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Is telling someone to STFU flame to you? How about aplauding that they are showing the forum how big of idiots they really are?

I thought a flame was: OMG YOU'RE SO STUPID, YOU DON'T NO JACK shiz YOU STUPID farkING NOOB biznatch! OMG!

Not: Please STFU and quit bothering us with your useless replies (When all they do is SPAM)

So yes. Let us discuss what you believe flame to be, and what not

Yes, telling somebody to STFU is a flame, to me.

That's a flame too.

Please STFU and quit bothering us with your useless replies = flame.

It can be put into nicer terms.

Pretty much any clear hostillity, I guess.

If any clear hostility is considered flame, then wouldn't anyone, including the sites Administrators, be considered flamers?

I was going to write a full fledged post about this, most possibly one that I would've copied into the FAQ forum, but to my amazement, I found a very excellent flame article which would've said many of the things that i was about to write.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming

YAY for Wikipedia!

Yes anyone, including Site Administrators can be flamers. Many people think that because the administrators are virtually gods. In a way, they can do whatever they want, but in the end, loosing posting etiquette will cause the rest of the people to loose that posting quality by example.

That's when, I believe, the Staff and people like me come in. We can just persuade the admin to change his posting style a bit, not by flaming back at him or threatening him, but by writting an argumented post concerned to his attention and most possibly, provide some solution.
You can't fear the administrators, because then all you'd be is a spec in a box. You have to respect him, but not be afraid to contradict or write against his thoughts in a civilized manner.

Then perhaps unneeded, clear hostillity.

I'm not really sure about it. I just know a flame when I see one. And is it me, or are you trying to send a message to the admins/mods or something?

Flaming is the act of posting messages that are deliberately hostile and insulting, usually in the social context of a discussion board (usually on the Internet)

That's a wikipedia definition.

Aww, shucks, Beer got there before me

Hmm.. Very well said.

But when you do do it in a propper manner, why do you get in trouble for it?

Take Cheeze for example. I've seen people post against him, and he flames them, says things like, "I know you are doing this because you are this," "I know how you act because of this" (When in all reality, he doesn't know jack) and they get threatened with warns.

Is that proper on the Moderators end? I believe not.

And is reporting a warnable offence? Does it deserve flame? I know someone who reports regularly (probibly shouldn't) and was PMed by Cheeze (Yet again) and was being threatened and possibly even flamed by him.

Is reporting considered flame?

I haven't really seen any examples of it, so I don't know about that.

And..

Can't really tell without the PM.

But I'd have to agree with you, CheeZe is one of the more "vicious" mods =\

.... That is not my point.

My point being: If we are not supposed to be frightened of the Authority here, why do we get threatened when we do what Beer has told us to do? And it's okay for some moderators to flame people with the threats, too?

Edit. Don't you just hate when people edit?

Take this post that I wrote as an example, DO NOT DISCUSS IT'S CONTENTS, ONLY IT'S SYNTAX



Basically, this could be very easily written as a flame, but it isn't. What I did was use carefull choosing of words and distracting the reader from the small "hidden insults" that I made and made him think more towards himself than what I'm directly saying.

It's just a matter of word choosing. CheeZe might've done the same thing that I did here, and that's why he could've gotten away with it. But if I did the following, it would've been a flame.

My version


Flaming version



See the differences? It's pretty much the same message, but carefull word choosing, in the end, descides wether or not it's a flame.

Sorry for the edit.

And a mod isn't going to yell at you for reporting flame, or spam. A mod will yell at you if you report stuff like somebody saying they didn't enjoy your map, or somebody saying your signature isn't good.

And hey, I've reported a mod or two, I think.
Mods aren't perfect, we all know that.

[right]Flaming is when you go out and verbally attack someone. Like...

"Deathawk, you, my friend, are gay!" That's a flame.
"Deathawk, shut up." That's not a flame.

If you called your friend gay, as a verbal attack, not joking around, they would get mad at you. If you told them to shut up, I'm sure they wouldn't get pissed at you.[/right]

Of course, we're speaking hypothetically

I could take "Deathawk, shut up" as a flame. Especially if it's uncalled for.

[right]Shut up.

Well, maybe you're right. Or maybe it's the fact that I wouldn't take it serious if someone told me to shut up. Since I don't take anything serious. Maybe I'm wrong.[/right]

It looks like my decision was correct then. I feel vindicated.

Any proper and binding authority must be able to circumvent the rules to create and enforce them.

Flame is many things. Many things are flame. However, when flaming is appropriate and deserved is based on the situation.

Like a little thing as telling someone to STFU is a flame, but when the person deserves it then I felt it should be said.

If I felt someone needed a "STFU" across the face slap I would do it regardless of whether I got warned or not, because I felt it was necessary. And since the rules are up for interpretation by the moderators I think they would decide if it's warn worthy or not as well.

What really sums it up is whether the intent is to insult someone or not. And if it is intended to insult someone, was it with good reason.

And I think it's obvious Kellimus is just using this so if he gets into some argument with the staff here he can use this as a stupid precedent.

I say the moderators keep it up what a flame is up to them to decide and not say anything set in stone.



Yep, so basically only intelligent people are allowed to flame and get away with it

In a way that I wouldn't want to admit to, yes, intelligent, well argumented and civilized posts(not people) are allowed to get away with a flame.

I think flame is bascially a few things like this:

-Criticism that doesn't really help , ie. "this map sucks, get off the site"
-Off topic posts that end up turning into 2 people trying to be right about some pointless issue
-Pointless comments against map maker or style of map and not the map itself judged in its own genre

My awesomeness has been established.

As for my definition of flame; if you're directly attacking another person, then it's flame. However, just because it is "flame" doesn't mean it's a warnable flame. There is minor flame and major flame.

If I feel like there was a reason for you saying that, you won't get a warn. If there was no reason to say that, then you will be warned. Simple as that.

You do know what assuming does, don't you? Makes an ass out of you and me

And thanks for teh "flame"

I was just curious of what peoples interperatations are Devilesk. Not everything I do is to try to get at the mods or admin. God.

Pretty much yelling at people but with in no way actually contradicting them. Like saying someone is gay cause they think something instead of say "I respect your opinion, but I think..." ect.

Also, in case of flame, stop, drop, and ROFL.

I don't assume, I know.

I never said you were getting at the mods, I'm saying you will use this to trap them someday. Sure at this moment it would just be a discussion and you say you are "curious of what peoples interpretations are", but then when the time comes you will use this to your advantage.

And my reason for saying that is mainly to support my view that:

LOL!

did you make that up yourself? it rox. ima use it from now on ;P

One thing that alerts me on flaming material, is the use of swear words. Studies have been done to prove that swear words actually strike a different part of the brain then normal words do, which is why many diseases (such as tourettes syndrome) exist. They are made to produce emotion, which is in all too many cases I have witnessed negatively directed at another. Although the use of swear words is not a flame, many times it seems associated with it.

One thing I see with flames is the inability to have a steady head in a discussion. Since this is a forum, and we cannot see exactly how you are saying your post, many times we assume that you are in fact serious, and not posting in a joking manner. (Granted there are levels of seriousness) If you lash out at another member, calling them names and degrading them, you should not post here, and should be placed in a box and sent to a place where you will live with giant crabs as your only companions.

Another form of flame which I more frequently encounter is the passive flame, which simply for one part of the text undergoes something like "Your an ass" or something of the like, simply a short degrading term that has no significant purpose in a post. THese are worse then the larger flames in my opinion because they simply are not noticed enough, and are skimmed over as the person continues on with a discussion. The fact is, is that the flame is there and meant to hurt another person, and should not be tolerated.

The third form of flaming, which I disagree with donwano about, is the use of "Shut up." The silencing of another members contribution is just the same as saying, " your not worthy of posting here" This does not seem fair to the member it is directed to, as it is basically saying that their ideas don't matter. I think that many of the people who tell others to be quiet are the ones who have the worst points in a discussion. If you were truly trying to discuss something, you would be open to all opinions, even those which you do not agree with. If you think someone really needs to shut up, then simply report them, and argue your case with a moderator, as they, (or at least I) try to be open and look at both sides of an issue, and with an unbiased opinion, decide on the right choice of action.

The biggest thing to remember with a flame is that it is not the decision of the flamer to decide what constitutes a flame, but the one it is being directed at. Think about their reaction before posting.