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No, you could PM anybody who has it if you wanted it.

Remember the patch report? They didn't fix a bug that caused some maps to crash, it was a total lie. I guess they don't want to tell us.

Is there even any proof that something harmful can be done through the use of EUD triggers?

Yes it is.

I am going to use EUDEnabler regardless, FYI.

You'll never get it all. There is always someone, somewhere, that will find a way around things.

Sad day indeed, but I trust Yoshi's decision.

Its pointless now. You cant play with anyone, because they need the program too, and I bet most communities will follow this example and not support it either.


Of course.

Use it at ure own risk then, if their is a way to harm ure computer

It's possible to get it all and set up a restriction that can't be breached.

If you still have the program, I can't stop you from using it. If you spread it to other websites, I can't stop you. But be warned, when it gets popular, SOMEONES going to try to do something destructive with it. At that point, you can come over here and tell me, and I'll say "told you so".

There is so such thing as perfect security. Someone will find a vunerability. Someone will find a way around it. One way of making a virus is not the only.

**Ahem**

Good point, but i dont think people from SEN can be that stupid or can they

The one way is with EUD triggers. That's the method for this- if it's fixed, then yes there are other ways of coming up with viruses, but it wouldn't be through EUDs.

Blizzard doesn't want you exploring this even more. We're all supposed to drop it and stop it when the patch came out.

So there's a way to prevent the 'danger' of eud triggers?

when i just have restarted my Eud map

That was the point of the patch but some people want to continue it

Never.

Look everyone, the point is that we had something, and we lost it. No one will ever have to complain about the ethics of using this program anymore. There is no more hypocrisy. There is no more EUDEnabler. There is no more rage for EUDs: it died at patch 1.13b, and we tried to bring it back, but now we see that the risks are far not worth the effort. There will be people who are upset, and will attempt to continue research, but it is pointless now. No one Battle.net will use EUDEnabler anymore. EUDs are now such as a minority, that no one will ever know it existed, for the majority, and some of us too will forget it. We may now rest easy knowing that our computers are in one way safer from viruses, even at the cost of such a thing we wish so to develop. We did what we tried, we had fun with it, but it is now over. Yoshi made the right choice, and if you cannot see that, you might as well leave SEN. This too is what Blizzard wanted, for they wished it of us to discontinue our fervor. If you use it now, you accept the same consequences as the people who used this before. ou are on your own, until people decide to help them out once again. Blizzard patched it for a reason. Whether theywant to tell us why is their preroggative. It is their game. Their technology. We simply have the license to use it as well, so we may speak with others over the internet and interact with them though the art of game. Everything is dangerous, and Yoshi saw this as well, and he said "no". A dark day indeed this is (as of right now it is cloudy outside my room, I've had to use the lamp since 8 AM, when I woke up). But it is over; there is no more reason to go, except as an experiment. The majority STILL does not know about EUDs, and now they will never have to. This craze has passed, and now we can continue without EUDs, as we had once done a month ago. I say this to you, do not blame Yoshi, blame no one for there is no one to blame.

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Well, yes there is, but never completely. Basic things, we can stop, and it would not be hard.

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The guy below me was one minute late hahahah

Wow this topic is generating some buzz.

Do'h! Toad already posted it!

Now that we have discovered the possibility for extended anything in triggers to modify and read data, there will always be the possibility of virus until every single trigger action that somehow reads or changes anything to do with extended players is limited and controlled.

That is the only way it'll ever be safe.

Take for example the talk about the extended alliance status things. Just like EUDs, they are open for exploitation. We have started something pretty ugly here. I don't really know what we expect to do about it. One solution would be to disable any extended things in all triggers except for deaths, or as it is found to be useful (ability to modify other usefull memory locations). This would quite likely be quite a monumentous task using simply end-user sniffing and things, but we can't expect blizzard to do this for us. They have already created a patch to protect the b.net users, but their patch only dealt with extended deaths, so in reality, the b.net community is still vulnerable from other extended actions.

I appreciate your decision yoshi, but the problem still reamins. EUDenabler is not the only vulnerability that exists, and something must be done to address that.


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please dont post the list of whos reading the topic, it's a pointless waste of space and it happens to be rather annoying, if I cared who was reading it, I'd look at the bar that lists their names myself

The problem right now that we are dealing with are EUDs. This is not about being zealots of anti-hacking, but about the decision to remoce EUDEnabler from here. We should respect Yoshi's decision, and he made it for a reason.

I think this might be an act of self preservation... There is not a single mention of the 1.13b patch on the website at all. It seems Blizzard got scared of what it may possibly do if they let it stay. I don't think they should go and hide EUDs away from everyone, and thats what it looks like Blizzard is doing. Maybe they don't want SC getting uberpopular again or something... and yes this sounds like im a conspiritist to me as well.

And you know this... how?

one day(weather it be a week,month,year or any other time period) some one will continue EUD reserch and it will be revived.......although i agree with yoshi 100% there will never NEVER EVER be a way to exterminate this problem

Wrong. It's been proven to be dangerous. There is no conspiracy against starcraft.