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As a matter of fact, I did just learn it, It was quite easy to discover too.

My first post is devoid of useful information because I didn't actually know anything about the topic. Oops!

Too hilarious to watch.. a newbie picking fights with Chu and other respected people...

Our posts are not devoid of useful information. What we are trying to convey to you, and what your inflated ego forces you to ignore, is that here at SEN we only consider quailty maps. Money maps take absolutely no skill to make and a viewed as the tool of n00bs. Don't become tainted by their shadow, for your own sake.

Problem solved, solution found, topic go byebye?

None of your posts contain a solution to the problem. It was obvious to you and everyone else that my intention was to "fix" a minor flaw that had occurred on a map with stacked resources. The basic editor can't do that, and you know that, obviously, as everyone does, so by simply telling me to use the basic editor you are both not offering an explanation as to why the lack of green rectangles occurs, nor are you offering an actual solution to the problem, because you are speaking totally out of context. An actual solution to the problem would be one that would allow me to "fix" STACKED geysers lacking green rectangles.

It was obvious that I was the person making the map. As evidence of this, I'd like to point out that I referred to myself throughout the entire post. There couldn't possibly be anything that told you otherwise, but I would like to see your reasoning. I must say, though, I found it amusing that you acted like you didn't know just to make it seem like I flamed you for no reason. That's quite a testament to your character.

You calling me a retard was completely unjustified because I asked a perfectly reasonable question in a more coherent manner than any intelligent person on the Internet could ever hope for in this pathetic day and age. Not only that, but the day something someone does relating to a computer game justifies calling them some childish name WILL NEVER COME. Welcome to reality.

You're sorry if I'm offended? EL OH EL. That's like someone saying they're sorry if they hurt you after breaking your arm.

As for me flaming you, you ought to consider not calling persons names. Is that so hard? Oh wait, I forgot that this is 2005 and the world's youth is still becoming angrier, more insecure, and more immature each and every day. I'd also like to note that the very first reply to my very first post calls me a retard. What kind of response were you expecting? One last time: It was you who started in with the flaming. You didn't need to do that. You didn't even need to post, yet you posted, and chose to toss insults around. I find it very sad that in situations like this persons can't let go of the fact that someone that they've "known" is not a person with good character. Mabey this savage beating will teach at least one person that they can't always expect nothing to happen when they let tripe flow from their fingertips. My initial post was mature, coherent, and for all practical purposes, friendly. Nothing you can do or say puts me in the wrong. I have merely defended myself.

The effects of having played a map a large number of times, not continuously, was what I made reference to. I find your definition of good players interesting because playing only a few maps many times is exactly what pro players often need to do prior to an event in order to stay competitive, and as we all know, it just doesn't get any better.

Money maps are indeed less about skill and micro and more about speed and macro, which is evidenced by turbo newbs who play public games all day, use Toss, and have no trouble winning almost every game with nothing but mass Zealots, but the more competitive (or intelligent) the environment becomes the less relevant the speed of your macro is because everyone else can match you, and once again other things have to be done in order to win games, so the more competitive an environment becomes the more technical the play becomes. On a money map, the clock is ticking much faster, and things that may not be able to finish you on a limited map, or may never even have enough time to occur, may very well do so on a money map. You don't have time to produce an entirely new tech tree, or base for that matter, after losing it, so players who care enough about becoming better have to find ways to deal with things that aren't usually much of a threat before they happen, and that's one of the big differences between competitive money play, and competitive limited play.

I'm not trying to convert anyone because that would a huge waste of my time. What I'm trying to do is help some persons understand that the huge percentage of money players who are too young / incompetent to show a semblance of understanding of the game do not represent what a "good" money player is. Just as the top tiers of limited play amongst each other, so do money players. Finding a good money player in a public game is about as difficult as finding one of your favorite pro players hanging out with a bunch of random scrubs.

I think everyone can agree that public gaming is hardly a measuring stick for an experienced player's skill and abilities.

And what kind of response did you expect when you post asking for help making a money map at a respectable site like this? Sorry but returning with insults is in no way defending yourself or proving a point. Listen to me as this is the last time I'm going to say this: Geysers become messed up when you place them on non-standard grids, therefore placing them on standard grids is a solution to your problem. If you continue to condescend to anyone here with your posts then you can expect me to do something about it. I'm tired of warning you, and I'm tired of your attitude, and I'm not the angry, insecure, immature youth you seem to think I am.

In fact, it was so easy to find, you couldn't even provide the source! Oops!

I find it funny that a user who has been here much longer than I have chose to set a bad example by posting spam, and even admitted to it a few posts later. What will happen to you? Nothing? I thought so. What a balanced world we live in.

Chances are you knew the answer but chose to post nothing of use instead.

Didn't you two read what I wrote?

Both of you are just defending yourselves with utmost vigor trying to sway the other one, to put yourself in a good light. The result is that neither of you seem more intelligent than the other and both of you just seem like yapping assholes.

No offense.

Here's an example of what happened to me in a similar standoff.

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=209211

The problem escalated when I PMed the other person.




Did I continue this argument? No. Here's my reply.


And you know what he said back? Maybe "That's what I thought, you wuss!", "Yeah, just walk away, walk away! You [bleep]ing [bleep] [bleep]!", or some other line of that nature? Nope!

If anything, you're all being assholes, (with the exception of Kenoli and PCFredz). Sorry to sound harsh, but I must've missed when this forum was renamed to "ask a question and if it relates to a map type we don't like then screw you". Since when was this the feedback forum? The idea of this forum should be pretty easy to decipher: "If you don't know how to do something in your map, ask here, and get the answer to your problem.". Nothing more, nothing less. My request is that this topic is locked, seeing as Kenoli answered his question, and that the minerals for all posts but the original post and Kenoli's answer are subtracted from the accounts of all members involved, (including myself), since the context in which those minerals were gained is inappropriate.

Are you implying that calling someone a retard is a problem solver? I may be mistaken, and if I am, please point me in the right direction, but I don't recall reading anything prior to registering that explained how money maps are frowned upon here, so I fail to see how my initial post warranted an insult as opposed to a simple explanation. Do you understand? Wouldn't that have been the mature route to take? Wouldn't it have set a good example for this message board? And why do you act like money maps are equivalent to violent crimes? Honestly, chill. Feel free to answer those questions, though.

Every derogatory thing I've said has been justified. The first reply to this thread was an insult, and as I have already explained, multiple times, including in the paragraph above this one, giving reasons, that it was not warranted at all. You continue to pretend that I'm the bad guy and your only "defense" is childlike: "Money maps are bad, so I can insult you on a public forum and then tell everyone that you're the bad guy and pretend reality never happened." YOU CALLED SOMEONE A RETARD FOR NO REASON. FACE IT, YOU ARE WRONG.

I have made multiple points and explained each and every one of them. Here's an example of exactly the opposite: "Sorry, but returning with insults is in no way defending yourself or proving a point." Oh, the irony. The problem with that statement of yours is not only that the first idea in it is blatantly wrong, but that after saying it, you don't give any reasoning as to why, and then I reply with something about how this is only the Internet, and that IRL a person defends against physical attacks with physical attacks and so naturally to defend oneself on the Internet, one must do so via text, and on top of that you are a senior member, and in reporting your initial post to an administrator (I'm assuming that this is what you meant by "proving a point," because after all, since I had intended to get an actual answer to my question, this is the only alternative) I will likely solve nothing at all. Almost every response I've gotten has looked like "I disagree," followed by no reasoning whatsoever.

Your threats are worthless because I obviously wouldn't care if I were banned from a site that preaches sophistication from one corner of its mouth, and intolerance from the other. If you're such a responsible member, and a good person, why don't you see to it that new members receive a fair warning about money maps being frowned upon before you instult them and pretend you did nothing wrong.

Finally I'd like to point out that the "solution" you've been blathering about is apparently even more senseless than it was before based on the answer Kenoli gave me a number of posts prior to this one.

Oh, and try to read my entire posts as I do yours.




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You are correct on all points. I salute you.


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I agree in some instances, but I feel that "intelligent" is not the most fitting word in that statement.

I think that it's our job to provide map assistance, not criticize what kind of maps he likes to play or make. If he wanted comments on if you like the map or not, he would have asked for a review, or posted it in Map Showcase.

Agreed. Nothing more needs to be said here. 2957, would you please lock the thread? There's no need to debate this any longer. Lock it, report it to, perhaps, Yoshi, if you feel it is necessary. Allow action to be taken or not taken, and then we can all forget about this.

Lol, I thought when you selected geysers they were green circles...

I really can't believe you are writing page long posts defending Money Maps.

I thought he was talking about the minimap. But I was wrong.

Lol I just can't believe people actually still make FPME maps, I mean what more do you need? The regular noob map is fine Simple terrain, lots of money, hell just let the noobs mass away!

Not the selection circle around it... the rectangles that appear as you select a geyser building: http://tinypic.com/5fp6wm

I never said I was right in calling you a retard. Matter of fact, I apologized for my actions. What have you done other than continue to be an asshole? I'm sorry if you feel violated, I'm sorry if you feel offended. But as it stands right now you are the only person being an asshole here. I explained myself. You explained yourself and continued to insult.

Franky I wouldn't care if you didn't come back but I'm not going to do anything about that. I'm going to pretend like this whole thread never happened only because I made that comment. But you can, in no way, interpret that as me regreting what I have said.