Hmm, is it bad I can't hear it? Weird, 'cause I have pretty good hearing. Apparently, I'm not a teen :/
I, interestingly enough, read an article on this subject while looking for a LGBT youth group in my area.
Behold, for the following is my opinion unchecked by consideration or debate, for they have utterly failed in discussion of this subject time and time again:
You have no justification in bigotry, be it secular or religious. The Holy Bible says nothing about homosexuality, you're reading your own ideas into an inaccurate translation. I'm tired of arguing about this. Tell me, if being gay is a decision, WHY THE HELL would anyone choose to be discriminated against and hated? Huh? To have the risk of being EXECUTED in some countries? Because of senselessness and sex? Excuse me, but the senselessness is entirely in your own hands.
The Holy Bible does not condemn masturbation, homosexuality, freedom of speech, racial equality, you have an agenda and you are looking into faith as a power structure, from which to build a political platform by deceiving everyone into believing that this new "Conservative" interpretation has anything to do with the actual Holy Bible.
The church is breaking up because people are tired of being oppressed. The country you live is supposed to be about that freedom, fascist.
Catholic church has nothing against gays
they dont want them to have sex though; they're against gays having sex
sex is a way to procreate, between a male and a female
gay's cannot procreate, thus the church does not accept this behavior
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jun 16 2006, 08:39 PM)
Tell me, if being gay is a decision, WHY THE HELL would anyone choose to be discriminated against and hated? Huh? To have the risk of being EXECUTED in some countries? Because of senselessness and sex? Excuse me, but the senselessness is entirely in your own hands.
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We have criminals still around today, yes? They get "discriminated" against and hated, yes? In most countries the worst criminals are EXECUTED, yes? If you can tell me that being a criminal is not a choice then you can say that gays do not choose to be gay.
false.
actually at home for once.
posting in this thread again.
The person below me hasnt posted on sen in like 4 days or so
QUOTE(Do-0dan @ Jun 16 2006, 11:14 PM)
We have criminals still around today, yes? They get "discriminated" against and hated, yes? In most countries the worst criminals are EXECUTED, yes? If you can tell me that being a criminal is not a choice then you can say that gays do not choose to be gay.
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I'm going to pretend your logic isn't
that flawed....
Being a criminal is a completely active decision. You can't be born a criminal, but you can be born gay.
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Jun 16 2006, 11:13 AM)
The chruch tends to argue with everything, and at stupid points, in my opinion.
Being homosexual is not an active decision (most of the time), it's a bit of wiring in you mind that got crossed, or possibly too much estrogen in a male, or too much testasterone in a female. Whatever the case, it's usually 100% natural. How can you argue against something that happens naturally?
And then they go and argue against Stem Cell research saying it's not natural, and "kills the unborn", when in reality you only have to remove one cell from the embryo and that single cell will continue to multiply on its own, and the child will develop without deformities, mental defects, etc.
Of course, that's a whole other issue...
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i totally agree! well putChurch, showing some bigotry, ignorance, general hatred?
Noooooooooo
You must be totally mistaken!
Let's just file this in that group of discussions entitled "The Church Hates Everything Non-Christian."
I mean, God forbid that gay people can actually love each other! Since God, the good and Heavenly Father (see I even capitalized) allowed homosexuality to exist in the first place, why would He (capitalization to show respect, again!) be against it? Then again, doesn't God have anyone better to smite than gays? No offense to any of you Christians out there, but I bet you $100 that the average fundamentalist Christian would enjoy the company of a hardened serial killer Christian over that of a charitable, generous, and extremely nice homosexual. My honest opinion is that religion should stay out of politics, and politics should stay out of sexuality. Instead, some of those senators and representatives could focus all of their creative and totally non-lobbyist whoring energies on real problems facing America, such as the environment, the economy, and getting that moron out of office. Sadly, it appears that few to none of our politicians have backbone, or intelligence, or any quality desirable for a politician.
...if cloning is possible... cloning a person to simply give the clones organs to the original person.. thats just damn stupid...
QUOTE(Jammed @ May 31 2006, 12:07 PM)
That's the animal instinct, everybody has it.
I think we live to leave a memory. Some kind of memory in this world, it may be a child, it may be music that you wrote, it may be a moovie that you made. If somebody somehow remember you, you lived not without a reason.
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so... ur saying famous people live there lives to the fullest?QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Jun 17 2006, 12:18 AM)
I'm going to pretend your logic isn't that flawed....
Being a criminal is a completely active decision. You can't be born a criminal, but you can be born gay.
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Wilhelm said that gays couldnt possibly choose to be gay because of the consequences. I know that criminals actively choose to be criminals, and I'm also saying that people can make choices whatever the outcome may be (being incredibly stupid and/or incredibly brave). For example, criminals know the consequences of commiting crimes, but there are still criminals out there and many of them continue to be criminals.
The point of what I said is that people CAN choose to be gay despite the consequences.
Famous people have the luxury of living their lives to the fullest.
QUOTE(7-7 @ Jun 11 2006, 12:06 AM)
I hate when people say Life is too short.
I always liked saying how its funny that certain things seem to take too long from the beginning and seem too short from the end.
I believe everyones life is meaningless and worthless along with the entire human race compared to the universe.
Is the depressive talk? No. Why? Because of this I believe we should enjoy ourselves and have fun!!!! I mean what else am I gonna do?
heh life is too short.. life is the longest thing you will experience in your lifetime,
its #1
just nearly missed it
the person below ms is a the person below me spamzor (8-8)????
QUOTE(Min @ Jun 17 2006, 03:21 AM)
I believe everyones life is meaningless and worthless along with the entire human race compared to the universe.
Is the depressive talk? No. Why? Because of this I believe we should enjoy ourselves and have fun!!!! I mean what else am I gonna do?
Wouldn't it just be easier to say the meaning of life is to enjoy yourself and have fun because there's nothing else to do?

I am so sorry that you are feeling so badly today. This is such a roller coaster and the lows can be pretty devastating, I know.
But, hang in there and there are reasons to look forward, it's sometimes hard to see them when things look so bleak.
You are not a failure. Your life is not meaningless. I wish I could say something to make it better.
No, you can't. You're comparing criminal, which is a definition determined by action, to homosexual, which is a definition determined by preference. How do you make conscious choices to like the other sex? You mean you make conscious actions to like Starcraft? You make conscious actions to have preference?
Onto the next argument: Every sperm is sacred!
There is nothing wrong with sex without procreation, The Holy Bible doesn't even say anything about it. The sin of Onan, commonly used as a basis for the "every sperm is sacred" argument has nothing to do with it: Onan's brother dies, so his sister-in-law has no children. According to the commandments of God, he needs to, well, keep the line going and bang her up, but instead he "spills his seed unto the ground", basically telling God to go screw himself. At the time of Biblical events, no one gave a damn what you did on the weekend, so long as you were producing some kids with your wife, it really didn't matter. Also, if you don't do anything with your "seed", you're just going to have night-time emissions, the body can't keep it forever. The sperm do die, my friend.
And, if you're going to argue that homosexuality is wrong because it doesn't procreate, then condoms are out the window, and everyone needs to make lots of babies. Yeah, that'll really help overpopulation of the Earth.
Next argument: Homosexuality is not natural!
Except for it happening in 450 documented species IN THE WILD. Isn't that NATURE? What isn't natural about something that happens in NATURE? Animals jerk off, animals screw whichever way they want, sex is just a pleasure tool for animals.
The truth is, no one likes gay people except the homosexuals themselves. God isn't a homosexual so he doesn't like them, it all adds up.
Except for that fact that organizations such as... say...
this exist.
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 17 2006, 09:40 AM)
The truth is, no one likes gay people except the homosexuals themselves. God isn't a homosexual so he doesn't like them, it all adds up.
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I'm perfectly straight and I've nothing againsts homosexuals.
So, are you two done yet verbally beating each other over the head? I really don't think either of you are going to change your minds, so chill out. There's a bit of hostility going down here and both of you need to tone it down.
QUOTE(Wilhelm @ Jun 17 2006, 09:32 AM)
No, you can't. You're comparing criminal, which is a definition determined by action, to homosexual, which is a definition determined by preference. How do you make conscious choices to like the other sex? You mean you make conscious actions to like Starcraft? You make conscious actions to have preference?
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I'm not saying that people choose to like something, I'm saying that people choose to do something! Criminals steal, rape, murder, etc. Homosexuals have sex with other guys. It's your actions that count, not your thoughts. Everyone has the ability to do whatever they want, when they want (gangsters, criminals, drug addicts, homosexuals, etc.) but some people hold back their desires to comfort others.
No, homosexuals do NOT neccesarily have sex with those of the same sex. I am bisexual, yet have not actually had a sexual experience with any person. And so, if my friend HATES chocolate, I'm not allowed to eat chocolate? No, people have this thing called "rights". As for your constant poor comparisons:
Action: Something done, an act, deed
Preference: That which is prefered, the object of prior favor.
One does not have a preference to be a criminal. You must take conscious choice to commit crimes. You do not take conscious action to like something.
Homosexuality: Sexual orientation to persons of the same sex.
These are the definitions I am using, and what I view to be the proper uses of the respective words. Orientation is a synonym of preference, with a clearer definition. I do not choose to be what I am, I choose to be honest with my urges. You have no right to stop me.