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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-07-31 at 11:51:00
Screw you guys, I will tell my rock to attack anyone I want. I mean look at it, its pretty badass...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2005-07-31 at 15:28:25
I thought it was a cloud.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-31 at 16:36:23
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Like a threat is any better.

It is, actually. If you threaten someone nobody gets hurt. It's incredibly simple.

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Apparently you have never been pelted in the face with a water ballon.

The kid was 9 years old... he doesn't have the muscle to do any damage with a water balloon.
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And secondly, there could have been rocks in the water ballon.

What kind of little kid puts rocks in a water balloon? If you ever come at me with a comb I'll throw a rock at your face and tell people I thought there was a knife on the other side.
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And third, you can't charge harrassment charges for a water ballon fight. You would have to charge assault charges, like she had them charged on her.

You can if she didn't agree to having a water balloon fight... I didn't read the whole article but it seems pretty retarded for someone to throw a rock instead of a water balloon in a water balloon fight.
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So, if a 21 year old women was being over powered by a 22 year old man and the guy was going to do bad stuff to her shifty.gif . and she found a gun on him and shot him *Below the waist* lets say the leg. It wouldn't be considered as self defence?

Guns are put under a different set of laws. If she had the chance to threaten him, but didn't, I'm pretty sure it won't be considered self defense. Seriously... you don't shoot someone unless you have a damn good reason. If you have any idea how much damage and pain a bullet causes, you'll know why.
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[sarcasm]Every 11 needs to be told what to do if you are being harrassed because it happens to everyone at the age of 11. OMG those parents are so stupid for not telling their kid not to throw a rock when she was being over powered by multiple boys.[/sarcasm]

Not specifically at the age of eleven. Parents need to teach their kids what to do in situations like this before they go wondering around without them. It's not hard to understand.
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oh yeah too bad she wasn't a celebrity because she would be innocent if she was.

No, she would have just been let off with a lighter than her already incredibly light sentence. Not that this topic had anything to do with celebrities... at all.
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Actually, if a water baloon hits you hard in the chest, it can kill you.

A nine year old has the muscle to throw a balloon at a moving targets chest with the force to kill an eleven year old girl?
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I find this utterly idiotic by the way, throwing a rock is not assualt with a deadly weapon.

Do you mean she should have been charged with assualt with a deadly weapon, or that it shouldn't... I don't know the exact charges and that has a double contradicting meaning. If you mean it isn't, it's not the fact that a has the potential of being a deadly weapon, it's that it was used as one.
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Shows how messed up our justice system if we convict a 11 year old for assault since she threw a rock.

How is that messed up? The system is taking action to show that it's not okay to hurt people, even if they hurt you a little first.
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Here in Preston, you touch someone that's a minor and you're above the age of 18, instant jail time for you.

Only if the person claims assault. It's because people are scared of teachers who are pedifiles. Why do you think teachers will never stay in the same room with one child?
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And I would really like to hear how the hell a rock is a deadly weapon, last time I checked, socks wern't deadly weapons either, but oh noes, you could strangle someone with one, best classify socks as deadly weapons too, I guess I'll be getting arrested for whacking someone with a sock now.

It's not that it could be used as a deadly weapon, it's that it was used as a deadly weapon. Bring a pen to school nobody bothers you, stab a pen at someones throat you'll be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Rules are rules.
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This is the sort of incident that makes me want to move to canada.

Please don't...
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This is just ridiculous really, did you notice the part about how they sent several squad cars and a HELICOPTER to subdue a eleven year old girl who threw a rock

If their parents had the wit to just take care of it themselves this wouldn't have happened. Someone clearly called 911... instead of asking for an ambulance, they wanted police... I don't know how badly the boy was hurt though so...

So many of you deserve to be told what you are... but apparently it's flaming here.

Stay away filthy (as in, not all) Americans.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-31 at 17:24:15
By all means, be my guest and threaten a cop, since I mean, no one will get in trouble since no one gets hurt.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-31 at 17:27:43
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It is, actually. If you threaten someone nobody gets hurt. It's incredibly simple.
The kid was 9 years old... he doesn't have the muscle to do any damage with a water balloon.

What kind of little kid puts rocks in a water balloon? If you ever come at me with a comb I'll throw a rock at your face and tell people I thought there was a knife on the other side.

You can if she didn't agree to having a water balloon fight... I didn't read the whole article but it seems pretty retarded for someone to throw a rock instead of a water balloon in a water balloon fight.

Guns are put under a different set of laws. If she had the chance to threaten him, but didn't, I'm pretty sure it won't be considered self defense. Seriously... you don't shoot someone unless you have a damn good reason. If you have any idea how much damage and pain a bullet causes, you'll know why.

Not specifically at the age of eleven. Parents need to teach their kids what to do in situations like this before they go wondering around without them. It's not hard to understand.

No, she would have just been let off with a lighter than her already incredibly light sentence. Not that this topic had anything to do with celebrities... at all.

A nine year old has the muscle to throw a balloon at a moving targets chest with the force to kill an eleven year old girl?

Do you mean she should have been charged with assualt with a deadly weapon, or that it shouldn't... I don't know the exact charges and that has a double contradicting meaning. If you mean it isn't, it's not the fact that a has the potential of being a deadly weapon, it's that it was used as one.

How is that messed up? The system is taking action to show that it's not okay to hurt people, even if they hurt you a little first.

Only if the person claims assault. It's because people are scared of teachers who are pedifiles. Why do you think teachers will never stay in the same room with one child?

It's not that it could be used as a deadly weapon, it's that it was used as a deadly weapon. Bring a pen to school nobody bothers you, stab a pen at someones throat you'll be charged with assault with a deadly weapon. Rules are rules.

Please don't...

If their parents had the wit to just take care of it themselves this wouldn't have happened. Someone clearly called 911... instead of asking for an ambulance, they wanted police... I don't know how badly the boy was hurt though so...

So many of you deserve to be told what you are... but apparently it's flaming here.

Stay away filthy (as in, not all) Americans.
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Why are you blaming the parents? It's not their fault the girl defended herself the only way she thought she could.

And what kinda little kid puts rocks in water ballons? Any kid!

And a 9 year old can pelt you pretty damn hard in the face with a waterballon.

Seems to me you like to blame the adults for the childs "problem"

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By all means, be my guest and threaten a cop, since I mean, no one will get in trouble since no one gets hurt.
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Exactly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-31 at 17:40:26
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Why are you blaming the parents? It's not their fault the girl defended herself the only way she thought she could.

She had dozens of options, and she chose the one that was, at worst (and decently probable), simply for revenge. It is the parents fault because you need to teach your kid how to not be a total moron when you aren't supervising them.
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And what kinda little kid puts rocks in water ballons? Any kid!

If all kids were sadistic little ****s maybe... I don't believe they are. You have to be pretty dumb to think putting rocks in a water balloon is a good idea... especially if they were big ones because they would probably break the balloon because they reached their target. You make it sound like you threw a water balloon with rocks in it at someone, and that's it's perfectly normal. You have no idea how annoying that is to me.
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And a 9 year old can pelt you pretty damn hard in the face with a waterballon.

...LOL
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Seems to me you like to blame the adults for the childs "problem"

It is a problem and I do. I'm not going to take advice on morals from you... considering what you've posted.
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By all means, be my guest and threaten a cop, since I mean, no one will get in trouble since no one gets hurt.

Since when do cops endanger the lives of people unprovoked? If the cop is corrupt you won't get in trouble for protecting yourself in a peacful manner (such has, threatening an unarmed corrupt cop with a gun). Seriously, you need to start thinking, I'm not your dad, it's not my job to teach you.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-31 at 17:48:20
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She had dozens of options, and she chose the one that was, at worst (and decently probable), simply for revenge. It is the parents fault because you need to teach your kid how to not be a total moron when you aren't supervising them.

If all kids were sadistic little ****s maybe... I don't believe they are. You have to be pretty dumb to think putting rocks in a water balloon is a good idea... especially if they were big ones because they would probably break the balloon because they reached their target. You make it sound like you threw a water balloon with rocks in it at someone, and that's it's perfectly normal. You have no idea how annoying that is to me.

...LOL

It is a problem and I do. I'm not going to take advice on morals from you... considering what you've posted.

Since when do cops endanger the lives of people unprovoked? If the cop is corrupt you won't get in trouble for protecting yourself in a peacful manner (such has, threatening an unarmed corrupt cop with a gun). Seriously, you need to start thinking, I'm not your dad, it's not my job to teach you.
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So you're saying that since my parents didn't "Teach me" how not to be a total moron unsupervised (I learned on my own) That my parents are horrible parents?

How do I make it sound like that? I was stating an obvious fact that could be implemented into the equasion. Why are you assuming things?

How is it a problem for a girl to defend herself? Are you a sexist? I don't see a problem with a girl throwing a rock in defence against a GROUP of boys that are pelting her with water ballons.

And if you threaten even a good cop they will arrest you for, "Endangering an officer of the law".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-07-31 at 21:50:07
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(I learned on my own)

Apparently not.
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How do I make it sound like that? I was stating an obvious fact that could be implemented into the equasion. Why are you assuming things?

I don't believe anyone, least of all a 9 year old, would put rocks into a water balloon. I figured the only reason you could think it's plausible is because you've done it, or had someone do it to you.
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How is it a problem for a girl to defend herself? Are you a sexist? I don't see a problem with a girl throwing a rock in defence against a GROUP of boys that are pelting her with water ballons.

I has nothing to do with her sex. A little boy has the same options as a little girl at that age. A group of 9 year olds with water balloons they can barly carry isn't that threatening to me. If you sprint to your house not one of those little boys will be able to throw it far enough. She threw the rock at them because she wanted to make them pay.
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And if you threaten even a good cop they will arrest you for, "Endangering an officer of the law".

You won't have to threaten a good cop, but if you did, they couldn't very well arrest you just yet for fear of their life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-07-31 at 22:03:31
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Guns are put under a different set of laws. If she had the chance to threaten him, but didn't, I'm pretty sure it won't be considered self defense. Seriously... you don't shoot someone unless you have a damn good reason. If you have any idea how much damage and pain a bullet causes, you'll know why.

in my situation the guy was going to "rape" her and the guy had a gun on him and the girl grapped the gun and shot him in the leg... your telling me you would lock that girl up? omg thts kind of frightening if you would..=/

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No, she would have just been let off with a lighter than her already incredibly light sentence. Not that this topic had anything to do with celebrities... at all.

she was from california so i was just joking around because michael jackson was let off and oj simpsons was let off.

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A nine year old has the muscle to throw a balloon at a moving targets chest with the force to kill an eleven year old girl?

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you never know bleh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-07-31 at 23:05:18
http://www.overcriminalized.com/studies/2004.01_ZT2.html
This link is actually fairly entertaining, about kids being overcriminalized. If you read, one kid was arrested for making a "joke threat."

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A 12-year-old with hyperactivity disorder told students ahead of him in the lunch line to leave some potatoes, or ā€œI’m going to get you.ā€ The principal called the police and the Louisiana boy was arrested for making a terrorist threat. He spent two weeks in jail awaiting a hearing.


Hmm...I didn't think you could get arrested for making threats huh?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Oo.ZeALoT.oO on 2005-07-31 at 23:11:41
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Thats ridiculous, some1 got arrested for eating a french fry in a certain place.... how dumb..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-07-31 at 23:42:19
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Apparently not.

I don't believe anyone, least of all a 9 year old, would put rocks into a water balloon. I figured the only reason you could think it's plausible is because you've done it, or had someone do it to you.

I has nothing to do with her sex. A little boy has the same options as a little girl at that age. A group of 9 year olds with water balloons they can barly carry isn't that threatening to me. If you sprint to your house not one of those little boys will be able to throw it far enough. She threw the rock at them because she wanted to make them pay.

You won't have to threaten a good cop, but if you did, they couldn't very well arrest you just yet for fear of their life.
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When I was nine I could carry a waterballon and throw one pretty damn hard, also. Why do you call kids weak? I read in the newspaper that a kid beat the :poo: outa someone who was going to kidnap her.

How do you know that? Maybe she threw a rock at them to defend herself.

If you threaten any cop, they will beat you with their club and arrest you.

It is illegal to threaten a cop.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-08-01 at 06:35:18
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in my situation the guy was going to "rape" her and the guy had a gun on him and the girl grapped the gun and shot him in the leg... your telling me you would lock that girl up? omg thts kind of frightening if you would..=/

What's better, shooting a guy in the leg and making a scene, or pulling a gun on him and calling the cops?
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you never know

For a 9 year old to have the force to actually hurt someone with a water balloon he would have to work out. If he worked out his still developing bones would get so weak his arm would break after putting the neccessary force into throwing the water balloon.
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Hmm...I didn't think you could get arrested for making threats huh?

There's a big difference, and I can't believe you don't see it. He's threatening them unprovoked, in our situation, the girl is being provoked and threatening them would cause the situation to end. If they ignored their threat and threw water balloons at her she would be allowed to carry out the threat. Use your common sense, holy ****.
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When I was nine I could carry a waterballon and throw one pretty damn hard, also. Why do you call kids weak? I read in the newspaper that a kid beat the :poo: outa someone who was going to kidnap her.

Someone needs to kick you in the face.
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How do you know that? Maybe she threw a rock at them to defend herself.

If she hadn't meant to get payback she would have just run. The decision to run doesn't take a whole lot of wit, and now look where she is. Durrrr...
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If you threaten any cop, they will beat you with their club and arrest you.

If they get a chance, yes, but they won't cause your holding a gun 3 feet away from their head. In all honesty, you should never have to threaten a cop, but some departments don't test their cops strictly enough.
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It is illegal to threaten a cop.

If you can prove it was for the greater good they won't do anything. Duh.

I'm done answering questions. I'm not going to convince you and it's just going to be a waste of time. Laws were made by people much smarter than you, that's all you need to know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ultimo on 2005-08-01 at 07:06:59
Point taken Psycho. I see what you mean, and you are right about it. I suppose I misinterperted. >.>
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-08-01 at 08:23:14
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What's better, shooting a guy in the leg and making a scene, or pulling a gun on him and calling the cops?
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The guy was at point blank range he could of just grabbed her hand since he is stronger. Also wtf not everyone is perfect and thinks clearly when your in a situation where you have to act quick. but im sure you wouldn't of shot him then he would of grabbed your gun and then killed you and then dots.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-08-01 at 10:17:30
I said if you had the opportunity. What do you think the guys going to do if you shoot him in the leg? If he's right on top of you his going to beat your face into a wall. Good job. You havn't given enough details on what exactly your rape scenario is. End of discussion me thinks.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-01 at 13:02:17
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What's better, shooting a guy in the leg and making a scene, or pulling a gun on him and calling the cops?

For a 9 year old to have the force to actually hurt someone with a water balloon he would have to work out. If he worked out his still developing bones would get so weak his arm would break after putting the neccessary force into throwing the water balloon.

There's a big difference, and I can't believe you don't see it. He's threatening them unprovoked, in our situation, the girl is being provoked and threatening them would cause the situation to end. If they ignored their threat and threw water balloons at her she would be allowed to carry out the threat. Use your common sense, holy ****.

Someone needs to kick you in the face.

If she hadn't meant to get payback she would have just run. The decision to run doesn't take a whole lot of wit, and now look where she is. Durrrr...

If they get a chance, yes, but they won't cause your holding a gun 3 feet away from their head. In all honesty, you should never have to threaten a cop, but some departments don't test their cops strictly enough.

If you can prove it was for the greater good they won't do anything. Duh.

I'm done answering questions. I'm not going to convince you and it's just going to be a waste of time. Laws were made by people much smarter than you, that's all you need to know.
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In reply to your first comment, even though it has been said, do you really think that a women that is three feet away from someone who is going to kill them, will really take the time to stop and hold the gun at their face and call the police? Most murderers aren't afraid of getting shot, so they would persist. So therefor, shooting him in the leg would be the best option and wouldn't cause a scene except for the cops to be called by the neighbors and getting the murderer arrested.

In response to your second statement. How would you know this? Have you ever had a nine year old throw anything at you? Be it a rock, a waterballon, or something soft? I suppose you haven't because you seem to "know everything" about a nine year olds strenght capability.

In response to your third statement. Do you really think that young teenagers would really stop after being threatened by, a girl? Especially in California? Hell no. It's common sense that that would not end any situation, at all. Maybe if an adult threatened them, they would. But when a girl threatens young teenagers, they laugh at them and continue to do what they were doing. And you tell US to use our common sense?

Um, not to be rude. But you're the one that needs to be kicked in the face if you're using logic that you have shown throughout your posts.

In response to your fifth statement. If she would have ran, they would have kept doing it. What makes you think they would stop? Again, you seem to know everything about the behaviour of children. What makes you think she wanted revenge? Maybe like I stated before, that she was defending herself the only way she thought she could. I know that running doesn't take a lot of wit, but running from a group of boys would only make them persist because they are getting what they want.

In response to your sixth statement. Where did you get the gun idea from? No one here stated anything about a gun and a cop scenario.

"If you can prove it was for the greater good they won't do anything. Duh." And you use this in your argument how?

And the laws were made by people smarter than me, hu? Hmm.. Being in the government makes someone smart does it? Anyone can get into the government if they have money.

And I don't understand how you think people are smarter then others because they were born rich and can afford to get into office. That's ludacris.

And I think that all I need to know is that most of the time, you try to come up with arguments that are, no offence, faulty. You tell us all to use common sense when in all reality, you need to start useing yours.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-08-02 at 00:50:05
All of this is stupid. Dont you get it?

1. It's an eleven year old kid, do you actually expect completely rational thinking in a threatening moment?

2. A rock is deadly weapon? A book can be a deadly weapon. A CD can be a deadly weapon. A Tonka truck can be a deadly weapon!(A toy) My mousepad could be a deadly weapon!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2005-08-02 at 01:49:35
Great, I see where our world is going..

Family1: Our neighbor is obviously trying to kill us. They obviously planted their trees to drop acorns in our lawn, causing our children to go outside and swallow them or slam them into their face to poke their eyes out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2005-08-02 at 14:47:02
Lol
Report, edit, etc...Posted by The_Shattered_moose on 2005-08-02 at 19:00:42
I agree with you completly mrrll, thats the sort of thinking this leads to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n2o-SiMpSoNs on 2005-08-02 at 19:30:05
we should ban
  • cars
  • boats
  • airplanes
  • knives
  • forks
  • sporks
  • bikes
  • lighters and matches
  • hammers
  • nails
  • rocks
  • the list goes on wink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-08-02 at 19:58:42
...or we could just stop people from using them as weapons to the best of our ability, which is what we do. Your arms, legs, head and torso are all weapons. If someone starts kicking the **** out of someone for no good reason they'll be locked up too.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2005-08-02 at 20:01:29
Then why aren't any of the boys locked up? They basicly attacked the girl with waterballons....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chef on 2005-08-02 at 20:16:35
Think about it. I'm not here to baby you the answers... Sometimes you have to figure things out for yourself. You're 18, you should know this.
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