Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-14 at 11:46:51
QUOTE(Screwed @ Jun 10 2006, 04:19 PM)
So, do you believe torture to be justified during a national security crisis? (please don't just say yes/no, this is a discussion)
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No. Torture is inhumane, and unjustified in all aspects.
Is it right to put people through tremendous amounts of pain because of their ethnicity, or patriotism to their country? Is it right to bring someone to an inch of death, just because we want information from them?
In my opinion, No. How can you justify harming someone? Even during a "National Security Crisis"?
The only National Security Crisis we have, is the Bush Administration.
But No. To me, torture can NEVER be justified.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-14 at 11:56:36
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Jun 14 2006, 06:46 PM)
No. Torture is inhumane, and unjustified in all aspects.
Is it right to put people through tremendous amounts of pain because of their ethnicity, or patriotism to their country? Is it right to bring someone to an inch of death, just because we want information from them?
In my opinion, No. How can you justify harming someone? Even during a "National Security Crisis"?
The only National Security Crisis we have, is the Bush Administration.
But No. To me, torture can NEVER be justified.
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Is it right to put people through tremendous amounts of pain because of their ethnicity, or patriotism to their country? Is it right to bring someone to an inch of death, just because we want information from them?
In my opinion, No. How can you justify harming someone? Even during a "National Security Crisis"?
The only National Security Crisis we have, is the Bush Administration.
But No. To me, torture can NEVER be justified.
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Would you torture a terrorist if you know that he holds information, obtaining which can save hundreds of lives and stop a terror act?
Do you think that putting a person under drugs so he talks is torture ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-14 at 12:57:45
QUOTE(Jammed @ Jun 14 2006, 08:56 AM)
Would you torture a terrorist if you know that he holds information, obtaining which can save hundreds of lives and stop a terror act?
Do you think that putting a person under drugs so he talks is torture ?
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Do you think that putting a person under drugs so he talks is torture ?
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But who gives anyone the right to deem someone a terrorist? Because they fight for what they believe in? And it's against what we believe in? That makes them a terrorist?
We are terrorists. Believe it or not, we are.
And yes: Drugging someone is torture in my opinion. You are influencing their concious mind against their will; Thus, it's torture.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-14 at 13:00:01
QUOTE(Kellodood @ Jun 14 2006, 07:57 PM)
But who gives anyone the right to deem someone a terrorist? Because they fight for what they believe in? And it's against what we believe in? That makes them a terrorist?
We are terrorists. Believe it or not, we are.
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We are terrorists. Believe it or not, we are.
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I will rephrase the question:
Would you torture any person if you know that he holds information, obtaining which can save hundreds of lives and stop a mass murder of children in a kindergarden ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-14 at 13:21:44
If you knew how to interigate, you would not have to torture.
So my opinion still stands.
So my opinion still stands.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-14 at 13:27:22
QUOTE(Kellodood @ Jun 14 2006, 08:21 PM)
If you knew how to interigate, you would not have to torture.
Interigatating doesen't allways give results. Some people don't break under pressure, but may break when their balls get a hit.
I don't think that torture is right, but they use it becawse they can't get the information out any other way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-14 at 13:32:15
nope!
the person below me has been on sen for about 2 months?
the person below me has been on sen for about 2 months?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EzDay281 on 2006-06-14 at 14:29:47
Normally, I'd be one of those that will insist that the option that results in least suffering or death total -- in this case, torture, depending on the circumstances -- but I simply cannot claim that I would give torture a pass. Of course, this depends quite heavily on your definition of torture, as has been stated, but of course, that's what personal judgement and testing is for.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-06-14 at 15:58:01
Whats one mans suffering compared to dozens, hundreds or even thousands of lives?
not to sound self-centered, but if they we're Torturing some terrorist in order to stop a Terrorist attack on Northwestern Pennsylvania (I know, its unlikely, but its where i live) and me and Thousands of others will die if they dont, Then yeah. go ahead and torture him to get information.
not to sound self-centered, but if they we're Torturing some terrorist in order to stop a Terrorist attack on Northwestern Pennsylvania (I know, its unlikely, but its where i live) and me and Thousands of others will die if they dont, Then yeah. go ahead and torture him to get information.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by VizuaL on 2006-06-14 at 16:41:32
false, a year
the person below me is falcon? (that illegitimate child passed me in post counts in this topic)
the person below me is falcon? (that illegitimate child passed me in post counts in this topic)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-14 at 16:49:26
My mom could hear it when my speakers were pretty loud and she was next to me. When she was about 10 feet away speakers at same volume she couldnt hear it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-14 at 16:55:01
Nope its me and I am about 300 behind you
the person below me is above me too
the person below me is above me too
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cruzo on 2006-06-14 at 17:47:15
I have four speakers placed around my room, I played it as loud as I can and my brother was like what the hell? And the pets were freaking out, and my mom and dad didn't hear anything.
I agree that this is a pretty dull idea, I think this is why they invented vibrate. Ecxept that this doesn't make any noise when laying on a table or something.
I agree that this is a pretty dull idea, I think this is why they invented vibrate. Ecxept that this doesn't make any noise when laying on a table or something.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-06-14 at 18:12:34
I'm sorry, but if I was to be in class and hear that, it would hurt my ears so I would probably say something to the teacher.
Anyway, I find no problem with it as they can fail if they want, their choice. Though it is a horrible noise to my ears atleast.
Anyway, I find no problem with it as they can fail if they want, their choice. Though it is a horrible noise to my ears atleast.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-06-14 at 19:21:02
Take from Wikipedia's Definition of Terrorism page:
In November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."
Definition of terrorist is - A person who engages of acts of terrorism.
I'll leave it up to you to decide who is the terrorist...
When known that a person has information pertaining to a possible endangering of thousands or tens of thousands of people, I think that it is vital to get that information. If it is shown that you could have found out after the fact, you look somewhat irresponsible.
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In November 2004, a UN panel described terrorism as any act: "intended to cause death or serious bodily harm to civilians or non-combatants with the purpose of intimidating a population or compelling a government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."
Definition of terrorist is - A person who engages of acts of terrorism.
I'll leave it up to you to decide who is the terrorist...
When known that a person has information pertaining to a possible endangering of thousands or tens of thousands of people, I think that it is vital to get that information. If it is shown that you could have found out after the fact, you look somewhat irresponsible.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by chrono_seifer on 2006-06-14 at 20:09:15
Lie's,
the person below me is a complete emo mapstealing loser freakhead
dlk plz post below me ;(
the person below me is a complete emo mapstealing loser freakhead
dlk plz post below me ;(
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2006-06-14 at 20:59:57
QUOTE(Mr.Camo @ Jun 14 2006, 05:12 PM)
I'm sorry, but if I was to be in class and hear that, it would hurt my ears so I would probably say something to the teacher.
tattle tail
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-14 at 21:23:24
I think we all agree that it's a stupid idea, and to just keep your phone on vibrate.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-14 at 21:30:58
Well see the thing is that the 'humane' part only resides in the Americans and Canadian and maybe a few others, but a lot of countries still do it. Now, say there is going to be an immenent attack on US citizens, would you rather be nice to the terrorist and let the people die, or bruise him up and torture him to save them? I'd rather torture one person to save a 100.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-14 at 21:37:42
QUOTE(n2o-SiMpSoNs @ Jun 13 2006, 01:45 PM)
I did mention technology to find evidence. I said (We could make the lie detectore more accurate.)
I don't get why it is a big deal they are extremely simalar... o well...
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Or... you could save more money and put a gun to someone's head and make them tell the truth.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro_Maniak14 on 2006-06-14 at 21:41:25
I SAY NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST LIKE WE DID JAPAN!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lyon on 2006-06-15 at 00:10:10
QUOTE(Moonrocks @ Jun 8 2006, 08:30 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, it was two 500lb bombs were sploded on his safe house.
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he said 2 500 pound bombs
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-15 at 01:34:25
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 13 2006, 06:44 PM)
Provide a source please.
Assuming you to be true, does it seem weird that they deny the International Red Cross to inspect?
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Assuming you to be true, does it seem weird that they deny the International Red Cross to inspect?
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If Im not mistaken there is already a Red Cross station in Gitmo, they did have complaints awhile ago, but not now since they were let in to inspect. Im pretty sure of that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-15 at 11:47:50
Nope!
The person below me is on the most posts for 7 days!
The person below me is on the most posts for 7 days!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-06-15 at 12:01:23
I dont think anyone on earth today wants to see cloning become available. Especially no one wants to see someone that loks exactly like they do. Even though you wouldnt see them at the same age as you because they would be made like a baby whenever you gave your DNA (jeans or whatever)!