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I'm sorry, but you are just wrong on everything. If you analyze one of the standard strategies, you will not find very many flaws. That is why they are standard. You can't think up some gay nuke idea and think it is on par with the actual tried-and-true strats. Listen, you can't psyche out your opponent unless your strategy has a chance of winning. Yours doesn't. Of course you should drop your opponent; you should in nearly every game. The flaw in your strategy isn't that your drop your opponent (except for the fact that you use vultures T___T), its that you waste massive ammounts of money on nuke tech + medic drops, both of which ensure you won't have enough units to defend against anything. The only thing that comes from nuke tech is nukes, which are impossible to pull off against zerg. Do you really think that your opponent won't know something is up when you have so few units and are turtling in your base? They will assume you are trying something gay, put a few sunkens at each base, move out and attack your poorly defended base while expoing. All this to hopefully pull off a nuke which will undoubtably be seen because you can't blind every overlord (a zerg would have to really suck to not think something was up when you keep drop them multiple times to blind their ovies, assuming you will last that long).

But hey, maybe my logic and experience mean nothing. Post a rep of you beating a decent player.

Can we just agree to disagree?

It was a silly idea to post strategies to someone like you. Alright? You are just too good with your good strategies. You just aren't satisfied with something new. You really just like the standard. The boring ol' strategies that everyone uses. That stock arsenal. So they may work well... whats the point of using such overworked strategies? There is a use for that optical flare. I just wanted to shed some new light on it. (ironic yes..). I appologize for trying to try something new alright?


EXAMPLE:
Hey you guys lets play a game, *drops on money, kills everyone with a big standard army*, wow that was fun, lets play again *drops on money, kills everyone with a big standard army*, wow that was kinda fun, lets play again... *drops on money, kills everyone with a big standard army*... I don't think I like this game anymore...


I guess thats just how you are eh?
Do whatchu gotta do I guess...


Post a replay? What do I have to prove to you?









I never said it was MY strategy, I said it was A strategy. An option. Standard strategies are indeed flawed. Most rely on one massive attack to defeat the opponent. If this attack fails, a counter attack is inevitable. Of course waves of attacks on pinpoint locations could increase the chances of the standard strategy working efficiently, but waves lack the strength that is evident within a massive attack and are much more diffcult to coordinate resulting in more loss then gain.

Just because it's new doesn't mean it's bad, but this one is.

And you have to post a replay to show what you are saying really does work.

Red2Blue, you seriously have to admit to yourself that your strategy is original, but just WON'T work in such conditions. What you COULD do is make another strategy where things are more viable. You'd actually need to go "standard" strategy, expand and THEN, perhaps, you could secretly tech Nukes in a corner (granted you have the economy) and hope the Zerg player can't reach that area.

Chris, if you do that, why not just spend the money on more units+expos instead of a retarted gamble that probably won't pay off?

Well I guess I'm a retard, then. I have my basic builds, but I also love to experiment.

Yes, I was stupid enough to go Scouts against Terran. Goliaths owned me, I wasn't able to do a thing about it (cuz I suck). I could hardly care less, to be honest. I just had fun.

I also did make Dark Archons against a Protoss player (pure suicide). Once again, it was only fun. I lost. And I didn't care this time either.


The game just gets overboring after a while at doing always the same builds... And since I'm nowhere close to be a pro player, I can't even survive long games (which kinda kill the point of "advanced strategies"). Part of the reason why I go funny builds.

Im going to have to take Red2Blue's side.

Just hear me out, ok?

Your a big fan of Boxer arent you Ihatett? He pulled off a nuke "rush". All red2blue is saying is that it is an option to consider (shouldnt be done against zerg). He never said it would work, although it will in some cases.

I think we should drop that whole argument and start posting other UNIQUE strategies.

I never said it would work in every scenario...

Please read... I said it was an option, more options make people happy. The more options you have, the more things you can do. Even if its a unefficient strategy, it still is abled to be done.


I said there was no super strategy.

And I kinda implied that you should use a standard strategy before using this strategy in my previous posts to ensure that it is more efficient.

Yes, I am a HUGE fan of boxer. He has developed many new and innovative techniques which work. However, he did not exactly nuke rush. The Pimpest Play you are talking about was against a completely newb protoss who played fascinatingly bad (or it was rigged). There are almost no people anymore who think it's a real game against a good player. Ask around a good melee site (like teamliquid.net), and all of the best players there (really good ones like drone, fa, leg, rek, etc.) will all agree. Don't say "I take your word for it" if you really don't believe me. Ask for yourself.

A strategy is not something that works only against bad players. Against bad players anything works.

And red2blue, I'm not trying to discourage you from starcraft, I'm trying to discourage you from thinking stupid things work, because you won't improve on the track you are going.

A strategy is not something that works only against bad players. Against bad players anything works.
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Which is the whole point of why he isn't THAT stupid...

Most of the people you'll play on b.net, heck, most of your FRIENDS are newbs (including me). I' such a sucky Zerg player that his strat would probably work against me...

Ihatett, i never said I liked or agreed with the strategy.

lol, Chris, you saw me play with zerg, i sucked so bad!!
I forget who that was against, was it Ihatett? Or pekkel?

"Im going to have to take Red2Blue's side."

ALRIGHT STOP FIGHTING! JEBUS! Red2Blue had an idea, it was a suggestion, and ihatett stop bitching.

Anyway, this might be unique but, something my friend did to me. He was terran, I was zerg, im a pretty good melee player, better than a lot, but what happened was he built in my base because i was underestimating him. He built a barracks, and a bunker then massed marines. I could not expand or even build out where my starting hatchery was. He eventually held out long enough to build tanks and wipe me out.

=X S'all about that racks/bunk in base =)


Ya know... I doubt anyone is going to post any more strategies.

After what I went through just posting an idea, many people wouldn't want to follow in my footsteps.

Besides. A strategy explained is a strategy wasted. (I should have taken that into consideration before making the post, but hey whatever).






How about that 200 storms, 100 hals, 50 archons money map strategy? eh eh?








Ive played SC since it came out. And experienced all of its ups and downs.

Nothing discourages me, rather, it annoys me. All of you guys here act like you know everything in the world and are the best at everything in the world. For some people it may be true, but those who are really good don't express things in the way that you have.

And stupid things work.
What about Benjamin Franklin? Everyone thought he was stupid for doing stupid things. Tieing a key to a kite. But LOOK! He invented electricity! He invented all the great things that we never would have thought of. Stupid things can get you places.

You can improve on where you are going doing stupid things. I do stupid things all the time. I tried focusing ONLY on a Nuke Rush in a particular game. I got overrun by zerg. I learned though that you must tech and defend. I did something stupid, but hey, I learned from it.









Id also like to put up a notion:

Just because you claim to be good, doesn't mean you are.

People are always talking about stats, "hey hes got 203293201 wins, he must be good"

(okay so winbot is involved).

Stats aren't everything. Someone may be way better then they actually play or talk. Don't underestimate someone just because they do or say stupid things. =/








Also, I would like to say that:
People with many losses are indeed WAY better then those with many wins.

The more times you lose, the more strategies that you will be hit by. The more weaknesses that you beaten by, the less things that you will be defeated by in the games to come.

For instance, if you are cannon rushed, you will always remember that you should scout your surroundings during a game, so on etc.

I was agreeing with his ARGUMENT, not his strat. I even said in the first page that it is stupid. YOu think I would go for a strategy like that?

He didn't "invent" electricty, he discovered how to control it.
And can you please stop putting fourty spaces between each paragraph?
*im not trying to be rude if i sound like it.

Well he must be the master of doing stupid things then. Controling is way more powerful then inventing. Inventing is merely finding the factors that consist of the idea. Controlling is mastering its element and manipulating its actions.






I put 40 spaces between my posts to let people have the ease of reading.

My eyes strain to see 400 words in a large paragraph.

By splitting up the paragraph into segments, the forum reader would be encouraged to read the entire post beacuse of the short reads.

Not only that, but I can separate the important information in to neatly organized sections.



Thats why theres so many spaces...

EDIT: I won't be rude, I'll just ask for a 1:1 on lost temple.

You said I was bad, let's see who between us is the better player. I have already been proven to be the better strategist.

Like the forum reads. Its a unique strategy.
I know that nukes are pretty much unused and proven not to work, which is why I posed this topic to try to bring it back. There is a use for every unit in the game. Besides, I was inspired to post the strategy because I was playing a 2v2 with a fellow who was nuking very efficiently (he was on my side, so I saw what he was doing). He held off two people (the 2 opponents rushed me...), and destroyed many things with a few silos.

Nukes were in regular SC as well. Not just BW. And I said SC not BW.





I have no doubts of that. Id rather not prove you wrong.
What does it prove should you beat me? Your own ignorance and arrogance?



I don't play melee as much as you, so I have no doubts that I will lose to you.
Besides, I dislike competition. Rarely do I ever play for real.

If I were to play with you. Id prolly mass CCs and lift you to death. Or mass SCVs and "return cargo" stack you.

I edited my post, I guess you got there first. Also, your posting style makes it harder to read.


Now, you call me a noob, say I am not as good as I say I am, and then go on to decline playing me and say that you rarely play melee. What makes you think you are good enough to say a proven-bad strategy is good?

Then, you prove that nukes are good by saying you saw them work in a noobie 2v2? What the hell? Post a replay of nukes being used to win/turn the tides in a game, we are still waiting.

You seem to think that all strategies are equally good. Wrong as hell... some suck, like this one.

I didn't call you a noob...

I never said I was good...

Not at all.. I was merely saying that... you shouldn't underestimate people.

Clearly you are doing so.

I never said it was a good strategy... it was something new...

I didn't say this strategy was good as other strategies... read please...





I said its merely an option... an OPTION okay? Read... Options make people happy. More options make more available strategies. No matter how horrid the strategy is... its still an option.



A tank/gol/vessel strategy could branch off into this strategy should the situation arise. Something along those lines.




Ya know... this is getting a bit repetetive...
You and me going on that is...
I think im done now...


This argument is getting no where and fast for the both of us.

Guys, lets stop arguing. Im serious, its pissing me off. Ihatett, don't even respond to him.

Red 2 Blue, instead of throwing back in my face what i said to you about the spaces and franklin, you could just say OK and use less spaces. (I never disagreed with what you said about Franklin, i was correcting you)

You make me sound like the bad guy... I was the one that wanted to stop...




Sorry bout that franklin thing...

But, what i said about my spaces IS true.. easier to read (for some people...).

Why would I have to say "OK" and use "less spaces"? You are the one with the problem. Not me.





Spaces are cool.

Red2Blue, lol, this entire time I have been trying to be as nice as possible to you.
I didnt mean to make you look like your the enemy, i just dont want Ihatett continueing on quoting fourty things and argueing them.

If you like using spaces thats fine just sometimes you go a BIT overboard and you go about half a screens length of nothing.

Space doesn't make it easier to read, especially in your case. You're only putting spaces everywhere. Try organizing things a bit instead of placing random things everywhere.


ihatett already pwned you numerous times. It's not getting nowhere. You lost since mage 1 and don't want to admit defeat...

After this I'm done wasting my time.

1. Since the strategy has literally no chance to work, it isnt an option.
2. You cant branch off into tank/gol/vessel from this strat because you will have used all of your gas on usless teching (to tell you the truth, you won't last long enough to tech).