Report, edit, etc...Posted by Neiji on 2006-06-20 at 22:45:17
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Why does everything needs a purpose? Why does everything need a meaning?
Without purpose, every event that ever occurred is empty and useless. I believe that's not the case though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-06-20 at 23:31:20
No, like the pleasure you get from banging your girlfriend with a condom.
Stop comparing gay sex to murder. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Stop comparing gay sex to murder. It doesn't hurt anyone.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-21 at 03:06:04
QUOTE(Kellodood @ Jun 20 2006, 08:44 AM)
Even when you've been proven wrong, you still deny the truth.
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How have I? What were Cheeze and I debating?
QUOTE(Kashmir @ Jun 20 2006, 10:25 AM)
cruzo, did you know (im not comparing us to them at this moment) that Hitler used national security as the reason to attack Poland? That he called those who burned the reichstag (even though he did it) terrorists. That they would go into poland and get them. He tortured detainees and POW's because of national security. So just how much power would you give any government to keep your security? I would give them very little.
And chris, ... fox news... are you kidding me? Fox news is the voice of corporate media today. They leave out the important crap in favor of changing your view to hate the terrorists, when our record leaves the world to believe we train and harbor terrorists. When our record leaves the world to believe that we do everything for our sake and ours only. Read the howard zinn article i posted in the other thread.
P.S. That article in my last post, was from the history channel web page.
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And chris, ... fox news... are you kidding me? Fox news is the voice of corporate media today. They leave out the important crap in favor of changing your view to hate the terrorists, when our record leaves the world to believe we train and harbor terrorists. When our record leaves the world to believe that we do everything for our sake and ours only. Read the howard zinn article i posted in the other thread.
P.S. That article in my last post, was from the history channel web page.
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I would like evidence for why Fox is bad, when have they been wrong?
QUOTE(Kellodood @ Jun 20 2006, 11:51 AM)
Seriously Euro.. Why do you persist in trying to argue with Chris when he never admits defeat? Even when he has been proven wrong numerous times, he never admits defeat..
Why persist in a losing battle?
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Why persist in a losing battle?
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Kind of like you, Im still waiting for evidence of your other claims....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-21 at 11:48:58
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Jun 20 2006, 07:39 PM)
Love - To ensure that we protect both our mate and our children, as well as other members of our family.
Fear - To ensure the human in question doesn't get killed.
Anger - To ensure the release of adreneline and increase performance when the human in question is forced to/chooses to fight.
Lust - To ensure reproduction.
Greed - To ensure the human in question gets all they need to survive, if not more.
That's all I've got.
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Fear - To ensure the human in question doesn't get killed.
Anger - To ensure the release of adreneline and increase performance when the human in question is forced to/chooses to fight.
Lust - To ensure reproduction.
Greed - To ensure the human in question gets all they need to survive, if not more.
That's all I've got.
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Fear - in fear and self-defence you kill someone
Anger-a terrorist goes and blows up people
Lust-rape
Greed-kill for money
You see, those emotions can do bad, by killing/harming peopel allso. It's a two side thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kow on 2006-06-21 at 11:49:41
No one ever claimed them to be all good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-21 at 12:39:33
QUOTE(Jammed @ Jun 21 2006, 07:48 AM)
Fear - in fear and self-defence you kill someone
Anger-a terrorist goes and blows up people
Lust-rape
Greed-kill for money
You see, those emotions can do bad, by killing/harming peopel allso. It's a two side thing.
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Anger-a terrorist goes and blows up people
Lust-rape
Greed-kill for money
You see, those emotions can do bad, by killing/harming peopel allso. It's a two side thing.
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emotions can't be bad, they're just emotions. Your emotions don't tell you to do that your conscience tells you to do that.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-21 at 12:53:26
QUOTE(lonely_duck @ Jun 21 2006, 07:39 PM)
emotions can't be bad, they're just emotions. Your emotions don't tell you to do that your conscience tells you to do that.
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Emotions can lead to something, and "push" you to some actions.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-21 at 13:43:14
the actions are bad not the emotions, thats what i am saying.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-21 at 13:44:41
QUOTE(lonely_duck @ Jun 21 2006, 08:42 PM)
the actions are bad not the emotions, thats what i am saying.
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True. Then I've understood you wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2006-06-21 at 13:48:48
Gay sex should be compared to murder, because I don't want to see it or hear about it, and I think that the world would be a lot better off if it wasn't happening.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-21 at 13:54:24
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 21 2006, 08:48 PM)
Gay sex should be compared to murder, because I don't want to see it or hear about it, and I think that the world would be a lot better off if it wasn't happening.
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If you wouldn't even know, I think you would think it doesen't exist and be as happy. Or you would suspect it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-06-21 at 13:55:17
QUOTE(Kow @ Jun 21 2006, 09:49 AM)
No one ever claimed them to be all good.
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Exactly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-06-21 at 13:59:20
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 21 2006, 12:05 AM)
How have I? What were Cheeze and I debating?
I would like evidence for why Fox is bad, when have they been wrong?
Kind of like you, Im still waiting for evidence of your other claims....
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I would like evidence for why Fox is bad, when have they been wrong?
Kind of like you, Im still waiting for evidence of your other claims....
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What are you debating...? What are you debating?! Jesus Chris. Read everything below:
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 13 2006, 07:44 PM)
Provide a source please.
Assuming you to be true, does it seem weird that they deny the International Red Cross to inspect?
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Assuming you to be true, does it seem weird that they deny the International Red Cross to inspect?
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QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 14 2006, 10:34 PM)
If Im not mistaken there is already a Red Cross station in Gitmo, they did have complaints awhile ago, but not now since they were let in to inspect. Im pretty sure of that.
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 16 2006, 03:24 PM)
You saying that sort of defeats the purpose of what I'm asking for: sources.
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 18 2006, 02:45 PM)
Kashmir, the views of the webpage is generally "left wing" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Now!). I'm not saying it's a bad source but finding one that comes from all over would be the best.
TheDaddy0420, I'd very much like to see the sources for your claims. You know, for this:
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TheDaddy0420, I'd very much like to see the sources for your claims. You know, for this:
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QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 18 2006, 06:10 PM)
I find the most important things in this link are the red cross part, and all the way at the bottom the sources are actually CITED.
Actually read all of it.
For Cheeze
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Actually read all of it.
For Cheeze
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 18 2006, 06:35 PM)
Your claim doesn't match your evidence. That site simply proves that "Charlie Went Down to Gitmo." It doesn't prove anything about the Red Cross actually being there.
As the article says it self:
However, never does the article mention a guarantee that the International Red Cross examining the place, which was your claim.
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As the article says it self:
However, never does the article mention a guarantee that the International Red Cross examining the place, which was your claim.
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QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 18 2006, 08:38 PM)
Thats not enough?
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 18 2006, 09:39 PM)
That quote is from his essay. That would be circular reasoning, so no it's not enough. Sorry. 
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QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 19 2006, 05:05 PM)
Ok Cheese this MUST be enough, and if its not then I will keep looking for sources then. Ugg if that happens!
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QUOTE(CheeZe @ Jun 19 2006, 09:14 PM)
Well, it's a good source. The only problem is the date. One within the last 2 years would be best.
However, I went searching and found that the ICRC did a search in 2004. So you're right they went in. However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp
Obviously, the government has rejected the claim. The article goes on with various statements about the accusations on Gitmo and various evidences supporting the claim. One that stuck out to me was:
Released prisoners also accused of torture and filed complaints. While people here are arguing it's necessary for vital information, read this:
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However, I went searching and found that the ICRC did a search in 2004. So you're right they went in. However:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detainment_camp
Obviously, the government has rejected the claim. The article goes on with various statements about the accusations on Gitmo and various evidences supporting the claim. One that stuck out to me was:
Released prisoners also accused of torture and filed complaints. While people here are arguing it's necessary for vital information, read this:
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QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Jun 19 2006, 09:24 PM)
Now we are in a pickle that is.
Our Government, some people who have visited Gitmo ad fox news who have filmed inside Gitmo and done interviews with the gaurds there, have all said there are no abuses happening.
And then there are former detainees and some people who have seen Gitmo have said there are in fact abuses going on there.
I think this debate will have to rely on if you trust our military or not and what your personal definition of torture is.
Such as I have gone through all those so called tortures before and I go through them every year. Its called football camp, football season. School, lacrosse season, lacrosse camp. Earl Davis conditioning.
So I wouldn't call these tortures in my eyes, I would have to see something a little more extreme then just discomferts.
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Our Government, some people who have visited Gitmo ad fox news who have filmed inside Gitmo and done interviews with the gaurds there, have all said there are no abuses happening.
And then there are former detainees and some people who have seen Gitmo have said there are in fact abuses going on there.
I think this debate will have to rely on if you trust our military or not and what your personal definition of torture is.
Such as I have gone through all those so called tortures before and I go through them every year. Its called football camp, football season. School, lacrosse season, lacrosse camp. Earl Davis conditioning.
So I wouldn't call these tortures in my eyes, I would have to see something a little more extreme then just discomferts.
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Now tell me. If that isn't debating, what in god's name is?
And just shut up about my 'sources' already. For freak sakes. Obviously, my damn silence about it means that I admit defeat. But it's aparent that you never know how to shut up.
So, shut up about it already, and finally admit that Cheeze won your debate, and admit defeat for ONCE in your life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-21 at 14:04:59
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 21 2006, 09:48 AM)
Gay sex should be compared to murder, because I don't want to see it or hear about it, and I think that the world would be a lot better off if it wasn't happening.
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That same thing can be said about sex between a man and a woman. Some people don't want to see it or hear about regular sex, and some people will say people would be better off without it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by wesmic da pimp on 2006-06-21 at 14:27:25
Well, then they must be homosexuals. How do you expect us to reproduce without having sex? It's a must, unlike homosexual sex.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-06-21 at 14:58:33
QUOTE(Kellodood @ Jun 21 2006, 09:58 AM)
What are you debating...? What are you debating?! Jesus Chris. Read everything below:
Now tell me. If that isn't debating, what in god's name is?
And just shut up about my 'sources' already. For freak sakes. Obviously, my damn silence about it means that I admit defeat. But it's aparent that you never know how to shut up.
So, shut up about it already, and finally admit that Cheeze won your debate, and admit defeat for ONCE in your life.
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Now tell me. If that isn't debating, what in god's name is?
And just shut up about my 'sources' already. For freak sakes. Obviously, my damn silence about it means that I admit defeat. But it's aparent that you never know how to shut up.
So, shut up about it already, and finally admit that Cheeze won your debate, and admit defeat for ONCE in your life.
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All I wanted is for you to stop with the whole sources thing, and how I always never cite my sources. Its just gotten hella annoying.
And we weren't debating ANYTHING, he asked for a source and I gave him mulitple sources! If Cheeze was debating me, then I must have not been aware becuase I wasn't debating him at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-06-21 at 15:18:34
Haha. Yes, let's get rid of all birth control related items. Because obviously, people never have sex for fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-06-21 at 16:18:24
QUOTE(wesmic da pimp @ Jun 21 2006, 10:27 AM)
Well, then they must be homosexuals. How do you expect us to reproduce without having sex? It's a must, unlike homosexual sex.
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Who the hell are you talking to? I never said it wasn't needed or anything of the sort. Also, no they aren't homosexuals. There are many straight people that think that way.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (SEN)Dante50 on 2006-06-21 at 19:41:56
True. How very...very true.
And yeah, edit the stupid post.
The person below me is homosexual
And yeah, edit the stupid post.
The person below me is homosexual
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-06-21 at 20:52:42
I believe that emotion makes life interesting. Consider it to be icing on a cake. We don't need emotion to live on, but it sure keeps our life from being boring. If somebody explodes, you become interesting. If somebody is crying, you interested as to why.
However, could emotion be a flaw in human nature? We would probably progress in our technology so much faster if we were emotionless, like robots. Just a thought. Flaw or not, I believe emotions have three main purposes:
-Make life interesting.
-Communication.
-Caution.
Also, just on a a note to people who claim emotions are good or bad. They are neither. They are neutral. It is what we do from those emotions that is good or bad.
However, could emotion be a flaw in human nature? We would probably progress in our technology so much faster if we were emotionless, like robots. Just a thought. Flaw or not, I believe emotions have three main purposes:
-Make life interesting.
-Communication.
-Caution.
Also, just on a a note to people who claim emotions are good or bad. They are neither. They are neutral. It is what we do from those emotions that is good or bad.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-06-21 at 21:54:00
False
The person below me drinks coffee.
The person below me drinks coffee.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ClansR4gays on 2006-06-22 at 00:11:52
omg ppls!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-22 at 03:06:26
QUOTE(HolySin)
I believe that emotion makes life interesting.
I would say they make life life, not just existance.
QUOTE(HolySin)
Also, just on a a note to people who claim emotions are good or bad. They are neither. They are neutral. It is what we do from those emotions that is good or bad.
A doctor came to our school, explaining that mental helth is as important as phisical. She told that negative emotions have a negative effect on your life, while positive have a positive one.
I agree with the doctor. I belive that anger anf hate, for example, make negative "energy" (I can't explain it myself) around you.
Emotions are toughts. I belive thoughts have influence over the phisical world.
HolySin, if you get a stomach ache from a pizza you just ate, will you say that the pizza was not good and not bad for you ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-06-22 at 03:08:55
Emotions are not thoughts. Emotions are instinct.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-06-22 at 03:27:23
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Jun 22 2006, 10:08 AM)
Emotions are not thoughts. Emotions are instinct.
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When a spider makes his web, it's an emotion ?
Moving on to people:
Somebody said something to two people. One of them got angry from it, and the other laughed. Joy and anger are emotions, and different people are different about them.
If you put a hot object to the hands of two people, they will react on a base of instincts - move the hand away from the heat, maybe close their eyes (I'm not sure if this one is an instinct, but the first one is an instinct for sure).
You see, emotions are different for all people, instincts are not. You can overcome both emotion and instinct. Overcoming instincts is harder than overcoming emotions in most of the cases.