Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-03-08 at 17:46:56
Yes. I just added more examples. And you worded the last part as a real question, I made it a bit easier to look at the big picture. Is 'Something that can be proven' really the definition of a fact? Seems awefully narrow-minded.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by olaboy- on 2006-03-08 at 18:01:30
A fact is already proved and is deemed true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by chrono_seifer on 2006-03-09 at 00:43:32
QUOTE(Doodan @ Mar 7 2006, 05:58 AM)
You do know you've just guaranteed that DTBK will post here, don't you?
As for my opinions, I do not believe that fact = true. I believe that a fact is something is believed to be true to the best of our current knowledge. As you know, it was a FACT that the earth was flat hundreds of years ago, because no one had the ability to prove otherwise. Once that ability was obtained, that "fact" was disproven. I do believe that a lot of facts will never be disproven, but I don't believe that fact = truth 100% of the time. I voted no.
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As for my opinions, I do not believe that fact = true. I believe that a fact is something is believed to be true to the best of our current knowledge. As you know, it was a FACT that the earth was flat hundreds of years ago, because no one had the ability to prove otherwise. Once that ability was obtained, that "fact" was disproven. I do believe that a lot of facts will never be disproven, but I don't believe that fact = truth 100% of the time. I voted no.
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-03-09 at 01:33:46
A fact is something that can be proved and disproved.
fact is not always true.
fact is not always true.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-03-09 at 17:10:24
QUOTE(Lithium @ Mar 9 2006, 01:33 AM)
A fact is something that can be proved and disproved.
fact is not always true.
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fact is not always true.
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If something is a material that can be disproved, it is probably a guess/opinion/any ramble some random guy says not a fact. I mean, it is pretty obvious.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-03-09 at 17:57:12
If I said "you have a cancer". That is a fact because it can be proved and disproved by checking a doctor and taking a scan.
everyday about hundreds of facts brought by team of or scientists are disapproved. and they are very logical facts.
stop comprehending "world" as your own little room with your own little toys that follows your own little command.
everyday about hundreds of facts brought by team of or scientists are disapproved. and they are very logical facts.
stop comprehending "world" as your own little room with your own little toys that follows your own little command.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-03-12 at 21:44:51
Fact can = yes if it is proven and it relevent to a situation of some sort. You can't just assume somthing means yes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-03-13 at 02:08:01
There are no such things as facts.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-03-13 at 02:42:46
QUOTE(Lithium @ Mar 9 2006, 03:56 PM)
If I said "you have a cancer". That is a fact because it can be proved and disproved by checking a doctor and taking a scan.
everyday about hundreds of facts brought by team of or scientists are disapproved. and they are very logical facts.
stop comprehending "world" as your own little room with your own little toys that follows your own little command.
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everyday about hundreds of facts brought by team of or scientists are disapproved. and they are very logical facts.
stop comprehending "world" as your own little room with your own little toys that follows your own little command.
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No. Saying you have cancer is not a fact. They only THINK it is cancer. When a doctor "scans" you, even if it looks like cancer, that doesn't mean it IS cancer. They go by what they saw in previous cases, and this can leads to a misdiagnosis. Even through a biopsy, they are 99.9% it is cancer, but that does not make it fact.
Basically, a fact can be proven, 100%. For instance the Earth is round, that is fact. This was proven when people flew around the world back to the place they started, or when astronauts saw Earth from space.
Most of what you learn in Science isn't fact. 95+% of it is theories, scientists are almost positive it is true, but it cannot be proven definitely.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-03-13 at 06:58:25
Wrong. Fact is something that can be proven and also disproven. Fact is not necessarily the truth. There is no perfection in the world. The fact is called "Error" when disproven. Until then, it is a fact; however, fact is not always 100% proven.
Theories are fact because they start from hypothesis which keeps succeeding which turns into theories. Theories are proven many times, therefore fact, and can be disproven too if it comes to disproval. These are facts, not opinions.
Today, we have a better way of checking cancer such as Magnetic Resonance Image that can picture anything in your body from ALL sides, such as looking from your head, every inch, every nanometers. You see, all things are facts if they can be proven.
MindArchon, science isn't really 100% truth, because there might be a better definition to it, and always there is.
Theories are fact because they start from hypothesis which keeps succeeding which turns into theories. Theories are proven many times, therefore fact, and can be disproven too if it comes to disproval. These are facts, not opinions.
Today, we have a better way of checking cancer such as Magnetic Resonance Image that can picture anything in your body from ALL sides, such as looking from your head, every inch, every nanometers. You see, all things are facts if they can be proven.
MindArchon, science isn't really 100% truth, because there might be a better definition to it, and always there is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-03-13 at 18:04:17
QUOTE(Lithium @ Mar 13 2006, 04:58 AM)
Wrong. Fact is something that can be proven and also disproven. Fact is not necessarily the truth. There is no perfection in the world. The fact is called "Error" when disproven. Until then, it is a fact; however, fact is not always 100% proven.
Theories are fact because they start from hypothesis which keeps succeeding which turns into theories. Theories are proven many times, therefore fact, and can be disproven too if it comes to disproval. These are facts, not opinions.
Today, we have a better way of checking cancer such as Magnetic Resonance Image that can picture anything in your body from ALL sides, such as looking from your head, every inch, every nanometers. You see, all things are facts if they can be proven.
MindArchon, science isn't really 100% truth, because there might be a better definition to it, and always there is.
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Theories are fact because they start from hypothesis which keeps succeeding which turns into theories. Theories are proven many times, therefore fact, and can be disproven too if it comes to disproval. These are facts, not opinions.
Today, we have a better way of checking cancer such as Magnetic Resonance Image that can picture anything in your body from ALL sides, such as looking from your head, every inch, every nanometers. You see, all things are facts if they can be proven.
MindArchon, science isn't really 100% truth, because there might be a better definition to it, and always there is.
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Both of us are correct in a sense. Fact has several definitions. I am sticking to mine, and you are sticking to yours.
Facts can be disproven, and it is an error. However, when the fact is originally established, we still use certain information provided originally. I think the difference between a theory and a fact is that the people who create the theory generally recognize that there is a plausible chance of it being disproven.
People who declare things of facts are certain it is true, and they have information to back it up. If the information is declared as false, then the fact is error.
Even with a MRI, there is still a chance it is not cancer (even if its a very very very small chance), and doctors will still admit this. Therefore saying somebody has cancer is still a theory. However, if they perform surgery (or an autopsy), this will provide more information, would may lead to fact.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2006-03-13 at 18:07:22
Fact = True...Yes...If it wasn't true, then it would be an opinion...And textbooks are full of facts...GG.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-13 at 19:26:30
well there is facts in terms of someone's opinion...like for an example, say if someone told you it is a fact that you are terrible at playing basketball, its not really a fact unless they play with you on it for a while and see for yourself...
but anyway facts can be proved false at anytime given sufficient evidence...but i do think some facts will remain facts because of some obvious reasons its always true no matter what.
but anyway facts can be proved false at anytime given sufficient evidence...but i do think some facts will remain facts because of some obvious reasons its always true no matter what.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2006-03-13 at 20:19:33
Opinions can be true, but they don't have proof when the person said that. Facts are proven. Opinions aren't proven on the spot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (SEN)Dante50 on 2006-03-14 at 22:23:22
If you check in most dictionairies, it actually says that a fact is a true state of a person, object, place or time period. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-03-15 at 06:34:44
Facts can be proven or disproven.
Opinions cannot even be proven or disproven.
The unproved facts are "Unsupported Facts"
False facts are "Errors"
Facts that were believed to be true but were false is called a "Lie"
In science books, I don't think people would want to publish things that aren't proven in a sense. Excluding a few people here, most of you aren't giving a lot of examples to overwhelm me =/
Opinions cannot even be proven or disproven.
The unproved facts are "Unsupported Facts"
False facts are "Errors"
Facts that were believed to be true but were false is called a "Lie"
In science books, I don't think people would want to publish things that aren't proven in a sense. Excluding a few people here, most of you aren't giving a lot of examples to overwhelm me =/