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Well the old ones all had the same style, dirt rubbed hand built models and crappy sword fights with poorly animated lightsabers. As the new ones are almost complete CGI backgrounds, with highly coreographed fight scenes and supreme effects.

Nicely said ^_^

But just like comparing a hand made product to a factory made product, the older movies had more soul and energy to them when compared to the newer trilogy. The "hand made" older trilogy had its flaws and imperfections, but that's just what made them have feeling.

While I like 4, 5, and 6 better than 1, 2, and 3, in all honesty I don't think any of them were bad movies. What is REALLY driving me nuts about George Lucas is his tinkering with the old ones. For instance, in The Empire Strikes Back, you learn that Darth Vader is obsessed with finding Luke and it makes for some very dramatic action. But when you learn WHY he was so obsessed it makes you think that there must be more to him. As cold and evil as he is, the fact that he's desperately trying to find his son leaves a strong impression on you.

Now, in the newest version of that movie, George has edited some of the dialogue to make it sound like Vader only learns of Luke during the scene where he talks with the emperor. Then WTF was everything up until then about? He wasn't so extremely obsessed with finding the rebels before. They were more of a thorn in his side. He became obsessed when he learned that HIS SON - the offspring of the woman he loved so dearly - is one of their leaders. Lucas's change to that plot element makes Vader seem stupid and uncredible. In the original version, it sounds like he's trying to defend his son from the emperor by saying things like "he's just a boy" or "he would make a powerful ally." It lays the foundation for the breach of trust that, to me, made the scene in #6 where he sacrifices himself to kill the emperor seem so much more powerful.

I just wish he would leave the old movies alone for god's sake! The only changes I don't mind are the cleaned up and enhanced special effects shots. When he starts trying to make the plot conform to the newer trilogy, then something about the old one's magic is lost.

I remember at one point when I was writing a really long story, I went back and read some of the old stuff and thought it sucked compared to the new stuff I was doing. I was seriously going to rewrite it all, but then I heard a quote from an author - I can't remember who - that said you should never bother yourself with trying to rewrite old works because you are not the same person you were when you wrote it. That was enough to convince me to leave my old stuff alone and look at it as a marker for who you were at that time. I wish George Lucas had taken the same advice. It was the old trilogy that made us all love the Star Wars series, and he should leave them the way they were for those fans.

That was long! ^_^'

While you're right I think it makes more sense that Vader would be more interested... Obssesed even. After he discovered his son was one of the leaders, he knew what his son was capable of, and he didn't want to be overthrown. So he tried to convert Luke, whcih now makes slightly more sense. Because he new there was no way to stop Luke overthrowing him, but if he did it as his apprentice the Sith legacy would live on.

He was obsessed with finding Luke. The differnce between the 1980 Episode V and the 2004 Episode V is when Vader finds out. In the 1980 one, he has discovered this at some point between episode 4 and 5 and he is driven to find Luke. But in the 2004 one, Vader just seems unusually interested in the rebels during the first half of the movie and doesn't even know that he has a son until the emperor tells him so during the scene where they talk to each other. All I was saying is the change that Lucas made just doesn't fit with the rest of the story and I thought it was totally unnecessary. In fact, I think it weakens the story. It makes Vader seem more like a clueless puppet than the independent thinker he proves himself to be when he kills the emperor.

I like all of the movies except for number one: the phantom menace.

Second and 3rd ones were good, although not as good as 4-6.

I agree, someone should shoot Lucas before he can take away what's rightfully his. He gave it to us, now he says NO it's noyl 20% of my original vision... The illegitimate child.

i liked the clone wars, cuz all t3h jedi's died

not really. only 200 died. There were over 9000 Jedi spread throughtout the galaxy.

You got it all wrong man.

Vader was after that mofo who was strong in the force. He only learned about Luke being his son, after the Emperor told him.



If they were going to do that, they should have done it a loooooooong time ago

He could always use his uber special affects to make her look young again!


In the original release of the trilogy, Vader finds out about Luke before the emperor does. When Episode V begins, he clearly already knows and is obsessed with finding him. In the newest version that George has released, he has edited the dialouge to sound as if Vader had no clue until the emperor tells him midway through the movie. I think that should have been left alone because it hints at the fact that Vader has the ability to disobey his master and was trying to get to Luke before he could. I mean, it's really not THAT big of a deal when you really think about it, but for me it just took a lot of edge away from Vader.

You sure do go into depth when it comes to star wars.
I like Galactic better.
That's just the type of guy I am.

They could alter the story slightly to include a fat leia. Maybe make her pregnant, or a junkie.

She is pregnant in the Thrawn Trilogy.

Problem is, she gives birth near the end. How do they make her skinny again?

Liposuction is a wonderful thing for celebrities.

Or pillow bellies...

Where does it say that? About Vader knowing that Luke was his son. He knows about Luke, but does not know he is a Skywalker. He just knows he is very strong in the force.

It would have also made Vader's character inconsistant to the plot because he started out trying to get Luke before the Emperor does, and then as soon as he get's Luke, he tries to convert him to the Dark Side, and give him to the Emperor. Which, is what the Emperor wants.

What makes you think that Vader knew about Luke? He didn't even learn about Leah, until the last movie man.

Trust me. I'm sitting here with my good friend, and we have both been watching Star Wars since we were very little.

Oh! He brings up a good point.

If Vader was to just "know" that Luke was his son from flying behind him, would he not just "know" that Leah was Luke's sister when he spent more physical time with her?

I watched The Empire Strikes back three or four days ago. When the probe droid finds the rebel base on Hoth and sends its reports back to the Star Destroyer that Vader was on, the admiral and the other guys are debating over what it could be when Vader looks at the moniter and says "That's it, the rebels are there! And I'm sure Skywalker is with them. Set your course for the Hoth system." That was probably a good 45 minutes or so before the scene where the emperor first tells him about Luke.

While he never actually says "that's my boy!" I'm sure the fact that his name is Skywalker and the kid is good with the force was enough for him to make the assumption. But he does say "Skywalker" at the beginning of the movie. He says "I'm sure Skywalker is with them" in all versions of the movie, but in the newest one, he acts like it's news to him when the emperor tells him about it although he has already mentioned him earlier in the movie. As I've said, in the older versions, Vader didn't try to hide the fact he knew that Luke existed. He even tried to defend him in a way.

But... maybe... just maybe... Lucas was trying to make him sound like he was playing dumb in the newest one. If the emperor knew Vader had such a passionate interest in Luke BEFORE he told him, he might question Vader's loyalty. That makes me feel a little better. I just thought of that while I was typing this! God I'm such a nerd sometimes!

I don't want to get into a debate about it

Agreed.

But I still think the old ones are the besy