Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-28 at 11:09:52
QUOTE(n2o-SiMpSoNs @ Feb 27 2006, 12:39 PM)
I think that abortion should be legal. Your not alive until you come out your mom's frontal fun hole. 
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So you're saying that when you're inside your mothers womb, and your brain waves are fully functional, you are not alive? Is not being alive, being able to comprehend and learn things? Being sentient??
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Feb 27 2006, 04:06 PM)
Scientists consider bacteria life, single celled organisms. So why isn't a fetus life?
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Because look at the words you used, nimrod: SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS.
That's exactly why your argument pwns itself. Singled Celled Organisms are not able to fully live like other creatures.
And i've never heard of these scientist claims. Please provide us with a reliable source.
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Feb 27 2006, 04:07 PM)
Because people don't go around claiming that killing bacteria is murder.
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So true.
People are sheep.
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Feb 27 2006, 06:03 PM)
Neither bacteria nor earily fetuses are sentient.
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"Early" fetuses. Week 14 is when they start moving. So you are correct. But with your logic, it is okay to kill something, just because it cannot think. That's arrogance to the fullest. Think about it. What if you were aborted? Would you not be angry at the fact that you never had a chance to be here, and experience anything? (Just putting the thought into your head)
What gives you the right to destroy something that has potential to become something grand? Are you God? Did God give you the right to destroy something that has no say?
Oh. So you're saying it is okay for us to destroy things that eventually become sentient, just because early in the development stages they aren't?
With that logic, you are supporting the ideals that I may go and murder a child, just because it didn't know multiplication at the time. Or that I may murder a full grown individual just because they do not know how to run a computer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-02-28 at 18:33:43
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"Early" fetuses. Week 14 is when they start moving. So you are correct. But with your logic, it is okay to kill something, just because it cannot think. That's arrogance to the fullest. Think about it. What if you were aborted? Would you not be angry at the fact that you never had a chance to be here, and experience anything? (Just putting the thought into your head)
Yes, but think how many desperate and disasterous other lives it can save. You can look at other point too, Zordon. And also, i wouldn't be thinking such complex thoughts when I am 2 weeks old...
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What gives you the right to destroy something that has potential to become something grand? Are you God? Did God give you the right to destroy something that has no say?
What gives me the right? It doesn't give ME the rights, but it definitely gives mothers rights. Their mistake, they get the right to "clean it up" and move on.
And who says there is god in the first place. God is a man made term to explain the unexplainables.
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Oh. So you're saying it is okay for us to destroy things that eventually become sentient, just because early in the development stages they aren't?
No i am not saying it will become sentient, but what I am saying is that we can save OTHER important lives from being destroyed by the baby. And usually people who can afford the abortion fees are the middle class, high class people anyways.
And how can you know it will become sentient? Probablity that it will happen is near zero.
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With that logic, you are supporting the ideals that I may go and murder a child, just because it didn't know multiplication at the time. Or that I may murder a full grown individual just because they do not know how to run a computer.
You are now getting off topic and absurd. 2 week old babies are not the same as 7 yr old child. I didn't say it was humane to do such, but it is right thing to do in terms of OTHER lives.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-28 at 19:05:34
No, it wouldn't help and well..a cell is a cell..not a living person..Yet. But it's also still commiting a sin in my opinion. Then again the human population is becoming way too large.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-02-28 at 19:09:41
Abortion should be legal, if not encouraged, the world has too many babies these days. Especially China.
A woman has a right to have her foot removed for no obvious reason, as long as the baby is in there it should have the same right.
No fetuses are sentient, children aren't even sentient until they're about 3 or 4.
A woman has a right to have her foot removed for no obvious reason, as long as the baby is in there it should have the same right.
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Neither bacteria nor earily fetuses are sentient.
No fetuses are sentient, children aren't even sentient until they're about 3 or 4.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-02-28 at 19:22:01
QUOTE(Infested-Jerk @ Feb 28 2006, 12:41 AM)
But overall, all those teenage morons who get themselves (or another girl) pregnant should have to deal with the reprocusions of it.
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So your basically saying "Lets fark up the parents lives and have the child live in poverty and be miserable all their life."
Because thats what happens 90% of the time. The Parents quit school and have shizty jobs. And the kid suffers anyway.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-02-28 at 21:07:20
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 28 2006, 08:09 AM)
So you're saying that when you're inside your mothers womb, and your brain waves are fully functional, you are not alive? Is not being alive, being able to comprehend and learn things? Being sentient??
Because look at the words you used, nimrod: SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS.
That's exactly why your argument pwns itself. Singled Celled Organisms are not able to fully live like other creatures.
And i've never heard of these scientist claims. Please provide us with a reliable source.
So true.
People are sheep.
"Early" fetuses. Week 14 is when they start moving. So you are correct. But with your logic, it is okay to kill something, just because it cannot think. That's arrogance to the fullest. Think about it. What if you were aborted? Would you not be angry at the fact that you never had a chance to be here, and experience anything? (Just putting the thought into your head)
What gives you the right to destroy something that has potential to become something grand? Are you God? Did God give you the right to destroy something that has no say?
Oh. So you're saying it is okay for us to destroy things that eventually become sentient, just because early in the development stages they aren't?
With that logic, you are supporting the ideals that I may go and murder a child, just because it didn't know multiplication at the time. Or that I may murder a full grown individual just because they do not know how to run a computer.
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Because look at the words you used, nimrod: SINGLE CELLED ORGANISMS.
That's exactly why your argument pwns itself. Singled Celled Organisms are not able to fully live like other creatures.
And i've never heard of these scientist claims. Please provide us with a reliable source.
So true.
People are sheep.
"Early" fetuses. Week 14 is when they start moving. So you are correct. But with your logic, it is okay to kill something, just because it cannot think. That's arrogance to the fullest. Think about it. What if you were aborted? Would you not be angry at the fact that you never had a chance to be here, and experience anything? (Just putting the thought into your head)
What gives you the right to destroy something that has potential to become something grand? Are you God? Did God give you the right to destroy something that has no say?
Oh. So you're saying it is okay for us to destroy things that eventually become sentient, just because early in the development stages they aren't?
With that logic, you are supporting the ideals that I may go and murder a child, just because it didn't know multiplication at the time. Or that I may murder a full grown individual just because they do not know how to run a computer.
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Ok for one, people were refuring to fetuses as not life or implying that they are not.
I was asking how they are not life if other organisms that are less complex are considered life. By AP Bio teacher tells me they are life, do I think I will listen to him then other younger people.
And its weird that you are bais against me beucase you are argueing with and against me at the same time....
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-02-28 at 21:12:36
As DTBK pointed out, there is a difference between life and sentience. Potatoes are alive, yet French fries are still legal.
I believe that abortion should be legal, for the reasons previously stated (endangering peoples lives, parents can't support another child, etc...)
I believe that abortion should be legal, for the reasons previously stated (endangering peoples lives, parents can't support another child, etc...)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-28 at 22:05:17
And FYI, if you guys didn't know this already, but Just because people are against abortion doesn't mean they're religious. Whether you see abortion as right or wrong, religion plays very little, if any, role in this unlike gay marriage.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-02-28 at 22:13:50
Except for the part where there are masses of protestors who do the anti-abortion marches in the name of God.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-28 at 23:36:01
I'm having a safe sex relationship with a girl my age right now, and if she becomes pregant, the baby would destroy both of our lives. Both of our hopes and dreams. So don't dare tell me it should be illegal. And don't dare tell me not to have sex.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-28 at 23:51:20
It should be illegal because it is your fault if the mother get's pregnant, not the babies.
Edit: And let me get this straight. You would kill off your own flesh and blood, because of a mistake YOU made? Where is the logic in that?
Edit: And let me get this straight. You would kill off your own flesh and blood, because of a mistake YOU made? Where is the logic in that?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-02-28 at 23:53:05
Some people I know say that if you have an unwanted baby, as in you dont want to raise it, you could just send it to some adoption center or something rather than destroy it. It could also give gay couples greater opportunities to adopt a child 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-28 at 23:53:39
Exactly. It's much better than killing your own flesh and blood.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-03-01 at 00:14:46
QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Feb 28 2006, 06:12 PM)
As DTBK pointed out, there is a difference between life and sentience. Potatoes are alive, yet French fries are still legal.
I believe that abortion should be legal, for the reasons previously stated (endangering peoples lives, parents can't support another child, etc...)
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Exactly.
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Would you not be angry at the fact that you never had a chance to be here, and experience anything? (Just putting the thought into your head)
No. I wouldn't "be" anything, fetuses can't be angry, they're not sentient.
If you don't support the killing of any organism, too bad for you humans are heterotrophs. We have to eat to survive.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-03-01 at 02:37:42
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As DTBK pointed out, there is a difference between life and sentience. Potatoes are alive, yet French fries are still legal.
I believe that abortion should be legal, for the reasons previously stated (endangering peoples lives, parents can't support another child, etc...)
I believe that abortion should be legal, for the reasons previously stated (endangering peoples lives, parents can't support another child, etc...)
If they can't support the child, give it up for adoption.
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If you don't support the killing of any organism, too bad for you humans are heterotrophs. We have to eat to survive.
ZOMG! Jeffery Domner murdered many many many women, and ate them! He was just surviving!
If you support killing your own child, you deserve to rott in your grave
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-03-01 at 03:46:35
QUOTE(Zordon @ Mar 1 2006, 02:37 AM)
ZOMG! Jeffery Domner murdered many many many women, and ate them! He was just surviving!
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Actually, Dohmer ate men only. What a loser. If I were a cannibal, I'd eat only women.
There have been some good points raised in this thread. But how many of you have actually had a potential child aborted? I already admitted my cowardice in my first post (wanting to abort my son because he would interfere with my precious little plans), but I can't really explain how it feels to never know a child you could have had. Its kind of like emptiness or icyness, really. It's something I will carry for the rest of my life, that's for sure.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-03-01 at 09:38:20
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Actually, Dohmer ate men only. What a loser. If I were a cannibal, I'd eat only women.
Well, I was close.. But at least I got my point across.
I almost had a kid. My ex-gf got "pregnant with my child" (She cheated on me and got pregnant by someone else) and I was excited, but dreaded the fact.
That's why I don't think it should be legal, because I wold have enjoyed having a child.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LtDonny on 2006-03-01 at 17:10:14
Abortion should be made legal. Why? If you are pro-choice, you can support pro-choice by being pro-choice. If you are pro-life, you can support pro-life by being pro-life.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-03-01 at 17:15:39
-_- And where does this get you eh?
That's right: No where.
That's right: No where.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-01 at 17:27:17
Your post wasn't great either.
The fetus doesn't have sentience at least until after it is born, so how is it different from killing pig? It's much more merciful.
And don't forget about overpopulation. The parents drop out of school and try to get a job, making themselves miserable for the rest of their lives and those around them.
The fetus doesn't have sentience at least until after it is born, so how is it different from killing pig? It's much more merciful.
And don't forget about overpopulation. The parents drop out of school and try to get a job, making themselves miserable for the rest of their lives and those around them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-03-01 at 17:32:20
I was talking to some of friends earlier about abortion. Pretty much all of them were against it, saying that having an abortion is like saying "I don't want my baby son anymore because he's causing me too much trouble. I know, I think i'll get him killed so I don't have to worry about him! It's my choice right? Freedom of choice!"
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And that's all coming from the stance that they believe the fetus is already considered a human and not just a thing.
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And that's all coming from the stance that they believe the fetus is already considered a human and not just a thing.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by LtDonny on 2006-03-01 at 17:41:17
QUOTE(Zordon @ Mar 1 2006, 05:15 PM)
-_- And where does this get you eh?
That's right: No where.
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Could you please elaborate?
I believe my idea promotes freedom of choice and freedom of speech. You don't like it, don't do it, right?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-03-01 at 18:43:59
QUOTE(Zordon @ Feb 28 2006, 11:37 PM)
If you support killing your own child, you deserve to rott in your grave
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It's not "my child". Fetuses are not children; they are not sentient.
QUOTE(Doodan @ Mar 1 2006, 12:46 AM)
Actually, Dohmer ate men only. What a loser. If I were a cannibal, I'd eat only women.
Wtf? Why not get rid of the competition?
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There have been some good points raised in this thread. But how many of you have actually had a potential child aborted? I already admitted my cowardice in my first post (wanting to abort my son because he would interfere with my precious little plans), but I can't really explain how it feels to never know a child you could have had. Its kind of like emptiness or icyness, really. It's something I will carry for the rest of my life, that's for sure.
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You should still haver the right to abort the child. Nobody says you have to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheDaddy0420 on 2006-03-01 at 20:52:40
DT, the point is, it IS your child, you are ending a little life that was barely given a chance and had no way to defend itself. You are trying to define a fetus as a THING, when really its more precious then what you give it.
So by you being stupid and getting your girlfriend pregnant you are going to end your future child's chance at life? That just sounds wrong to me. There are other ways DT, having a child is NOT the end of the world for you/your gf.
So by you being stupid and getting your girlfriend pregnant you are going to end your future child's chance at life? That just sounds wrong to me. There are other ways DT, having a child is NOT the end of the world for you/your gf.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-01 at 20:54:30
QUOTE(TheDaddy0420 @ Mar 1 2006, 08:52 PM)
DT, the point is, it IS your child, you are ending a little life that was barely given a chance and had no way to defend itself. You are trying to define a fetus as a THING, when really its more precious then what you give it.
So by you being stupid and getting your girlfriend pregnant you are going to end your future child's chance at life? That just sounds wrong to me. There are other ways DT, having a child is NOT the end of the world for you/your gf.
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So by you being stupid and getting your girlfriend pregnant you are going to end your future child's chance at life? That just sounds wrong to me. There are other ways DT, having a child is NOT the end of the world for you/your gf.
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Or, you can just let them do what they want and stick with your beliefs about abortion in your own life. What's wrong with that?