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As Shapechanger said, the lack of proof serves a a disproof, because of the burden of proof. There is no prof of God. Whether God can be proven is irrelevent: such proof does not exist. Approaching it from a logical perspective, this lack of proof is proof that god does not exist, since all things are false until proven true, according to the burden of proof.

Faith is a different matter, amd is based on emotions, ergo, people believe in the face of logic. Logic is just my reason for being an atheist.

Dr.Shotgun, having no proof of something existing is not a proof of this thing's not-existance.

Actually, it is. I'm searching for the words to explain it correctly, but I fear any example I use wouldn't adequately explain it...

And as for somebody said back on page one, that there is no proof of evolution.
Recently, pollution in a European forest cause a type of white moss to stop growing as prevalently on trees. There was a population of white moths that lived in this forest that used this moss as cameoflauge.

The trees' bark was blackish, and there was born among this moth population a black moth. He was never eaten due to the fact he could hide on all trees and not just select ones with moss on them, and he reproduced.

The white variety of these moths has been decreasing in numbers year after year, while the black variety steadily rise in numbers. This was a true story, although since it is early and I have school in about ten minutes, I lack the time to look it up.

Ok first Dr.Shotgun and all of you logical atheists how do you know your logic is the most correct thing in the universe? I cant prove that atoms exist but it seems they do. This topic is realy useless seeing as almost noone in the world would change their opinion about something after reading some posts in forums or being in an arguement.

there was no proof of many things happening in nature some time ago, when science was not so advanced. the fact that i cannot proove that you are a living person (& not an AI processor that's posting & thinking by itself) doesen't make you a PC in my eyes.

1 word proves god does not exist.... science! for those who do believe in him, well... don't study science because it will tell you how he did what he did, which he didn't, because of science. My theory/opinion of course! Not intended to offend.

How do you know that todays modern world science is correct? You dont. There have been found many flaws in science before and flaws are still being found in science and many other things. Science does not prove that God does not exists nothing can prove the existence of God the only thing that can prove the existence of God is belief.

Even if we don't know or understand the science behind it, there is still a science that exists that which we cannot see, but it's there, otherwise, it couldn't possibly exist. We look out at the universe, we see galaxies and stars, many gases, sources of heat, nebulae, and such. How did those things come about...miracle or science? But even so, god exists to an individual as long as belief is present, but...in reality.. no. *my opinion* not intended to offend.

agreed. you believe or disbelieve, thats your choice.
i dont believe in Evolution well...because i believe in God i dont care if theres any proof!
if you've ever read the last 30 Pages of revelation in the bible...well, the things after armegeddon sound good to me and what do i have to do? believe? thats easy enough

Okay, now tell that to your pal Santorum.

it's allways easy to belive in something than to make something new up. a solution to a lot of problems is belief. that's why we need God - to guide us & belive in him. like you belive the guide when he says "go there, it is the correct path", cuz he knows better than you.

Logic is superior because it works. 2+2=4. That is logic. also, most modern government systems are based on logic. In fact, without logic, we would be nowhere. The reason logic is powerful is that it reveals truth. The scientific process, intertwined with logic, is designed to root out false positives and false negatvies.

Logic is like: The stove is extremely hot. You're skin can only stand a little heat. Taking too much heat will make it burn. Putting you're hand on the stove will make you're hand burn.

Logic is evident in nature.

(If this debate is "realy useless", then stay out of it.)



Ever heard of proof? The fact that science has "flaws" is its strength. What happens to flawed theories? They are rejected, denied, replaced. That, in itself, is the strength of science, it is self-correcting. Just because some theroies were wrong does not show that science itself is flawed. And you are right, nothing can prove God. That's why I'm an atheist.

Well Dr.Shotgun there are still some things logic and science cant explain

But what anyone belives is hes/her own issue. Noone will change their belief after reading something on a forum or in a paper or hearing something from the TV or the radio. And if they do obviously their belief wasnt strong.

Firstly, I don't think science and logi can't explain anything. Why? because, in olden times, people could not explain lightning, and attributed it to God. As the domain of science grows, the only thing religion can still explain are philosophical issues. The creation of the universe, of the world, the end of time, etc., these all can and have been explained by science, although some are not fully answered yet.

Human Conscience?

Were does it come from and why do we need it?

Just because somebody is an expert in science doesn't automatically mean he doesn't believe in God. I believe in God, I love science too. Are you implying that this is impossible?

Well, doesn't that depend on which type of science you choose to believe too? Like the whole universe creation, if you choose to believe that are you really going to believe in god? Or maybe you like the science of... Study ants.[/NOTRIGHT]

Why would creationism be the only reason you would ever believe in God. It's pretty sad if that is the only thing about God you would care about (other than whether he just plain exists or not.) There's much more to him than just the creation story described in Genesis.

How God created the whole world isn't what religion is about. I have no farking idea why anybody would think that. The lessons, the morals, the teachings/stories from God is what defines religions like Christianity.

I've said this before but i'll say it again. Creationism described in Genesis is vague and ambiguous to find out what it truly describes. There's several different ways to interpret it. We might never find the true meaning/description of it. But ok, so what? I believe in Creationism, does that make me any different when it comes to my religiousness? No it doesn't.

And btw, I like everything about science, except for chemistry.

then i guess u hate the law that says matter can neither be destroyed nor created

No

So... That means back in who the hell knows when, when people first created religion, they didn't question how they got here?

QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Apr 29 2006, 12:33 AM)

Why would creationism be the only reason you would ever believe in God. It's pretty sad if that is the only thing about God you would care about (other than whether he just plain exists or not.) There's much more to him than just the creation story described in Genesis.

That's right... If someone believes in god for a different reason than you it's sad, isn't it? Typical..[/NOTRIGHT]

you should know, that a lot of scientists belive in God. think about it like this: if Pi was not what it is, maybe we just couldn't exist. doesen't ALLMIGHTY SCIENCE have an awnser for that ? why is Pi=3.14...... ? maybe if it was made 1x10^-9999 wrong we couldn't exist.

Pi only equals 3.14..... because we use base-ten. Using several other bases, you can get pi to equal a whole number.

No, I'm just saying that Creationism isn't what religion is about. I didn't say people didn't know how they got here. Sure the people back in the "who the hell knows when" period knew how the world was created. Their interpretation of it might've be wrong, but again, they don't spend their wholes lives debating whether there's a different meaning or not. That's not what people focus their lives around. Just like with any religion, they focus on the lessons, the morals, teachings, and teachings that are taught with their religion.

i'm saying that there are to many coincidence to our existance.