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God i'm a retard. I missunderstood Legacy. I thought that Alex's sources were online. Read below.



Read: Do you really think that a public library, which is owned by the state, which is owned by the federal government, would actually allow the published copies of conspiracy theories to be allowed to the public? Why do you always have to order them from websites, or from TV? Just think... The wool is pulled over your eyes more than you realize.

The government cannot run off of intelligence, so it must keep ignorance at a high. That is how ALL forms of government work. Monothiesm, Polythiesm, a Republic, ect...

Babylons: Hammurbi's Code.
Romans: Emperors new cloths.
English: Look at the Middle Ages.
Egyptians: Look at the Pharaos. (Spelling. Meh)
American Republican-Democracy: Look at what we have allowed, now.

It's been a proven fact, that most of the American People are uneducated, or are ignorant of the government, and can't even name the basic three branches of our Republican-Democracy. What would happen if most of them were educated!?

Wow this is the most bullsh** ever. He's just trying to get u all to believe something and go against the govt. Why does he put music on his documentaries like that, only to make the scene more death-like and make it seem evil.

Also, that towers demolished is also a bunch of bullsh**. The towers collapsed the way they did because of the impact of the plane destroyed the perimeter columns, so the building didnt have enough support that it was desighned to. And yes, the fire would not be enough to make it collapse, but when the planes crashed they destroyed a lot of the fire protection they had. I doubt they thought a freaking plane would crash into the building when they designed it. The fire only weaked the support columns enough for them to break and since the floor isn't designed to support all the weight falling on it it collapses under itself. Also the fact that the steel weaked over time from the flames contributes to it. The fire protection that was designed to stop the steel from melting could easily have been blown off from impact. When the flooring system failed the perimeter colums would buckle outwards causing the floor to collapse, which in turn causes the upper floors to fall on top of that floor causing a collapse, and i dont know if you've taken physics, but the momentum of the mass of the upper floors would crush the floors below it. And what is this crap about how they 'fell straight down'. Only one tower fell straight down. The other tower fell like it should have.


http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml

I dont trust this guy at all. He's just one of those radical anti-goverment people, who say the most bullsh** things they can make up, from the smallest amount of actual evidence. I'd also like to know exactly where this guy got all his evidence from, you know since he's right and everything. Why should we believe what he says? I the hell i could make a website and say. "The government is actually aliens who plan on destroying the ego waffle corportation" then say some stuff like "They did blah blah to Ego a while ago" and "they're mistreating ego" OMG its true! He's just trying to sell his ideas.

Its not called Operation Urban Warrior. I was just calling it by what Alex Jones lables it. I was just saying that it is standard that they train for that. As for marshal law umm with it enabled you have no rights. If there is a terrorist attack and you are trying to oppose the Military they will lock you up. In those Videos did you hear any of the people screaming for water and the soldiers telling them no? Well no its just Alex Jones putting words in of his own to make a scene look more realistic to his means. They would only arrest those that are unruly in a Marshal Law situation.

May I point out again, that Aluminum planes cannot destroy steel?

Can you prove they weren't? Didn't think so. Also shady, thats complete bullshiz what you said. As the 911research link proves, fire, nor the plane would have toppled it the way it did. That pic you have, yes it started sideways, but as i've seen in the vids it still went dstraight down. Not sideways. If you watch the vid WITHOUT alex Jones there is enough proof to refute every sentence of your post. Even fire fighters of NYFD said they heard explosions and felt them on floors 7,8, and 9. Even without the fire protection, it was not hot enough to melt structured steel. Obviously you haven't been reading. Structured steel melts (or burns) at 1500 degrees celcius, the flames were oxygen starved therefor as experts agree, could not of been hotter then 800 degrees celcius. They were the FIRST steel skyscrapers in history to collapse due to fire. Another question, whats that explosion BEFORE THE PLANE EVEN TOUCHES THE BUILDING!?! What about the explosions about 5 floors below destruction as it came down? Are you going to say that the NYFD fire fighters are liars, that you know more then them? didn't think so. What about the fact that at 32,000 ft altitude, you have a 0.006 chance of getting service on cell phones. How did both planes happen to get calls off? The stewardess and passenger called before the plane made its desent. also one of the passengers who supposedly called his mother, give his full name? Also how did a passport of one of the "hijackers" survive the explosion and land blocks from the towers? Yet the black boxes did not survive. Interesting... Also how does having music in a video prove that its all bullshiz? This is why I posted this in the Serious discussion forum, because you don't have complete imbiciles there (not saying they are all smart).

And you know that Marshal Law is against the constitution, yes?

Umm i didnt say cause it has music it's bullshiz. If you've ever seen a horror movie, the directors or whoever put scary music ambiences in it to make perfectly ordinary scenes seem spookey, such as a man walking down a hall. That's what i'm saying he is doing. Using music/ambiences to make his documentary shift towards his views. If he would put some 'heroic' sounds like you find in war movies it would make the police look like heros in those shots.

And as for the fire. If you read my post you would have noticed that i didnt say the fire MELTED the steel. I said they WEAKENED it. Due to the fire protection being blown off from impact, causing the steel to weaken and eventually collapse, which would cause it to fall like it did. And yeah structured steel may melt at that temperatur, but what about stuctured steel that was hit with a god damn plane? Dont you think the plane would weaken the steel, not to mention the weight of the upper floors on the steel due to the fact that the plane knocked out the perimeter beams. This entire argumenet sounds like one of those retarded things like
"Tupac is alive" "Where is elvis" bull. Just because some facts are not explained doesnt mean it didn't happen. Where's your proof of an implosion? I mean actual proof, not a theory, not a "Why did this happen". I have a question for you. WHY THE HELL WOULD THEY DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND KILL ALL THOSE PEOPLE. To go to war? To finish what bush's father started? Are you freaking kidding me. We didnt go to iraq cause of this alone, If that's what bush wanted he would have made up some other excuse and not kill all these innocent people. Are you trying to say that we planned all the other attacks, aside from the towers. Like the pentagon, or the plane
that crashed in Somerset County? What was those about?


"Wheres your proof"

I agree where is his proof. Steel does melt at 1500 °C degrees no one is refuting that. Did you know that even at 800 °C degrees though that steel is Malable, which means can be bent or molded. As for the flashes on floor 5 when it was collapsing, think about it. Fire Traveled down the central shaft. Well what if the wind force from the building collapsing was pushing the flames out of the building, which would explain the flashes you see as the building collapses. Science and Technology are against Mr. Jones it seems. I never hear them once saying that there is bombs. I hear them say explosions but you know explosions do happen in fires.

The fireball theory could not be correct because even as the NYFD stated, there would be black soot in the lobby (where an explosion also occurred, and the government said because of a fireball down the elevator shaft. All they saw was windows blown out, and white dust everywhere. They could also smell cordite. I highly doubt cordite is contained on an aircraft or in the buildings infastructure. Sure enough though... explosives contain cordite. Coincidence? Did the Fire fighters track cordite on their boots. Bad NYFD... told them to take their shoes off.... BTW there with him. If you watched Arbs vid fully, the NYFD clearly states bombs are going off, and when interviewed the NYFD (3 fire fighters that is, at their HQ) say it was like a controlled demolition, boom *uses hands in gestures of floors being exploded* boom, boom, boom, boom. They are full with him. What about the explosion before the plane hits, also the device attacked to the bottom of the jet? Those people that say the couldn't see any windows... I believe I smell a hole in your argument.

ADDITION: As I forgot to add a few things in, I will add them here.
1. Music in a documentary has been used many times to either a) get you into it, or b) to keep you from falling asleep due to facts. The history channel uses music, why? Do you really think people want to hear the same voice and a movie without music or special effects. Tell me, would you watch any movie at a movie theater without them?
Also its already been proven that there was no air where the fire was because the flames were oxygen starved, therefore making them a LOT cooler. That building which is proven by the creater himself, was designed to withstand an airplane, after the empire state building incident it was fitted with extra precautions. Also the beams were up to date, and were fully capable of holding fire back. Tell me how it was BOTH of these buildings that fell when countless other steel skyscrapers held? One building in LA I believe held for 19 hours with flames that WEREN'T oxygen starved therefore burning hotter, yet it only gutted 8 floors. These were the first steel skyscrapers ever to collapse due to flames. Theres no other explaination to the floors blowing out in precision as it fell then demolition. The wind force is improbable, because I doubt it would of shot debris this far out:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/mushrooming.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/centered.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/airtop.html

Mushroom cloud? Concrete being vaporized in the air? How was the top of the building, which should of just shattered once it hit the bottom, be destroyed with such force as to eject it 70 meters? The top was supposed to ride the destruction down like a wave, yet here it gets blown from the tower. hmmm....

BTW, we're talking STRUCTURED steel, not just steel. Its a much tougher version.

http://www.answers.com/topic/cordite
Search through the definitions for it.

Cordite could definently be present in the explosions.

Also, cordite is not used in demolitions or military munitions, due to the low explosive yield. Also, it's not used in the U.S. frequently because it damages the barrels of firearms/weapon systems it was used it.


http://www.dyerlabs.com/guns_and_ammo/firearms.html

Hmm. Your story has some holes too i see.

Yet some people smelled it... wierd? Well I guess your calling the New York Fire Department Fire fighters wrong I guess. Doubt it. Also, I never said it wasn't present, I said that they could of been used in the WTC. So your saying that all demolition teams, used to take down buildings, will not use cordite?

What i'm saying it just as likely could have came from the JET FUEL.

You use the same arguement that S.T.A.R.S-Chris uses, when Jet Fuel, cannot burn at heats that high.

I doubt cordite is used in jet fuel. BTW have you ever witnessed gas blowing up? If you throw a match into a small barrel of gasoline, it ALL ignites. Not just a little bit and continues burning for hours. It all is consumed in the ignition. In cars they drain the gas from a tank and bring it into the engine. If they ignited it all in the gas tank it would all explode wasting the gas and the car. The jet fuel, once ignited blew up, thats what that huge explosion in the towers as soon as it hit must be. Now those blasts 90 floors below as the NYFD says were explosions, they smelled cordite, the ground shook. If you watch Arb's vid (which you should be happy contains no alex jones) proves most of the facts. The cell phone calls, the explosions before the plane hit, the explosions below the destruction, the explosives 90 floors below, etc. Its a bit long but worth it.

ADDITION: In that vid it even explains the jet fuel could not get hot enough to reach 1500 degrees celcius melting point for the structured steel.

Shady, it's been established that the reinforced steel used in the WTC towers could not be melted by an explosion of jet fuel. Anyone who argues otherwise is just contorting fact.

Know what can melt steel? C4. Molten steel was found in the basement levels of the North and South towers (and WTC 7) weeks after the buildings' collapse. There's no way in hell that was caused by exploding jet fuel.

Gas itself is not what burns. It's the fumes.

I already knew that, but thx for input...

I believe you've already been disproved of the steel melting.



Even you said it was around 800 degreese. The steel didnt need to melt, only bend. That is not counting the impact from the crash and explosion. The WTC structure is designed to provide structural support that spread the weight of the system from the outer structure to it's interior. When the plane crashed it damaged the supporting perimeter structure making the building weak. The contributing heat caused the supporting structures to collapse in the same manner as you said it should, as if it were ''demolished'', or the "Pancake" effect. You said something about these being the only ones to collapse, but the only way to prove your point would be with a history that doesnt exist. There has never been a scenario like this one. There has never been a fire at that altitude where a fuel fed fire covers several contiguous floors over such periods of time. The fire extinguishing systems were damaged from the crash, and it prevented the fire fighters from going near the fire.

EDIT: Yeah the NYFD heard ''explosions'' untill they realized that it was the floors of the trade center "pancaking" on top of each other that made the noise.

So now you're trying to change your arguement, because you have been proven wrong?

That's not a good way to debate.

And I doubt that 800 degrees C, would "bend" Steel.

You shouldn't even debate anymore. You've changed your arguement because you've been proven wrong.

How did i change my argument? i never said the steel Melted. I said it was weakened, and bent.

ADDITION:


Hmm. Yeah.

My bad.

But you're still ignoring the testimonies by the Fire Department.

I edited my post above. I said that it could be very possible that the "bombs" they heard were actually the floors falling on each other or "pancaking" above them.



Hmm.. floors falling on each other due to that i said above... yes..firemen hearing explosions..yes..creating hurricane type force winds from the floors falling on each other..(Hey! That would explain the knocked out windows!)..yes..hmm. Yeah.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0209/07/pitn.00.html

Why did you add this in after my post? Is it because you saw that without this, your arguement wasn't plausible?

And I doubt creaking noises (mmrrrrrrrrrrreeeerrrrrr) make a KABOOM noise....

I edited it twice. It was there before. I just put it at "EDIT" so you'd be able to see i changed it. ^ ^ ^ Read Above ^ ^ ^. Not eerreeee noises. BOOM BOOM BOOM floors falling on each other noises.

Again I must ask you, Why do you edit your posts? You're always editing your posts. Is it because you realize that your arguements are not plausible?

The post above mine has been edited. You added:

I believe your name fits you well.