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From my experience with the flaming in the serious discussion, I've just learned to REPORT everything and the moment you see a flame, just report it. Don't fight back with word, just hit the report button.

Here, I'm going to get my say in this. What's the problem? Let's look at some facts. When I first joined SEN, the average age was probably about 18 years old... and there were not many problems at all. We didn't even have a warn level system. Tux joined a little bit after this, if I remember, but it was for the most part still the same. As SEN grows and grows, the average is declining, I would probably put it in the 14-16 range now. Thus, the maturity of the site has also dropped. Also, there are a LOT more people now then ever before, and we're still bringing more in. As those who enter that are less mature get shown the door, its natural for them to be angry, thus creating the angry people, etc.

What needs to be done? Is there much we can do? Damned if I know, but we can try. The selection of people who could become moderators at this point is not the largest. Why? Two reasons... they're either just not the right kind of person, or they are mature and trustworthy, yet simply don't have the free time (But, hey, Tux, if you've got that free time, let me know ). But, there's still things everyone can do. Like devilesk. suggests, the report function is a terribly powerful and useful tool. Or, as Shatter mentioned, get on the primary focus. SEN was created for the making of maps, sharing of maps, and playing of maps. And sitting on a forum all day only gets one of thosee three done.

hehe i have plenty of free time i just don't know if you think im trustworthy enough

and sorry for misreading ur post tuxcedo i can see what your saying now

Yea, as I have talked with CheeZe about, most of SEN is noobs, as he said. Though he only cares about the "elite" group that he hangs out with, cough cough STAFF. Mostly anyone other than staff isn't a very good mapmaker

But most of all I think the SEN mindset is in the wrong place. As cheeze said, he doesn't care about maps, only concepts. How are people to create good maps if they don't care about the map and only fancy triggering?

Also I believe too many regular members here are arrogant and not very good at mapmaking either. They claim SEN is the greatest site and that they are great mapmakers because they know a few complex triggers and can work a fancy editor, but they never put out any good maps.

Really, what is the ratio of members to maps? It's like 100:1. But as CheeZe believes, the maps don't matter, it's all about the concept, and that we should just ignore the 99% of SEN that sucks at mapmaking

Also, I think the main feature of SEN isn't even the mapmaking section anymore, it's the "Other" section, including Garbage and Serious Discussion. Most of the regular people @ SEN don't even bother with many mapmaking things.

And most importantly the few maps that are getting finished aren't getting spread much at all.

But I guess most people can just think, oh forget all the pubs on bnet and just stick together and only play with eachother. Let's forget the majority of SEN and just stick with the good people.


Not in the eyes of some people.

BTW: I have plenty of time

yes i would have to agree with you guys that when there was only 1515 people registered, it was better. ive noticed the increase of stupid topics and gay shit and also in the shoutbox. so basically it was better in december and january in my opinion.

i dont have much time, thats why my participation went down 22%

Back when I joined a year ago, the average age was about 17 years. I was one of the younger members with 15 years and about to get 16. I used to look up to a lot of people back then, there were many good mapmakers and most of the original SEN members from 2003 were still active. Everybody was mature and helped everybody else, there were no moderators because there was no need for them. I'd say there were only about 100 active users on SEN that posted at least once a week.

Then came a transitional phase when a sudden burt of people cam to SEN. This was around the time of isolated's lone administrator period. SENv4 was relatively new and the DLDB Team was recently chosen. More and more forums were eventually put up to cope with the growing demand. More and more younger people started joining the site.

Then when Yoshi came back SEN started going "downhill" in maturity. When Clans started being integrated into the site another sudden burst of Clan people and people who hang out with clans came in, along with their customs. SEN started to become more and more noticed until it is a common place for almost every active mapmaker to come. We currently have over 5000 members. The DLDB is more than a nightmare for 3 people. We are getting over 7 files per day and when one of us gets inactive it really does pile up. There are way too many forums for the mods to handle easily. But we could manage, we had to work hard.

Around the time of that ICL invasion to SEN all hells broke loose. Flaming was as high as ever, spam was part of our daily lives and porn wasn't rare. The average age for SEN members is around 13-15 years and the average maturity level is around 8-12 years. There are also too many people that think they are better than everybody else and that they deserve more than everybody else. It's astonishing to see the amount of requests of people that have asked me to make them mods or put then in the DLDB Team. People worship the Staff but in the wrong ways. The members rarely know what the Admins are here for, not because they are a bit more inactive than the Staff, but because the members can't directly see what the admins do.

But there is still hope like in the old days of summer 2004. Remeber how devilesk used to be the biggest flamer on SEN? I worked with him a lot to have him change, and now he's one of the most frequent members that uses the Report function.

For my Conclusion I say that the increased level of inmaturity is because of the sudden mass inmigration of inexperienced people who want an easy and fast way to gain as much trust and respect as the people who date from way back in 2004. They don't want to work hard and they don't want to work with the right reasons of supporting something. I usually like to be the Staff member that interacts a lot with everybody, but slowly I have taken steps backwards from that, people don't appreciate the help that others give, that is why I have taken those few steps back.
That is why I have been more inactive in both B.net and the Forums lately, that is why the old crew of 2004/2003 is leaving or has left. That is why the maturity level has fallen.
Last of all, that is why Staredit Network is not as high quality as it used to be during the golden days.

I thought Sala was the biggest flamer?

No I am rofl.

SaLa controlled himself, he didn't go overboard and when he was told to stop he did.
devilesk just used to be a pain in the arse.

I still am a pain in the arse!



brings a tear to my eye ROFL



Yea beer's method of "working" with me was condoning my flaming for a while, then backstabbing me and hitting me with 3 pages of "idiot" and suspending me

Then moose's 550 post reduction/suspension again , then rightfully giving it back, but one more warn = minus 550 again

I was just talking to Sala today... apparently he's "gotten a life", so to speak. He has a car, a lot of friends, etc. He barely plays SC anymore. Things that would do all these flamers and wannabes some good.

Over the past couple days I've noticed long periods of times when NO staff was online, maybe except for Kame. But hardly any people were online at those times anyway

Yes.

Unfortunately, I'm not really a staff member yet, but after I slip some of this potion- I mean, sugar- into yoshi's drink that should all change


Hmm, I joined about a year ago, and the most immature thing I saw around was once or twice some idiot would get up the nerve to say why SEN sucks, or else randomly hit on me. Luckily, those people are gone now. Aw man I have a funny story relating to that.


I wonder if there was a way to make it so that the clans had a different address to be accessed at, like www.staredit.net/clans or clans.staredit.net, and in order to access the main forums you need to request validation. That might be impossible, but its worth a shot.

I say we ban all the noobs and keep all the elitests, that way, our map ratio goes from 1:100 to 1:25 and our average rises to 16.

This site is ment to help people right? Not to keep people who need help away.. You guys are getting away from the fact this site was made to help people...

Ultimo is alright at mapmaking though, just needs to produce more and contribute more

I believe that attitude will lead to SEN degrading.

Hey, you know what? I'm the best damn map maker here!





Just Kidding.

[center]Seriously, people. It seems like SEN's members have been getting more and more immature ever since I joined...[/center]

Look, tux, maybe you dont understand. You'll never change the immaturity of the people at SEN. Just ignore it.

God, i hate everybody.

What about Yoshi's matrix alpha?
I wish that map was finished, AND Xeno's scary map. "Moment of off topicness"

There may be a lot of dirty garbage out there, but it is clean for dirty garbage.
Meaning this forum's garbage is less garbage than the garbage in other forums.


About the maps, the new forums aren't helping. The mod forum, the terrain forum, and just calling generic mapmaking, "generic mapmaking", isn't too good for maps. SEN should me more focused on innovative and creative mapmaking than specializing in one aspect of the editor that no one can really play. I remember in the last SEN version that the only new forum introduced was the "concepts" forum. Now its branched out into parts of mapmaking that need to be together to make a whole map. There has been very little contests also. Everyone is also into this "retire" business, I think that when Sc2 comes out is when I worked enough on maps.