Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-04-24 at 12:56:05
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1) I NEVER said I created the terrain--
Exactly.
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2) The protection doesn't work in the proccess Deathknight states it does. After compressing the map, and before protecting, I took a look at the size of it, you are obviusly wrong.
I know PROEdit doesn't add triggers like that, so can you explain it? And no, I am not wrong.
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3) I don't give 2 s----s about your 2 cents on how to protect the map. Protection of the map has nothing to do with aspects of the map. With that size, the map does not lag nor drop people, therefore not an aspect.
Longer download perhaps?
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4) Deathnight, you're already blocked from my email contacts for your noob flaming.
That's nice. But is it really noob flaming when you're the one who had to completely IGNORE/DODGE what I had to say?
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Stop doing it here.
No.
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You responding to this message and claiming otherwise is just proof that are infact an imature noob who can't get over a message typed from some nobody from nowhere.
You're just saying that, trying to get me to stop owning you.
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I don't know you, nor do I want to know you.
I don't want to know you either. But that has nothing to do with these forums and posts.
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I took a look at the size of it, you are obviusly wrong.
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Just out of curiosity, what are people talking about with the 50MB thing... the map's only 456 KB, which isn't that bad.
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I meant the map, as in uncompressed chk. MPQ compression is quite good. A 300kb change in the map is still significant. And it makes it even more significant if it's because of triggers that never run.
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Sounds don't really take up much, so from the original map, compression of comments, never triggers, etc. didn't do much.
Could have made the sounds take up NOTHING, 0 bytes. Can you explain the space-wasting triggers if you wanted to compress it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2005-04-24 at 12:59:10
Actually, i've cracked all of Fenix'01 maps, and it is possible to have a high amount of triggers, because of his style of triggering, but there is a certain limit, that once reached, makes his form of Diplomacy stupidly slow, also, there are ways to get around his "defencive" cities, so that they spawn only once.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-04-24 at 13:02:53
What is that I smell? I smell pwnage... gg
Just because a map is larger does not mean it will be a better one M.k.russ
You cannot get past the eyes of deathknight ;)
Just because a map is larger does not mean it will be a better one M.k.russ
You cannot get past the eyes of deathknight ;)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GgG-M.K.Russ. on 2005-04-24 at 13:17:09
Staredit is gonig to do it... Maybe Mill was right...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-04-24 at 13:21:30
whew... this is just pure ownage...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GgG-M.K.Russ. on 2005-04-24 at 13:24:49
Hmm, how do I say this?
I'm not asking for help, so please don't provide it here. When I WAS, it wasn't there. All there was is the same accusations and questions over and over. If Dethknight would've been as "helpful" then as he is now, maybe we wouldn't have any beef.
I'm not asking for help, so please don't provide it here. When I WAS, it wasn't there. All there was is the same accusations and questions over and over. If Dethknight would've been as "helpful" then as he is now, maybe we wouldn't have any beef.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathknight on 2005-04-24 at 13:43:28
Ok. It all started here:
Original compression topic: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=14163
After reading that and finding it locked, I decided to nicely send him a PM.
1. What you're SAYING means nothing.
2. You're the little 14 year old who makes a topic asking for help, then flaming people because they're trying to help you.
3. People question things you don't state. And you're not the God of this website, so you don't tell anybody to stop questioning things that aren't 100% clear.
4. That's kind of like saying "I made some kind of map, openned it with PROEdit, compressed and watched it freeze up." Well people are OBVIOUSLY going to ask questions because they don't know why. The time of the day is not why. The size of the map is not why. People use PROEdit lots of times, compressing maps, with no problems. You're just saying you compressed your map and it froze, well
ing DUH nobody's going to know what you're talking about.
Now that that's cleared out of the way...
I'll suggest PMing clokr_ about your problem, unless you would like me to help you out.
Now the intent was not actually be mean, but just to point out some things and offer help.
His response?
Wow. COMPLETE idiocy. I responded after that too.
Hah. You're calling me a noob? That isn't true, but I'll tell you what is:
You're a real newbie. That's a fact. You are new to technology, so you are a newbie.
Then this topic appeared.
Chu pointed me here, and was already talking about how large the map is, then this came up:
And I decided I'd take a first try at fully unprotecting a map. I've basically copied every section from one map to another. The only thing I havn't copied was the Strings and Triggers. I did the mission briefings from scratch since it wasn't so big.
Anyway, responding to GgG-M.K.Russ.'s latest post;
I WAS being helpful. Helpful based on the information you gave. You stated that PROEdit froze, and that was it. You didn't give us ANY information as to why it froze. File size is not a reason for freezing. Then again, when you look at the CHK file, 20+ MB? People in that other thread didn't know why it froze, so duh they ask questions to try and load them to the problem of freezing. No. People can't just come up with a solution based on vague information.
"PROEDIT FROZE OMGS!!"
"Ok, did you do this and this?"
"OMG NO BUT IT FROZE LOLOL!"
"Oh I see. I automatically know why it froze! WOOT!"
"KK THX GG"
Original compression topic: http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=14163
After reading that and finding it locked, I decided to nicely send him a PM.
QUOTE(PM from Deathknight to GgG-M.K.Russ. TITLE: Fool.)
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Ok, I'm really getting irratated with these ing comments. I'm SAYING it's 500kb. I'm SAYING sound only takes up 30kb. And finnally, I'm ING SAYING there's 5000+ triggers. I'm tired of some of the ing little 14 y/o idiots thinking they're all big pros and questioning me. I'm SAYING I start up PROEdit, attempt to open a map, PROEdit freezes. Now, I'm using latest PROEdit,(1.4.2 black backround). I'm not very familiar with MPQ because I never had the problem like this one. So, id there's anyone that can help, please do. Thank you.
ing comments. I'm SAYING it's 500kb. I'm SAYING sound only takes up 30kb. And finnally, I'm ING SAYING there's 5000+ triggers. I'm tired of some of the ing little 14 y/o idiots thinking they're all big pros and questioning me. I'm SAYING I start up PROEdit, attempt to open a map, PROEdit freezes. Now, I'm using latest PROEdit,(1.4.2 black backround). I'm not very familiar with MPQ because I never had the problem like this one. So, id there's anyone that can help, please do. Thank you.1. What you're SAYING means nothing.
2. You're the little 14 year old who makes a topic asking for help, then flaming people because they're trying to help you.
3. People question things you don't state. And you're not the God of this website, so you don't tell anybody to stop questioning things that aren't 100% clear.
4. That's kind of like saying "I made some kind of map, openned it with PROEdit, compressed and watched it freeze up." Well people are OBVIOUSLY going to ask questions because they don't know why. The time of the day is not why. The size of the map is not why. People use PROEdit lots of times, compressing maps, with no problems. You're just saying you compressed your map and it froze, well
ing DUH nobody's going to know what you're talking about.Now that that's cleared out of the way...
I'll suggest PMing clokr_ about your problem, unless you would like me to help you out.
Now the intent was not actually be mean, but just to point out some things and offer help.
His response?
QUOTE(PM from GgG-M.K.Russ. to Deathknight TITLE: RE:Fool.)
Message from 14 y/o noob not read, 14 y/o noob ignored. Thank you, come again
Wow. COMPLETE idiocy. I responded after that too.
QUOTE(PM from Deathknight to GgG-M.K.Russ. TITLE: RE:Fool.)
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Message from 14 y/o noob not read, 14 y/o noob ignored. Thank you, come again
Hah. You're calling me a noob? That isn't true, but I'll tell you what is:
You're a real newbie. That's a fact. You are new to technology, so you are a newbie.
Then this topic appeared.
Chu pointed me here, and was already talking about how large the map is, then this came up:
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As a map making organization, P² Inc. forbids
any unprotectors used on the map as well as
any editing done to the map without the
consent of the creator(s).
any unprotectors used on the map as well as
any editing done to the map without the
consent of the creator(s).
And I decided I'd take a first try at fully unprotecting a map. I've basically copied every section from one map to another. The only thing I havn't copied was the Strings and Triggers. I did the mission briefings from scratch since it wasn't so big.
Anyway, responding to GgG-M.K.Russ.'s latest post;
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When I WAS, it wasn't there. All there was is the same accusations and questions over and over. If Dethknight would've been as "helpful" then as he is now, maybe we wouldn't have any beef.
I WAS being helpful. Helpful based on the information you gave. You stated that PROEdit froze, and that was it. You didn't give us ANY information as to why it froze. File size is not a reason for freezing. Then again, when you look at the CHK file, 20+ MB? People in that other thread didn't know why it froze, so duh they ask questions to try and load them to the problem of freezing. No. People can't just come up with a solution based on vague information.
"PROEDIT FROZE OMGS!!"
"Ok, did you do this and this?"
"OMG NO BUT IT FROZE LOLOL!"
"Oh I see. I automatically know why it froze! WOOT!"
"KK THX GG"
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GgG-M.K.Russ. on 2005-04-24 at 13:54:00
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I WAS being helpful. Helpful based on the information you gave. You stated that PROEdit froze, and that was it. You didn't give us ANY information as to why it froze. File size is not a reason for freezing. Then again, when you look at the CHK file, 20+ MB? People in that other thread didn't know why it froze, so duh they ask questions to try and load them to the problem of freezing. No. People can't just come up with a solution based on vague information.
"PROEDIT FROZE OMGS!!"
"Ok, did you do this and this?"
"OMG NO BUT IT FROZE LOLOL!"
"Oh I see. I automatically know why it froze! WOOT!"
"KK THX GG"
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"PROEDIT FROZE OMGS!!"
"Ok, did you do this and this?"
"OMG NO BUT IT FROZE LOLOL!"
"Oh I see. I automatically know why it froze! WOOT!"
"KK THX GG"
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I gave all the information I had. I said it wasa map 500kb big, I tried opening with proedit, it froze. I didn't know why it froze because I never had the problem before. All I knew was it was a large map. You people pointed out that it's the sounds. I said no, it was the triggers. After that, About three posts saying it's not the triggers it's the sound.
I told you all I knew. The only help I can say you did is mention MPQ, to which I responded I wasn't familiar with because I never had to use it. That's it.
This whole thing between me and you started because you as well as others though that what I said wasn't true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2005-04-24 at 14:50:48
Looks like we have an attetention whore here.
Apparently Russ sent you a PM, Knight likes the attention so he decided to put it in the public fourms.
Good job.
You do know that Criminal made the terrian for both maps, so there's no point redoing it if he's just going to use same terrian.
And btw since P2 productions is me doing nothing, chaos is research, criminal is all around, russ is triggering and ideas.
So if you should be yelling at anyone about terrian stealing it's criminal since he made it.
Criminal was in charge of the project and he did the majority of it, you people are just yelling at russ because he submitted it into SEN and was accociated with the project. If I was even mentioned in the briefing (sadly no) you people would be yelling at me too.
WHOA
THANK GOD YOU POSTED! OTHERWISE THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE CRASHED AND BURNED!!!
Apparently Russ sent you a PM, Knight likes the attention so he decided to put it in the public fourms.
Good job.
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stealing the terrain is as bad as stealing the whole map...
terrain takes a while to do.. make your own..
terrain takes a while to do.. make your own..
You do know that Criminal made the terrian for both maps, so there's no point redoing it if he's just going to use same terrian.
And btw since P2 productions is me doing nothing, chaos is research, criminal is all around, russ is triggering and ideas.
So if you should be yelling at anyone about terrian stealing it's criminal since he made it.
Criminal was in charge of the project and he did the majority of it, you people are just yelling at russ because he submitted it into SEN and was accociated with the project. If I was even mentioned in the briefing (sadly no) you people would be yelling at me too.
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whew... this is just pure ownage...
WHOA
THANK GOD YOU POSTED! OTHERWISE THIS PROJECT WOULD'VE CRASHED AND BURNED!!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by GgG-M.K.Russ. on 2005-04-24 at 15:24:40
It's aight. Let it go. let's end the beefing and flaming and all this nonsence. 
Out of all of this, I'm planning to learn how to use MPQ. Would help with this and future projects.
Version 4 is already underway. Not "improvements" but just usefull addons. A few ideas to make it even more realistic and fun.
Out of all of this, I'm planning to learn how to use MPQ. Would help with this and future projects. Version 4 is already underway. Not "improvements" but just usefull addons. A few ideas to make it even more realistic and fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chuiu on 2005-04-24 at 15:37:59
Alright this has gone too far. I'm locking this thread. If you need to post a version update you can do it in a new thread. I just want to stop the flaming and the spam.