Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-04-05 at 05:13:46
Anyone can flame without actually flaming. I know that for a fact. It depends on the person that’s reading the “flame” I think, I mean think about it. If I said “Dude shut up…” Would that be a flame? Pfft no, But if I said “DUDE SHUT THE HELL UP YOU NUB” Yes, that would be a flame. Logically. But if someone is having a bad day and reads the “dude shut up” and thinks “OMFG HE FLAMED ME WTF?” What happens? You get reported and in most cases warned.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-05 at 19:19:14
QUOTE(--- @ Apr 4 2006, 06:30 PM)
I don't assume, I know.
I never said you were getting at the mods, I'm saying you will use this to trap them someday. Sure at this moment it would just be a discussion and you say you are "curious of what peoples interpretations are", but then when the time comes you will use this to your advantage.
And my reason for saying that is mainly to support my view that:
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I never said you were getting at the mods, I'm saying you will use this to trap them someday. Sure at this moment it would just be a discussion and you say you are "curious of what peoples interpretations are", but then when the time comes you will use this to your advantage.
And my reason for saying that is mainly to support my view that:
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Yup. Go ahead and continue to keep that dillusion Devilesk. Since you're Mr. Flame happy on SC.
And I agree with Zombie. "Shut up" is different than "Shut up you noob" (I should know
) but you get the same punishment from the "Shut up" than the "Shut up you noob"Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mr.Camo on 2006-04-05 at 19:53:24
I love to flame subtly, it's all in the word choice IMO.
Like if I said..
Or I could say
Really, people might laugh at the second one, but hell I'd find it insulting if someone called me a disgrace to humanity.
Like if I said..
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WTF YOU GAY ASS NOOB GTFO OF THIS THREAD F*G
Or I could say
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Please, remove yourself from this thread to stop from further disgracing humanity.
Really, people might laugh at the second one, but hell I'd find it insulting if someone called me a disgrace to humanity.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2006-04-05 at 20:17:19
Sigh...
Flame-
SUHT UP N00B LOZR GYA FAGET WH0 LIKZ HIZ M0M!!111
Insult-
Hey ass, stop posting retarded topics.
Other.. Way... -
Please stop posting topics with no point to them.
Flame-
SUHT UP N00B LOZR GYA FAGET WH0 LIKZ HIZ M0M!!111
Insult-
Hey ass, stop posting retarded topics.
Other.. Way... -
Please stop posting topics with no point to them.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Falcon_A on 2006-04-05 at 21:44:38
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One thing that alerts me on flaming material, is the use of swear words. Studies have been done to prove that swear words actually strike a different part of the brain then normal words do, which is why many diseases (such as tourettes syndrome) exist. They are made to produce emotion, which is in all too many cases I have witnessed negatively directed at another. Although the use of swear words is not a flame, many times it seems associated with it.
One thing I see with flames is the inability to have a steady head in a discussion. Since this is a forum, and we cannot see exactly how you are saying your post, many times we assume that you are in fact serious, and not posting in a joking manner. (Granted there are levels of seriousness) If you lash out at another member, calling them names and degrading them, you should not post here, and should be placed in a box and sent to a place where you will live with giant crabs as your only companions.
Another form of flame which I more frequently encounter is the passive flame, which simply for one part of the text undergoes something like "Your an ass" or something of the like, simply a short degrading term that has no significant purpose in a post. THese are worse then the larger flames in my opinion because they simply are not noticed enough, and are skimmed over as the person continues on with a discussion. The fact is, is that the flame is there and meant to hurt another person, and should not be tolerated.
The third form of flaming, which I disagree with donwano about, is the use of "Shut up." The silencing of another members contribution is just the same as saying, " your not worthy of posting here" This does not seem fair to the member it is directed to, as it is basically saying that their ideas don't matter. I think that many of the people who tell others to be quiet are the ones who have the worst points in a discussion. If you were truly trying to discuss something, you would be open to all opinions, even those which you do not agree with. If you think someone really needs to shut up, then simply report them, and argue your case with a moderator, as they, (or at least I) try to be open and look at both sides of an issue, and with an unbiased opinion, decide on the right choice of action.
The biggest thing to remember with a flame is that it is not the decision of the flamer to decide what constitutes a flame, but the one it is being directed at. Think about their reaction before posting.
One thing I see with flames is the inability to have a steady head in a discussion. Since this is a forum, and we cannot see exactly how you are saying your post, many times we assume that you are in fact serious, and not posting in a joking manner. (Granted there are levels of seriousness) If you lash out at another member, calling them names and degrading them, you should not post here, and should be placed in a box and sent to a place where you will live with giant crabs as your only companions.
Another form of flame which I more frequently encounter is the passive flame, which simply for one part of the text undergoes something like "Your an ass" or something of the like, simply a short degrading term that has no significant purpose in a post. THese are worse then the larger flames in my opinion because they simply are not noticed enough, and are skimmed over as the person continues on with a discussion. The fact is, is that the flame is there and meant to hurt another person, and should not be tolerated.
The third form of flaming, which I disagree with donwano about, is the use of "Shut up." The silencing of another members contribution is just the same as saying, " your not worthy of posting here" This does not seem fair to the member it is directed to, as it is basically saying that their ideas don't matter. I think that many of the people who tell others to be quiet are the ones who have the worst points in a discussion. If you were truly trying to discuss something, you would be open to all opinions, even those which you do not agree with. If you think someone really needs to shut up, then simply report them, and argue your case with a moderator, as they, (or at least I) try to be open and look at both sides of an issue, and with an unbiased opinion, decide on the right choice of action.
The biggest thing to remember with a flame is that it is not the decision of the flamer to decide what constitutes a flame, but the one it is being directed at. Think about their reaction before posting.
Everything you said is true.
And I see examples everywhere, especially on bnet. People jut randomly add insults to the end of it.
"Why are you going marines vs guardians?"
"BECUZ I CAN NOOB"
"I'm pretty sure you'll get your ass kicked"
"NO I WONT FAG"
Etc, etc.
Long flames where people actually keep a steady head but just point out -EVERY- little detail of someone else's post just to make themselves look like the person who's right are the ones i hate the most.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MapUnprotector on 2006-04-07 at 16:17:15
QUOTE(Kellimus @ Apr 5 2006, 07:18 PM)
Yup. Go ahead and continue to keep that dillusion Devilesk. Since you're Mr. Flame happy on SC.
And I agree with Zombie. "Shut up" is different than "Shut up you noob" (I should know) but you get the same punishment from the "Shut up" than the "Shut up you noob"
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And I agree with Zombie. "Shut up" is different than "Shut up you noob" (I should know
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My dillusion will keep SEN safe one day. Or at least when everyone gets screwed I can be, "Ha, I told you so".
I think of b.net differently than SEN. B.net doesn't really matter. I think just the nature of a live chat makes it more casual than a post.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-04-07 at 23:23:42
If it offends or hurts someone, then it's a flame.
Let me pull out an example of Kelli's from a few months back.
That is a flame.
Actually, most of Kellimus's posts WERE flames. You always had that aggressive attitude. If someone made a statement that wasn't true, you would flip out and flame the person when you simply could have corrected him politely.
That's why you were banned.
And I know you only created this topic just to complain about CheeZuS.
Let me pull out an example of Kelli's from a few months back.
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You're sick of repeating yourself? Okay, noob, leave. Every thread you reply on, you are an arrogent good for nothing "know it all". So just leave. No one wants your patheticness here anymore.
That is a flame.
Actually, most of Kellimus's posts WERE flames. You always had that aggressive attitude. If someone made a statement that wasn't true, you would flip out and flame the person when you simply could have corrected him politely.
That's why you were banned.
And I know you only created this topic just to complain about CheeZuS.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-08 at 03:07:01
Wow Merrell. Do you know everything just like Devilesk? Up to the same old Trolling again eh? I make a topic to get opinions from people, and get blamed for lame ass shiz. It's kind of redundant. Over and over and over and over. Why don't you go troll somewhere else for a change? Why don't you go and "know" something else about someone else for a change? It's kind of pointless for you to troll. It just shows your immaturity man. You claim to be the most mature here, but your levels of maturity exceed the negatives.
Anyways. With that said, I shall return on topic, and allow his Ad Hominem Abusive to lay dead in it's grave.
That quote is a flame, yes. I admit that. At least I know WHEN to admit my faults, when most other members, can't. I flamed the individual, because they pretty much deserved it, like some other people have said they would flame when needed.
But my main question is that if "Shut the fark up" really is a flame or not. In my eyes, it is not because it's just telling them in a rather subtle way, that they are being annoying/stupid/retarded, and that they just need to quit the discussion before they make an even bigger fool of themselves.
Anyways. With that said, I shall return on topic, and allow his Ad Hominem Abusive to lay dead in it's grave.
That quote is a flame, yes. I admit that. At least I know WHEN to admit my faults, when most other members, can't. I flamed the individual, because they pretty much deserved it, like some other people have said they would flame when needed.
But my main question is that if "Shut the fark up" really is a flame or not. In my eyes, it is not because it's just telling them in a rather subtle way, that they are being annoying/stupid/retarded, and that they just need to quit the discussion before they make an even bigger fool of themselves.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Merrell on 2006-04-08 at 11:32:00
Yes, "Shut the **** up" is a flame. It's basically on the same level as "f*** you" is to "screw you" and "Shut the **** up" is to "shut up."
Oh, I NEVER recall claiming myself mature. I see some of my posts immature. I never claimed to be mature. But that doesn't mean I'm not.
Oh, I NEVER recall claiming myself mature. I see some of my posts immature. I never claimed to be mature. But that doesn't mean I'm not.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BeeR_KeG on 2006-04-08 at 12:53:02
Ok, enough pointing fingers at people. We're here to discuss "What is a flame" and most possibly what composes it's purpose and why it was written.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-04-08 at 14:14:53
I call open attacks flames, "go back to school" isn't a flame though, it's constructive critism. Mostly though, I'd agree with Kelly.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loafa on 2006-04-08 at 16:44:58
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-04-08 at 18:12:58
flame is open insultation without tactfulness. ( which is kellimus just about every time, moose ruined SEN for us 
YAY! ).
"Ignoring other people and insulting other people."
YAY! )."Ignoring other people and insulting other people."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Freedawk on 2006-04-09 at 07:49:34
Flame is also a way of saying to people that you want to take over the world. For some reason taht does apply...
Even the police know what flaming is.
Even the police know what flaming is.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-09 at 08:11:21
yeah, flame is insult. when you could say it in a more polite way but you chose not to.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-09 at 19:01:29
QUOTE(Lithium @ Apr 8 2006, 03:12 PM)
flame is open insultation without tactfulness. ( which is kellimus just about every time, moose ruined SEN for us YAY! ).
"Ignoring other people and insulting other people."
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YAY! )."Ignoring other people and insulting other people."
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Wow Lithium.. Do you even listen to anything any of the moderators say? That's going against what they say.. Isn't that against the rules eh?
So really. How can someone take "Shut the fark up" as a flame when STFU is exactly the same? How can, "Please be quiet" not be a flame when you're basically saying "Shut the fark up", but just in a nicer way? Are we allowed to dumb down and get away with it or something?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-10 at 18:51:37
"nicer way"
That's probably why, it's not as hostile..
All of this stuff is situational, so it depends, too.
I wouldn't be near as angry as somebody told me to "Please be quiet." rather than "STFU."
That's probably why, it's not as hostile..
All of this stuff is situational, so it depends, too.
I wouldn't be near as angry as somebody told me to "Please be quiet." rather than "STFU."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-10 at 20:48:43
Ah, but people do get in trouble for saying, "Please be quiet" so where do you distinguish the line??
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-04-20 at 00:48:41
My definition of flame is a type of fire. XD , And also an insulting phrase to another person mostly used in fourms or online