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tell me yer opinions and try not to look for a dictionary in this one. just gimme your thoughts and your current knowledge about Facts.s

just post your opinions about facts :/ ( for DBTK, dont ever post here. i'll give you a kiwi if you don't. )

You do know you've just guaranteed that DTBK will post here, don't you?

As for my opinions, I do not believe that fact = true. I believe that a fact is something is believed to be true to the best of our current knowledge. As you know, it was a FACT that the earth was flat hundreds of years ago, because no one had the ability to prove otherwise. Once that ability was obtained, that "fact" was disproven. I do believe that a lot of facts will never be disproven, but I don't believe that fact = truth 100% of the time. I voted no.

This poll needs a middle ground. Cause this not a yes or no answer. But if some stranger asked me if facts are usually true, then I would say yes. But if they're always true, I would say no. Very very simple.

Don't vote if you don't have a stance then.

As of now, fact = true.

I would say it depends. I lean more toward doodan's opinion on this one, s many things can be disproved =/

however there are a few things that I still think are solid, but for most things, I believe you should always questions

facts seem like opinions on steroids

I would ask is true the same as fact
Because fact is as it is but true can be versed in few cases. For example the good old Hitler

The fact is that he did bad by killing jews. The true as for current people and Hitler's enemies in WW2 is that he did bad. The true for Hitler's followers was that it was good and for sake of humanity. Man they almost proved that jews are not human, so it was true for them that he did right. But thats another story

I agree. It varies depending on current knowledge.


I don't think that's exactly correct. 'Bad because he killed jews' is an opinion. Facts are the same from every standpoint.

Not my opinion. But the world has made it fact that it was bad. Well, what ever thats just my example

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
3. A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.
4. Law. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.


Nothing really that good there, but anyway.
I think fact=true, although not every fact is true. I mean, if you say, "I'm tall, and that's a fact." you mean it's true. You don't mean it's most likely true, or anything like that. I think Doodan summed it up nicely.

Fact = Proven Idea

You can have more than one if they are sent to you.

Fact = True

I think Fact is anything that proves True

"Fact: Lysol kills 99.9% of germs"
Now, say you did this 1,000,000 times, there's probably a chance that it might kill more or less than that. It was a Fact until it didn't kill 99.9% of germs. Then they could only say Lysol HAS been proven to kill 99.9% of germs.

So if something cannot remain True, then it was just proven at one point in time.

Of course, then the question becomes "What is considered solid proof?" (similar to DT_Battlekruser's idea...)

I dont believe facts are true, there is the reason of just hypothesizes of things

in scientific terms, the 'absolute truth' exists which means its is 100%true,proven,correct,fact,..,well you get the point...but in reality, there is no absolute truth...
likewise, the 'scientific truth' is just the opposite, whereas you are 99% sure if it is right meaning its not really a fact...
back on topic, just fact means truth, but the fact has to be proven with good evidence in order to become a fact or for it to be true. if not it'll just be a theory..

you can believe that something is a fact, but it's all relative
relative to the universe, a fact has to be true everywhere at anytime

DTBK: i would've sticked with getting that kiwi kiwis are the most treasured items in the universe!!!!!

This proves that 10/16 people in SEN doesn't know the definition of "Fact".

Definition: A fact is something that can be proved.

Now a fact aint necessarily the truth, but when the fact is disproved it becomes error or false statement. When the fact is believed but is false, it is called a lie.

When things like God exists or God doesnt exist is a total opinion. These stuff shouldnt be in serious discussions you know. It should be in null.

Truth = Fact, so Fact must = Truth.

Opinion presented as fact is not true. A fact which is believed at the time (even by its creator) but later turns out to be wrong - is that still a fact even though it was not true?

Well now that I have left my response, I see it fine to go analyze this with yes.. A DICTIONARY! (Only way you can technically analyze this, otherwise I don't where you got that definition from)

Defintions from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language New College Edition:

fact n. 1. Something known with certainty. 2. Something asserted as certain. 3. Something that has been objectively verified. 4. Something having real, demonstrable existence. 5. Law a. An act considered with regard to its legality. Used especially in the phrase after the fact. b. The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined by evidence as distinguished from interpretation of law: The jury made a finding of fact. --in (point of) fact. In reality; in truth; actually.

truth n. 1. Conformity to knowledge, fact, actuality, or logic. 2. Fidelity to an original standard. 3. Reality;actuality. 4. A statement proven to be or accepted as true. 5. Sincerity; integrity; honesty. 6. Capital T. Christian Science. God.
Synonyms: truth, veracity,verity,verismilitude,candor,frankess. These nouns name qualities of being in accordance with reality. Truth is most commonly used to mean correspondence with facts or with what actually occured. Veracity implies factual accuracy and honesty, principally with respect to spoken or written expression. Verity applies principally to an enduring or repeatedy demonstrated truth. Verismilitude, the quality of having the appearance of truth or reality, is often applied to effective atristic representation. Candor and frankness both refer to forthrightness, openess.

Your choice of what you believe to be the correct definition is correct, but too narrow (Which I prove by the fact that dictionaries usually have more than one definition for a word, especially these two words )

Fact in one of it's most literal forms is truth or true (if anyone wants to argue about 'truth' versus 'true' see below). It doesn't say something we think to be true until disproven. Now, have we as people in the past thought some things to be fact and realized it wasn't? Yes, but that doesn't alter what a fact is supposed to mean. You say a fact is something that can be proved? Is truth any different? They're one in the same. Even though fact and truth might have other meanings, it does not change that one of it's meanings is Truth.

This proves that 10/16 SEN Members don't agree with your single definition of 'fact' (yours is correct, but not the only one) but they DO know one of the definitions for it.

(In case anyone is wondering why I used 'truth' rather than 'true'. I chose the truth definition because true has 13 definitions compared to the 5 that truth has but in case you were wondering what the first definition is: 1. Consistent with fact or reality; not false or erroneous. )

That's like saying a rectangle is a square because a square is a rectangle.

I think that a fact is something that is thought to be correct by more then opinion, as said before. Right now, it's a fact that an atom works by layers.. What if in the future we discover that it works by another pattern? So the fact that atoms work by layers isn't a fact at present time?

Isn't that pretty much what I said after I wrote the whole fact = truth thing? I probably didn't word it right...

Fact "is something that can be proved and disproved" so it is a fact if it can be proved or disproved.