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cheeze, i dont mean to be a dueche, but...

1: i see the button on the side for reporting a POST...

2: if they're a button for reporting maps....tomorrow i hope you can deal with about 100 problems with melee.

now i haven't been as up to date with ums or mods, those might be having problems too, but i haven't seen any threads like this one on the forums for them.

not that i've looked very hard

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i guess i wasn't clear. was anyone complaining about bad forum posts...?

we're talking about the download database...(at least i was...)

and need i say that most of the forum posts are fine. emphasis on 'most' (ie, lock the one about "DAH WUT IZ TEH BEST TERRIAN FOR RACSE?!?!?" , if it isn't already)

and thanks for checking the forums and we'll report bad activity but do you think we could get moose to let us do anything? maybe valug should be a melee mod and yenku dldb keeper, or something like that. just an idea, flame me if you wish

I was talking to this guy:


And about the melee DLDB...


I've long complained to the admins of this site about the melee DLDB. They put maps in the wrong categories; they put good maps in regular category and bad maps in pro category. I made a post about this in the Feedback thread along time ago and some people also complained alongside with me. The admins, well mainly the DLDB keepers back then (which happened to mostly be controlled by Beer_Keg,) didn't listen, or I should say, didn't have time to do anything. They simply said that they don't really care about the melee on our site and put UMS maps as a higher priority.

I agree that we need DLDB keepers dedicated into making the melee dldb a good place. We forum moderators cannot do anything about it, unfortunately. At best we can protest alongside with you guys.

I took a look at the Melee sections in the DLDB and I still see it intact from the time that I was away (Jul-Oct). So yes, everything in Melee you see was done by me.

The main problem with placing maps in categories are different points of view. To my opinion, they are finely placed, to another person, it might be quite different. What I tend to look at in placing a map in the Pro section is balance. If the map is very well balanced, then I place it in the Pro section. Some other people think that it should be Balance//Strategy, and that brings me to my second point.

A long time ago(1st~2nd quarter if 2005) we had this very same debate and ended up in no conclusion. This was because, as I already stated, everybody has different views upon what makes a Pro melee map.

SeN also has no policy upon what makes a melee map "Pro", and thus it has been left to me to decide upon that unofficially.

If you want things to be changed, just create a thread in the Feedback forum and I'll gladly back it up and support it. But you need to make another in in this forum first, to have the Melee Map Making community come to it's own conclusion first, then you can manage the terms with Staff//Admins and we will see what type of policy we can enstate. But if the thread ends up with dozens of different opinions, and no general idea, nothing will be done regardless of what will have been said.

No new DLDB Keeper is needed for this, a new DLDB Keeper will be doing the same as I am currently doing, placing maps in whatever category he/she thinks about. We don't need someone with lots of experience to manage the Melee DLDB, he will still do the same as I do, hit approve//delete//PM//check the DLDB. What we need is official policy to have the DLDB run by, and this is your chance to take part in it.

[sub]I think a 'pro' melee map requires three things.

1. Needs to be balanced for all races.
2. Needs to be creative and interesting.
3. Need to be attractive and sexy.[/sub]

sorry millenium, didn't realize that.

but thanks anyway, it's true, lots of ums people post in here with no intelligence about melee at all and occassionally about ums maps.

beer:



that sounds nice. too bad they haven't said a damn thing about that.
and the "melee map making community" ...heh...gl...not many active ones. a few, but not that many. thanks for the attention though, and i hope we could get another mod or something.

i see managing the dldb isn't too hard a job for melee, it took you like 1 day to do it all. thats the thing, just check in like once a week and mess with the submissions, and i'm glad someone finally fixed it. well. accepted maps*. didn't really fix certain things or re approve the pro maps , etc, but thats not your job to do in 1 day. i'm glad something got done, and thats probably because of the posts in the "site feedback/bugs/discussion" forums, not this one. but props to voyager for putting this link in there and thanks for all of you listening and helping out and fixing it up a bit

and i dont want to write an hour long post (again) but...1 more thing i gotta say.




valug.......just.........

no comment.

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no comment but lmao....true but so simple.


garbage advice but i can see sarcasm unlike some people

You are not minorities. The truth is that SEN was built with UMS in mind. Sen is trying all it can with all its might to make melee "one with the group." The main problem is that Melee maps are alot more difficult to approve. Theres so many standards and regulations and advantages and disadvantages that have to be taken into account. Thats probably a main issue in the pro section. Im not sure about the melee section.

All of you guys should be ashamed. SEN finally decided to open up and give you guys an opportunity to be seen here. They gave you two new sections with all the pretty colors and stuff. Yet all you do is "bite the hand that feeds you." Sure we can complain. But we must not childishly cry, whine, and completely ignorant oblivious to what it is. People have lives beyond starcraft... I guess you didn't know that. Let the folks work. Let them handle what is to be handled. What difference does it make if your map is in the dldb now or later? Does it make the world of a difference if its in there in 2 days compared to 2 weeks? You can still host the map on b.net you know...

there are so many things that you just said that are so wrong.

1: ashamed? ASHAMED?! they farking ask for our opinions and when we voice it you think we should ashamed because we don't stay quiet forever accepting the bullshiz that happens sometimes?

2: obviously people have lives beyond starcraft, i mean, who doesnt, i post on this crap in my spare time, it's vacation recently, so why not...and hell if all it takes is one day to pretty much do most of what i wanted, well, it worked a bit.

3: i dont give a shiz if my map gets on there in 2 days to 2 weeks. i want some maps getting on there in 2 days instead of 2 weeks. i come on here because i dont LIKE the public bnet maps. and the meleers always offer great maps to use but when they arent accepted, well, my nuts, it just doesnt go well with me.

sorry if i'm "whining" and "crying" and "biting the hand that feeds" ...you think we should be happy with what we have. i guess i'll just use bwmn for better melee maps, and they have replays too. this site's pretty good, i'm not saying it's not, but if someone who comes out of nowhere. and thats ok, but this isnt.

Red2Blue
Participation: 16%
Minerals: 5,980

Type: Use Map Settings

you can come and start biznatching about how we aren't being happy with what we have. but you can't say that we don't need any more, because you're not the one who needs more. so...kindly just let us point out a few things that aren't as we would like them.

Amen.

I think we should just trash the pro and regular sections and combine them into one. Then in the topic descriptions, post an image (not uploaded to SEN, but to another place like imageshack) of the map. This way it can reduce conflicts over which maps people think should be placed in pro or not. And besides, one of the site's most uphelded principle is to treat every map equally, not to downgrade certain type of maps over others. Well then, how do people know which maps are good to play on? By looking at the map images that people would hopefully put in the map descriptions. The Pro and Regular sections are doing just that; discouraging people from downloading maps from the regular section where they might actually be missing out on some excellent maps which should be in the pro section. And you can already notice this; almost every map in the pro section has tons of views/downloads, whereas the ones in the regular section barely have any.

Eliminate the competition by making everyone equal. Sounds to me like Communism, but you do have a point. Everyone who downloads melee maps look for the most professional ones and don't waste time with inferior maps. They therefore assume that the maps in "Pro" are of professional quality; and as we all know, that's not always the case. Alot of decent maps in the "Regular" section have been overlooked and ignored. Maybe Combining them all into one solid group isn't such a bad idea.

On the other hand, that would piss some if not most people off and it would make the DLDB rather boring. This site needs a little competition among members. We can't just clump both these groups together. I'd like to hear another suggestion.

If maps are submitted like this, then there will be no need for categories, since people judge a map and determine whether they want to dl it or not by looking at the picture.

Too bad 90% of all melee maps no longer have map previews because SEN's admin biznatches are too worried about bandwidth to get off their lazy asses and take a quick screenshot.

I think if someone merged the forums (assistance and production) and also extensively cleaned the melee DLDB things would be in fine order.

I think that Pro section should be only pro maps, people could submit all the pro maps they know of, then for regular we could clean out money maps, unbalanced maps, and other uncared for maps and have only decent and better user made maps on it. I think that would have more people dl from it and start posting in the melee forum.

Its ok to complain... its just not okay to cry like you are. Wah Wah wah! Wah this! Wah that! Wah my maps aren't showing up wah! Wah you dldb keepers aren't doing your job wah! Its good to voice your opinions, but completely stupid and ignorant to complain about things that have reasons (which all reasons were given validly up there and in the Site Feedback). Cry more?

My type is Use Map Settings because they took out the UMS+Melee option that allowed you to be both (Yes I make both okay?). Yes I do need more, more patience from you.



Its pretty dang expensive for bandwith. Pictures burn huge bandwith, heck, when starcraft removed the "age" option from the profile it freed up gigs of space saving them billions of dollars (and they weren't even pictures! Just 4 characters)! Do you see anyone on this site helping out to pay for this site's monthly bandwith fee? (Yes but not many). If you all pitched in 20 bucks a month then you probably might see your little picture again. And your melee maps weren't the only ones ripped of their images. All pictures from other maps were removed too. Cry more?










As a final unrelated note: life is about the "bullshiz" that happens. Its not like life will always go your way. Be ashamed, you are asking for alot more then what you deserve (you think nothing of what the dldb people have to suffer through). The dldb people go out of their busy lives to post your little map. Its like forcing someone to do something they don't really need to do. Yes you should be quiet forever, people like you just blow huge amounts of pointless hot air like a very loose siren in a false fire.



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I was under the impression that these forums are to be used to offer help, advice, and address bugs, problems, and concerns. It makes me ill when I see people like you going out of their way to be the bully out of some bad 70's movie. If you feel that it's neccessary to pile truck loads of your verbal garbage onto to this forum, then I suggest you take your steaming pile of filth over to some random freewebs site or a Myspace. I'd rather not have our beloved bandwidth wasted on the likes of you.

Look who's talking. Mr. Filth.

Sure we address them, but you forget that sen is a forum, in forums people discuss and concern over the problems. We can't just state something and be done with it. Ignorant folk like you can just crawl under a rock and believe that everything you think is the right thing. You wont like everything you hear... if you can't accept that fact then don't accept life.

Also, we do use the forums to: "offer help, advice, and address bugs, problems, and concerns." This is a General Discussion section however. Not everything you hear here will be pretty.[/center][center]

alright...red...




I'll get to that in a second...but first.



want me to evade the censors? i can do that. do you think i want to get warned again? actually ill be honest, i dont care.

thats nice if you make ums and melee, thats why you're active in this forum. otherwise, i would report you.

secondly, i'll agree with you for a second. i DONT know what these dldb people 'go through'. dont ask me how clicking accept on 11 maps (takes a day, ask beerkeg, he did it) is so hard to 'go through'. i dont expect things to magically get fixed.

and lets say they are having problems, or they are overworked.

thats the whole point of this fu¢king topic!

WE CAN HANDLE IT OURSELVES.

and what i dont need is you coming in here, again, its fine to voice your opinion, but all you did in your past 2 posts was flame me for being annoyed that they aren't doing it as fast as they used to, and i KNOW the reasons, and i looked at it, and i think it's fine, the dldb keepers coincidently all couldn't get to their computers, i already read it, the point is, we always should have someone working on it!



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so many things are wrong with that sentence i shouldn't even start.

nice language, though, i give you credit for the 7th grade english class comparisons.

but why should we be quiet forever, things don't get finished by doing nothing... and i dont think this is a false fire, at least it wasnt until ONE dl db keeper came back and accepted all the recent maps. now you might say its a bit better. sure, it's relatively under control...we still gotta go clean out the sections.

and millenium....about the whole "combine them" thing, good in theory..bad in practice.

do you think anyone wants to dig through 200 versions of fastest possible or 5 minute maps made with random designs that resemble my †estcles for the 10 or so good "pro" maps that the site has to offer?

i'll stop generalizing the site by a problem only caused by bad luck happening to the dldb keeprs, already read the topic about it.

i'm too lazy to get a link to it though.



...things that have reasons, hm? maybe excuses? valid excuses, yes, but excuses nonetheless. i understand that people don't wanna go into the damn dldb every day and fix §hit up. i understand that people have a life beyond this site....i understand that all the dldb keepers kinda got screwed recently in their own ways and thats why. but i'll say it again, that...that just shouldn't happen. we should have someone that's like reliable backup in case of an emergency.



...am i forcing them?

thats the whole fu¢king point...

IF THEY DONT FùCKING LIKE IT, THEY CAN STOP DOING IT AND GET SOMEONE ELSE THAT ACTUALLY WANTS TO!

I don't understand what the hell you're trying to say, they're SUFFERING, i don't DESERVE this? you act like i'm killing them or some shi†.

i'm just asking them to do the job they signed up for, and if they didn't well, then they can resign, if they have problems, they can just give their shi† up.

and the bandwith thing....he said melee because this is a melee forum. if the rest of the maps images were ripped off, that's even worse! it's MORE of a reason to complain, if anything.



.....that.
is.
the.
entire.
point.


WE AREN'T STATING SOMETHING AND BEING DONE WITH IT, WE'RE TRYING TO GET ADMINS TO GIVE A SHI† AND LET ONE OF US DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

and i have no comment about the not accepting life bullshït...you wanna go post about the meaning of life or "not liking everything you hear", go do it in some other forum, not melee general discussion...

then you use the excuse of

your thinking:ok, it's general discussion, so i'm allowed to flame, hate, be completely useless, and act as if i have an I.Q. higher than the bar of soap that falcon uses to wash his nuts, when you aren't supposed to...

complaining...not complaining....being truthful. constructive. maybe it should be a new addition for version 5, who the hell knows...i almost want this to be pinned because of the crazy shït happening on here, i think you need to calm down a bit to be serious.

Congratulations, you've been promoted to a bad 80's movie! You character is clearly more developed and now has an understanding of how to use big boy diapers.

You're missing the whole point I was trying to get across: Take your bullshiz to another website. Although I agree that I do not always get a chance to hear what I want to hear from other's posts. That does not give you the right to shun our valid points by claiming that we are whining and crying. I don't want to hear another smart remark from your pile-driving shiz-mobile.

For those that ride the short buss: This post was obviously directed towards Red2Blue and not to Falcon_a

One sidedness always made the world go round.

I stopped reading your post after the first few sentences. It was very ironic; contradictory even. You seem to be ranting a whole bunch of worthless stuff that has no meaning whatsoever and has no point to this discussion beyond you acting like you know everything. Good job. Ignorance is bliss.



Theres a risk behind every action. Allowing one of you to manage the dldb could potentially cause more problems then what we currently have. Let the "vets" of the dldb handle it as they are best suited for it. They already said they didn't need your help.



Im not complaining, im actually happy they removed it. Now it doesn't take 5 minutes to load a single page in the dldb (before it used to load the whole page before displaying anything, which was the icing on the cake of course). Complaining is for sissies and babies; I guess I know, which of the two you are.



Constructive? You two just tore the house down. And I don't think im the one that needs to calm down. Truthful? What does an 80's movie have to do with this discussion or about me? Why are we talking about me again? Does that help the discussion in any way, shape, or form? It seems that you, Arden(WoF), helped zero percent in this discussion. All you have done was gone out of your way to attempt to poke and make fun of people and pull this discussion further out to sea then it should be.





Um, and you told me to take my "garbage" to some other forum? Whats all this trash you are posting here? It brings shame to the Null section if you put all that you've posted here in there. Talk about yourself before you attempt to diss someone else. Lol... attempt is the key word here, you might fail before you even begin.

I didn't shun, they are valid points. But these valid points that have valid reasons. Whats the point of discussing about valid points with valid reasons? Its like discussion on how 1+1=2. Does it equal anything else? No.. don't tell me its a window... or that its 11... I assure you it isn't. I only make smart remarks about stupid or pointless posts. Oh look, I made a smart remark for every post you and Falcon made, how strange...

Lemmie guess what you two are going to do next, probably attempt to make fun of me again for no reason or point reguarding the discussion, and maybe flame a little more. Or maybe attempt to bring up some "new" point in the discussion, which has already been discussed way back there in the 3 pages of worthless garbage. Have fun.


People are so selfish these days, lets just leave it at that.

Redundant, redundant, redundant. I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of fighting fire with fire. It's the only way to get through to people like you. I could biznatch for a year, quoting you about 15 times and replying separately to each one. But I don't have the patience for that.

This is officially a dead topic thanks to you... What was it originally about? Nobody cares, but I'm sure everyone reading all this is lapping up every sentence of our incessant biznatching. I'm done being bitter, I don't really give a shiz anymore; say what you want.

red...that post was by me...

do i really need to say anything else?

you say i'm being contradictive by putting someone elses post up.

people can want the same thing and not express it the same way. i would assume you'd have already learned that from all your 'life isnt fair' ' accept the "bullshiz" ' , your post on the meaning of life, etc, because people that feel that way usually understand when things dont go their way... you might realize i want a few things done, and i dont wanna mess up the dldb even more, i would OBVIOUSLY get the opinions of other map makers before i would accept maps into pro, and i'm not the best suited for the job, i cant be on here all the time, but i usually check every couple of days.

i really shouldn't bother answer this, but this thing could have ended a long long time ago. as a matter of fact, it was done. i was happy beerkeg took care of it, and i look forward to maps being accepted faster. but that was only one of my problems with the current melee database. and the picture thing, it never loaded the picture on the list (at least not for me), it loaded the picture on the map dl screen. i find a picture helpful because it allows me to not need to open up staredit and check the map out, which many people protect anyway. i dont blame them, it just makes it a bit difficult to make a small judgement on the map before actually playing on it.(staredit the program, not the site, and dont say "the site is staredit network, i pwnz u gg", because i know that, but some people might think when i say staredit, i mean staredit the site)

right now, there's much much less of a problem then when there was when i made my first post.

and you really haven't helped too much at all. you came in here flaming me, which i understand why you would, but you seem to think there's no problem at all. maybe as moose had up in some other post about the entire dldb, maybe the melee section maps should be reaccepted, as in thoroughly checked out before accepted onto the site, and we could clean out some of the lower quality ones. i dont mean to be as violent as you make me seem, just some of what you say bothers me because some of it isnt true.

and by i think you should calm down, i mean i think we should calm down, this topic has gotten way out of hand, i'll admit it, because many other people are somewhat displeased, as i am.

now how do you propose we clean a little up, and all i want is a little at a time, i dont mean to be a radical, i obviously cant show up here and ask people to change the way they run the site. all i am asking is that maybe we can see a little bit of a change in a certain area, and hey, if not? thats fine. but they still havent given a direct answer.

this post was only more quiet than the others because i figured it might make you shut the hell up . and i hope you read it all the way through, and if anyone was posting pointlessly to prove they're right, it's you.

and that isn't opinion. check a few of the things i've said and you've said. and if you fail to see it, i'm sorry.

I was done a while ago. Stop trying to act all nice now that you are satisfied. A deceptive snake you are. .


Flame? Where's the flame? Theres a flame? What is a flame? F-l-a-m-e?





ON AN UNRELATED NOTE:
Why does everyone protect their pride so much on SEN? It seems everyone I "discussed" with have super egos and always want to win with whatever it takes. Im confused I am. I just want to show everyone the other side to the story, but noooo! I guess society doesn't work that way.

Seeing how there's really nothing to discuss now and all people are doing now is just yelling at each other, it is time for this thread to...

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