTE(CheeZe(U) @ Dec 8 2004, 09:23 PM)
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americ...sp?story=591171

New story I saw on google.com
These quotes are from a person who went to Iraq to fight. Legitimate war my ass. :/

added just for new post and crap, you know, actually do your research happy.gif
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Yup, proof that our american soldiers have gone corrupt after being in iraq for so long.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Basan on 2004-12-09 at 15:15:59
QUOTE(N.Nightmare)
interesting...all you people are basically telling us to get out of iraq...and yet, canada was one of the first to join WWII, though they had no reason to join, american at least had to avenge pearl harbor, and your timeline is so correct[/sarcasm]


That was a W.W. that the Allies (of that time) didn't start. Hitler did. Thus a response to it was called upon.
The recent Iraq war wasn't. See the difference!?! I seriously hope so. ermm.gif

QUOTE(Pears)
You are twisting my words. I was merely replying because your post contradicted itself.


No, I didn't. You said (that the U.S.) dominated in W.W.2 but that isn't exactly the truth.
I didn't contradicted myself. See the D-Day story. Before that, your (U.S.) help in Europe was important but not essential to win the war. Recall the there were more beaches in D-day then Omaha n' Utah (code named). wink.gif
About the timeline I'm not gonna even bother to search and mess in the debate.

QUOTE(Pears)
I need to back up what i state? Ok here it is...i'm backing it up...because it is my opinion. I haven't really posted lots of facts.


No point in discussing it. You continuously go around in circle logic. See my example, if you want to. (Proof is actually findin' another sources that support what u state. That if you still didn't grasped the concept. mad.gif)

QUOTE(Pears)
Well I didn't say anything but that the Soviet Union no longer existed (I was talking so some other kid that brought it up in the first place) and you just had to reply to that with some stupid random fact or w/e.


But you realize that the Ukraine candidate poisoned (Viktor Yushchenko) is not the Putin favourite to be the Ukraine President. Seems a lot like the KGB methods (current GRU), doesn't it?
And Putin acted like if it was still part of Russia when he headed there just to support the other candidate. You know, the pro-Russia reunion one. disgust.gif
Hence my replies to it. I don't want to see a new USSR, or worse, in Putin's hands.

QUOTE(Pears)
But ya, I guess since I don't post any facts or do any actual searching for information, I don't really have a right to post on this thread. I was just putting my opinion and I get yelled at. Makes me wonder if you are more closeminded than I am.


If you didn't realized already, I didn't yelled at you. Did you saw any CAPS sentences from me to you? blink.gif
All I did was ask for you to prove what you state. And you didn't.
On the other hand one of your 1st remarks here where:
QUOTE(Pears in post 141)
Oh and if you plan on yelling at me or whatever don't waste your time because I am done with this thread. It sickens me that you people can be so against your country. Stop being such whiney baby sore losers. Take after Kerry (since your so damn in love with him) and accept that you lost and give it up; congradulate the winner and bow down. No you'd rather censored.gif and complain about something you cannot change. I can't wait until Bush makes awesome changes to this country so you can realize how stupid and childish you are acting.


And you call me more narrow minded than you!?! That's a laugh! pinch.gif
Don't provoke me, ok?

QUOTE(M.Army)
Yup, proof that our american soldiers have gone corrupt after being in iraq for so long.


Corrupt isn't the exact word I'd put it... low caliber is more like it. dry.gif

And not for so long as well. Bad skills in mingling (with the population) is my point. My countries' troops there are the only ones that didn't suffered any casualty so far. I just wonder why... rolleyes.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-09 at 15:27:53
basan, in my ealrier post, you took the "this is rhetorical" from context, it was supposed to be for the "why did past presidents win"

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Dec 7 2004, 09:11 PM)
Well, i dont think it was our fault that gay ass middle easterns hijacked 4 of our planes with cardboard cutters and flew em into our buildings. You're blaming us for that??!?
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hey buddy, im fuc censored.gif middle eastern, but im a Catholic, call those people Extremist Muslims Terrorist, so dont call me a fuc censored.gif "gay ass middle eastern", sorry for flaming, but i can only take so much of people dissing all of us in general, when it was extremist groups that cause the problems
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-09 at 15:42:12
Let me explain something.

QUOTE(NeoNightmareX)
all you people are basically telling us to get out of iraq...and yet, canada was one of the first to join WWII, though they had no reason to join

QUOTE(Ðeathknight)
Actually, since Americans think "no reason" is a good reason, then it's perfectly logical. Right?

QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
USA attacked for no reason? We did. WOW i thought it was because Hitler was a bad person and Japan was an evil country. So, no reason? I think not. I guess YOU think no reason is a good reason.

Simpsons, you just described the "good reason" for Canadians joining in WWII. No, I don't think no reason is a good reason. Why didn't you crack down on Neo then? He posted saying that Canada (and basically the US) had no reason to join the war. Canada and the US both had perfectly good reasons.

QUOTE(Ðeathknight)
.......V--Canada joins war right here
Start------------------------------------------------------------------END
..............................................USA joins war right here--^

QUOTE(PearS)
Notice that when USA joined...the war ended =D

Funny how you critisize this. Isn't it really American of me?

QUOTE(Fact of Dieppe Raid)
Although only 50 American troops were involved in the raid, newspapers in the US reported it as an American attack and Canadian involvement was barely mentioned


QUOTE(Ðeathknight)
Well the timeline is pretty accurate for WW1...

QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
Well, weren't you talking about WWII? So, wtf did you change it to WWI. When i thought you coulden't get any dumber.

That's good that you cought my "Bush act". Too bad you didn't support him, or I would have to say "You're critisizing me for saying that, yet you voted for Bush. How is that logical if I acted just like him? I thought you loved Bush."


QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
Again with the "Jews" wtf we didn't pay "Jews" why does it have to be "Jews" they are people not classified on their religion. I don't call you a "Catholic" or w/e religion you are. That's pretty rude; I mean im not Jewish but, it its pretty goddamn stereotypical what you said.

It was Jews because they were being persecuted in Europe, then the US felt sorry for them and they were paid. Saying that they were Jews is not stereotypical, it's a fact.

QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
You have no reason to post in this topic. But, that is a good reason and that is why you keep posting.  Dumb people make me sick.

Dumb people make me sick too, but aparently everyone who posted in this topic had no reason to. Or is it that you think you have more of a reason to? Is it your user title? "Has nothing else better to do"? Is that a reason? You must have a sad life if you have nothing better to do...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-09 at 16:02:39
QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 9 2004, 03:42 PM)
Why didn't you crack down on Neo then?
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i'm quiet surprised by this myself shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif but we attack Japan first, because of Pearl Harbor...that was our reason for joining WWII
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-09 at 16:23:42
In your post 230 can you please explain the "Jew" thing again....

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That's good that you cought my "Bush act". Too bad you didn't support him, or I would have to say "You're critisizing me for saying that, yet you voted for Bush. How is that logical if I acted just like him? I thought you loved Bush."

I'm still trying to figure out what this means...? Are you trying to say i like BusH?

QUOTE(Ðeathknight @ Dec 9 2004, 03:42 PM)
Let me explain something.
It was Jews because they were being persecuted in Europe, then the US felt sorry for them and they were paid. Saying that they were Jews is not stereotypical, it's a fact.



QUOTE(n2o-Simpsons)
Or is it that you think you have more of a reason to? Is it your user title? "Has nothing else better to do"? Is that a reason? You must have a sad life if you have nothing better to do...
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That is what it says when you get to my amount of post. I didn't create it. Theirs sumthing in one of the forums that tells you what it says for the amount of post.

BTW I'm sorry for calling you dumb. You're not it's just i don't agree with you. mellow.gif did you want bush to win btW?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-12-09 at 16:27:40
I haven't read any of the posts in this topic and I don't intend to, but I realized something important recently that fits into this conversation, I hope.

It seems to me that the Democrats want big government, government that will control the every day lives of the people. This is an undeniable fact.

I believe that there is a problem here. The Democrats have clearly lost the value of freedom, and would throw it away on a whim. I however, have not. The Democrats did not have to put up a candidate who had the same beliefs about government as the stereotypical extremist liberal, but they did anyway. I don't know what, but they chose to pit someone who hated America vs. someone who started an unpopular war. Basically, here's what it cames down to.

Bush Supporters - People who value freedom, and will accept the war in Iraq.
Kerry Supporters - People willing to give up freedom as long as we get out of Iraq.

Personally these two things are both terrible, and I'm surprised the Democrats managed to find a candidate with a chance of losing to George Bush. It all depends on what you value more, the lives of American soldiers, or freedom and the spread of Democracy.

Also, if you would rather keep a few American soldiers rather than have freedom and democracy, you are retarded. These same people also like to dishonor those soldiers. The soldiers themselves make it worse by saying they did not want to fight America's enemies. Well, why are you in the United States military then? These people are hypocritical.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-09 at 16:34:01
Kerry was't going to get rid of our freedom wtf are you talking about. He wouldent even have enough power to be able to do that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by NeoNightmareX on 2004-12-09 at 16:34:44
actually sala, back during America's Revolutionary War, people valued both freedom and the soldier's lives, we (Republiccans) value soldiers and freedom, but we value freedom in a different kind of way, we value it enough to spread it to other countries who have been living under fear of cruel dictators, we are giving them a chance to work for their futures like the early Americans did
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2004-12-09 at 16:41:21
QUOTE(NeoNightmareX @ Dec 9 2004, 04:34 PM)
actually sala, back during America's Revolutionary War, people valued both freedom and the soldier's lives, we (Republiccans) value soldiers and freedom, but we value freedom in a different kind of way, we value it enough to spread it to other countries who have been living under fear of cruel dictators, we are giving them a chance to work for their futures like the early Americans did
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The reason we attacked saddam was because of WMD.Right? Well the only reason were trying to make it a democracy is because we have their leader. so we can't just leave them. Do you think they will have this down perfecltly in the next few months or in this year. Americans havent even gotten it down right and its been hundreds of years. Now, the Iraqis have to get this down quickly... We don't have to go into other countries to make them democracy. -=God, kind of like controll freaks. EVERYone MUSt BE DeMOCrACY.!!!.! Or else WE WILL KIll THEm!!-=
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-09 at 17:38:46
No, I wasn't saying you like Bush. And sorry for my last line.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SaLaCiouS(U) on 2004-12-09 at 17:53:10
NewNightmareX, there were no republicans during the revolutionary war. The republican party was founded just before the civil war, and they were *democrats*. In the 1950's the parties basically just switched names, so the Republicans of today were known as Democrats when the party was originally created in the 1850's.

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Kerry was't going to get rid of our freedom wtf are you talking about. He wouldent even have enough power to be able to do that.


Being the President of the United States is not about money, people take teh position because they like the power. And it is a lot of power. It takes a 2/3 majority vote from congress to override a bill signed by the President. He can do whatever he wants for the most part. As a liberal, Kerry would give more power to the government to monitor the lives of American citizens and restrict our rights such as bearing arms. That's what someone so liberal as him would do.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2004-12-09 at 18:01:36
Ok. You bear arms to kill. People have the right to live. Now explain exactly why someone would need to carry guns and buy guns? People do not have the right to bear arms. That's what freedom is about, peace, right to live, etc.
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