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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Slyence on 2006-04-22 at 10:47:07
After thinking about it, I have come to the conclusion that you can't have proof for God. You could rationalize the 'proof' away no matter what it is. For example:
  • God speaks to you. - No problem there, you were hallucinating
  • God appears to you - Again, no problem. A better hallucination, that's all.
  • We find another planet exactly like Earth, with humans. - Pssh. Evolution did it, however unlikely.

No matter what, you will never have proof for God that anyone else can correlate. Yet I still believe in God, and worship him reverently. If it would do any good to explain why, I would, but it wouldn't.

Can you think of anything that would constitute proof for God?

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"You believe because you have seen. How blessed are they who have not seen, and yet believe."
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-22 at 10:51:14
i think there SHOULD NOT BE any proof of God, cuz that's what belief is all about.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Doodan on 2006-04-22 at 11:12:48
Some people say you have to be in a state of mind that allows for hallucinations before you can see "God" or the "afterlife" or what-have-you. But answer me this: What if its not hallucinations? What if a detached state of mind is NECESSARY for contact with otherworldly spirits?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-04-22 at 11:39:01
I can't think of any way to prove God to others, but death would certainly be the ultimate individual proof.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-04-22 at 12:40:20
Can't prove God exsists.
Can't prove God doesn't exsist.
Its all a matter of what you believe.
Doesn't matter what you believe in the end though smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Deathawk on 2006-04-22 at 12:44:23
But, you can prove he doesn't exist mellow.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by l)ark_13 on 2006-04-22 at 12:48:14
How was the universe created?
I personally dont even believe in God, yet I cant even begin to comprehend how existance...
exists. blink.gif
You can't prove he doesn't exist.
You can't prove he does.
Its simple.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-04-22 at 13:57:26
By that logic, nothing can be proven, Sly. Proof is never 100%. What if an alien created a hologram and a force field of a certain person and used that to kill someone, and then that person was 'proven' to have really done it?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by warhammer40000 on 2006-04-22 at 14:39:34
I realized that there was no proof of God a long time ago. I realized there was no god about a year ago.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-22 at 14:44:55
you can proove something having facts that cannot be prooven wrong or twisted. there are no undoubtable facts prooving God, but there are allso no facts that denie his existance.

you must not PROOVE God, becawse if you want to proove God, it means that you do not belive in him (you usually need proof to things in what you doubt/not belive in), if you do not belive in him he does not exist for you, becawse it's all about belief.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DrunkenWrestler on 2006-04-22 at 15:18:36
SEN SD lives up to its low standards once again, eh Cheeze?

Can't believe I still remember my password.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-04-22 at 16:22:38
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Apr 22 2006, 11:47 AM)
How was the universe created?
I personally dont even believe in God, yet I cant even begin to comprehend how existance...
exists.  blink.gif
You can't prove he doesn't exist.
You can't prove he does.
Its simple.
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Just because we haven't figured things out yet doesn't mean it automatically means he does exsist. I don't think we found out that mixing CFCs with the ozone would fark us over on the first day we used them. But we figured it out, and no one ever said it was the devil's work, or god being mad at us.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Darktica on 2006-04-22 at 17:56:59
I think that God made it so there wasn't any proof of his existence, thus making religion entirely based on faith, which is exactly what he wants. The Bible says that only those truely faithful will be accepted into God's kingdom (that means that you don't NEED proof to know he exists). I think it's all just part of the whole "judgement" thing.

- Darktica
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kupo on 2006-04-22 at 18:25:31
Of course God exists, what do you think we were made out of apes, that's just plain stupid. It says somewhere in Genesis that man was made, then God took a rib from man and created Woman. And from there on they got jiggy.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tdnfthe1 on 2006-04-22 at 18:40:29
QUOTE(l)ark_13 @ Apr 22 2006, 10:47 AM)
How was the universe created?
I personally dont even believe in God, yet I cant even begin to comprehend how existance...
exists.  blink.gif
You can't prove he doesn't exist.
You can't prove he does.
Its simple.
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Can we just leave it at that? Because no matter whether you believe in "truth that lies in the eyes of the beholder" or "ultimate truth" that right there is our ultimate truth. You can't prove he doesn't exist. Why? Cuz you can't prove that anything doesnt exist. You can't prove that imaginary friends arn't real. You can't prove that the color hudonkadonk doesn't exist. You can't prove that E=mc4. You can prove that cheese is yellow, cuz we have yellow cheese. But u can't prove what doesnt exist, because uve never witnessed or experienced it tongue.gif .

And you can't prove it does exist without proof of it, such as the fact that I can say i've seen yellow cheese because I have, AND YOU AGREE THAT I HAVE. What if i say i've seen pink cheese come out of a cow, but i was the only 1 who sees it. It's all about "truth in the eyes of the beholder". But luckily we have someone who stated what I call an "ultimate truth", that we can't prove. We can either believe and disbelieve.

Now for the whole point of me posting that bularky up there, this thread wasn't about does he exist, is it foolish to think he doesnt exist or does. This thread is about a guy who wanted to know if u could prove it. Not your beliefs. If you wanna have a thread about who believes in god, and the athiests are are allpowerful(resembling white corporate, white dominated, white slave-owner America) and the believers are all too stupid to see what they see(cuz they believe in the color hudonkadonk) then go make a different thread. I don't feel like seeing the 2 idiotic sides go at it, save battle of the egos for another day(and yes i know im not a mod, but who cares happy.gif ).

~Tdnfthe1
Speakin the truth cool1.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DarK on 2006-04-26 at 04:28:27
Speaking the truth.... Hmmm simply there is nothing to be said we cant prove that God exists or that God doesnt exist.. Thats why its called faith+belief..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Shapechanger on 2006-04-26 at 19:21:07
The fact that there is not proof of God is, in itself, proof that there is no God.

Basically, right now, if you believe in God, you are worshipping a book.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Rantent on 2006-04-26 at 23:13:49
Multiple books actually. bleh.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ninebreaker on 2006-04-26 at 23:32:14
Ill say this again,

Yes, you cant prove God exists, but you also cant prove evolution happened.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-04-26 at 23:36:16
Why do people argue about this stuff? Nobody knows for a fact. They can only form an opinion. Just because you can't prove something does not mean it doesn't exist. Argueing over if there is a God or not is like argueing about what's indside a black box; nobody knows what's in it, but you can only make observations. For this reason, I choose to be agnostic.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by uberfoop on 2006-04-27 at 02:40:25
the whole point of christianity is that there is no proof and that you must have faith....this discussion is dumb.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-04-27 at 09:57:04
QUOTE(uberfoop @ Apr 27 2006, 09:40 AM)
the whole point of christianity is that there is no proof and that you must have faith....
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...& all the other religions as well
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Minority on 2006-04-27 at 13:14:44
QUOTE(-__________- @ Apr 23 2006, 03:14 AM)
But, you can prove he doesn't exist mellow.gif
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No, you can't. If you actually have any proof that He doesn't exist, you can't prove that your "proof" isn't wrong.

QUOTE(Centreri @ Apr 23 2006, 04:27 AM)
By that logic, nothing can be proven, Sly. Proof is never 100%. What if an alien created a hologram and a force field of a certain person and used that to kill someone, and then that person was 'proven' to have really done it?
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Exactly. Nothing can be fully proven or disproven.

QUOTE(Jammed @ Apr 23 2006, 05:14 AM)
you can proove something having facts that cannot be prooven wrong or twisted.
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But you can't have facts that can't be proven wrong or twisted. Someone might discover something that will prove the original proof wrong, and then someone else might discover something that will prove that proof wrong, etc.

QUOTE(Tdnfthe1 @ Apr 23 2006, 09:10 AM)
You can prove that cheese is yellow, cuz we have yellow cheese. But u can't prove what doesnt exist, because uve never witnessed or experienced it tongue.gif .

~Tdnfthe1
Speakin the truth cool1.gif
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But what if cheese is actually red, and that it's surrounded by some completely undetectable force that makes it look yellow?
QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Apr 27 2006, 09:50 AM)
The fact that there is not proof of God is, in itself, proof that there is no God.

Basically, right now, if you believe in God, you are worshipping a book.
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No it's not! You can't even prove that there is no proof in God. There could be some ancient documents inside a forgotten temple somewhere, which prove that God exists, and we simply haven't found them yet?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DarK on 2006-04-27 at 17:25:23
Hmm ok my post was trying to be neutral but now il take the side of my religion and a few other things..

Well God in my belief is neither He or She nor both -.- ( if you came to that lame thought in your little head )

Documents cant prove that a God exists personally I belive in one God..

Shapechanger just cuz your atheistic ( I think you are ) doesnt mean that God doesnt exist because you think it is so..

P.S If your a atheist you belive that no God exists


I hardly belive that any person in the world would change hes/her beliefs after reading a post in a forum.. On a website mellow.gif
It realy seems to me that the only people who belive in any religion these days are grown up in families where the parents are already religious. And only a few people start beliveing in a religion if their family wasnt religious and modern sociedy seems to be very anti-religous.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kellodood on 2006-04-27 at 21:33:34
QUOTE(-__________- @ Apr 22 2006, 09:44 AM)
But, you can prove he doesn't exist mellow.gif
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Then prove it.

QUOTE(DrunkenWrestler @ Apr 22 2006, 12:18 PM)
SEN SD lives up to its low standards once again, eh Cheeze?

Can't believe I still remember my password.
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And I'm called a Conspiracy Theorist wink.gif

QUOTE(Shapechanger @ Apr 26 2006, 04:20 PM)
The fact that there is not proof of God is, in itself, proof that there is no God.

Basically, right now, if you believe in God, you are worshipping a book.
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QUOTE(Rantent @ Apr 26 2006, 08:13 PM)
Multiple books actually. bleh.gif
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I believe in God, but dispise The Holy Bible. It's a book of morals, not the word of God.

It's impossible to disprove, or prove God exists or doesn't exist. So all of you just shut up already.
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