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I believe it was made by Heimdal and somehow Archn tricked Heimdal into giving him a copy and then released it as his own.

Whatever it is, its sucky programming.

how retarted the noobs strike again!!! They could make a movie about em! ^_^

Exactly, when you're done making a map make a dtabase of what the trigegrs are and keep that for yourself, and comment all the trigegrs like unknown~unkown!1, unknown~unkown!2, unknown~unkown@1. Etc. Something liek the MPQ uses.

u know, theres only 1 good thing about a map unprotecter, if u made a booboo in ur map, and u need to fix it, but u protected the map, thats when the unprotecter becomes usefull. this is the ONLY reason it's good.

lol ! i totally forgot about that program.

You're right, but it's when people steal maps and rig them.

... Looks like the noods strike back...
Is there any way to over ride this program?

Make it so it crashes when you save in StarEdit, then you could prevent Map Stealing xD

what truely gets me is how people want to work so hard on making these programs, yet there are many sucky maps they unprotect and call theirs. Why dont they make something revolutionary instead of programming that takes hours and hours?

To all ppl, who think Open source Maps are good:

IMO, open source maps are only good IF 100% of the SC community would be Fair, and only open maps for learining purposes. But until there's atleast 1% of people who Steal maps, protection is required.

I think, if no one can override OSMAP, we should search for a compromise with OSMAP creators, so they atleast make the unprotected map openable, but unsaveable, so ppl can't steal it..

Well one big problem about this whole mess is how easily Starcraft can be manipulated.

Be honest, how much of Starcraft have we altered? (not including third-party mods like Doom Dragoon)

1) 8million hp reaver, 255 instant upgrades, 65335 base damage
2) Square Terrain, Null Terrain, Extended Terrain
4) Stacking
5) Being able to have an editor that allows you to place Terran, Zerg, and Protoss for the same player!!!
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In short, we take so much for granted of how easily Starcraft is manipulated for our purposes. Some people suddenly got an idea to use this flaw/gift in Starcraft for unprotecting.

Of course, we can't ask Blizzard for help, because if they did fix the flexibility of Starcraft we might lose our privileges (like EUDs).... It's a lose-lose situation.

It might just be me, but i've heard rumors that EUD's were already scrambled up in the latest patch..

That program was made by Heimdal. Heimdal gave it to a few friends to prove it was possible. Archn got it, changed some strings to show his name and boom thats all he had to do.

No one likes Archn. But lets not focus on that. We have a new foe.

I was refering back to the time of EUDs. My point was that Blizzard didn't seem to like us screwing around with its flaw (messing with unit attacks)... if we complain about this problem to Blizzard, it might use it as a way to make SC less flexible, and take away many of our little "perks" we take for granted, like square terrain.

Also, upon further thought, I don't think Blizzard would do anything considering protection usually is associated with the non-Blizzard campaign editors.
Hmm.

I used to do that before all these editors came out.
- Place your units
- Remove all units for that player
- Change the player's race (Units aren't there, so it wont complain about changing race)
- Undo. OMG THEY'RE BACK.

LOL i learned map making from opening up made maps and playing with them...the trigger viewer does not help noobs...trust me...

we took sc stuff for granted...this map protection stuff wasnt suppose to be in sc...nor those other editors...maybe sen reached the map making limit..

I like archn he is a cool guy, just don't trust him with anything

1. Agreed, but i think the term is mor harm than good. But still some very rare good for those willing to look at it that way. IMO: If your rational enough to think that you should already understand everything but hypers and switches. Those need some time....

2. Not agreed.....

You underestimate the mind of inexperianced immoral and immature 8-12 year olds that inhabit starcraft. Ive seen people that were 16 act 7.

My point here is alot of people are buying the game and starting out. Some will play it for 4 months and never pick it up again. Ive seen it all happen, from various types of gamers. However in 4 months alot of maps could be stolen. And lets say we find a way so that OSMap cannot unprotect maps using new protection, then it will happen like this:
Old Uber Map from Famouse Map Maker (Old Protection)
N00b uses OSMap
N00b changes name and slight cosmetics to make it look slightly edited but in his mind a new map.
N00b then uses new protection, and the map is farked.
No one on SC cares but SEN does.

Thats it plain and simple.

-Legacy

Well, for one, I do use other people's maps for referencing to some triggers that I need help on, like Variable random item stuff, speed, woodenfires insane terrains or virtual hp for my maps. Even though they are on the forums under concepts, it's always easier to do it hands on, I think. Of course, I always do give full credits, so I dont think I'm a leecher... do you?

Had to get back on this.....

While the Big B sees what we do as 'creative' in some views they do not in others. To them our little editors are 'flawed' and 'inferior' (LOL) to their included one. I bet if you asked some of the people that worked on SCs map editor what they thought of maps today personally, theyd like it. Others would shun what we do. I think Blizzard knows as well as we do that map makers are a huge part of the battle net community that are vital for it to run, and upsetting us is upsetting battle net.

But could i call them up, speak with someone 'important' and inquire about EUDs? Nope because no large company cares that much about what anyone has to say.

-Legacy

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If the credit is still there its not leeching. Infact its the only GOOD way to use OSMap. (Never put good and OSMap in the same sentence again.... )

-Legacy

This OSMAP seems like a pretty obvious invention. If Minimoose is correct in the way that it functions, then that's how I've been unlocking maps for years.

THE TRUTH: The supposed problem with anyone being able to unlock any map is that people will steal credit. The thing is however, the majority of the most commonly played maps on Battle.net are simple, unprotected maps that have a hundred different versions because anyone can edit them. Why are there are hundreds of different versions? Because the original map sucked huge freakin' balls. Most of the time, people only steal your map because it sucked in the first place, and they're going to make it better. On the offchance that someone is going to steal your crapty map and only change your name to theirs, it doesn't matter, your map sucked in the first place. A prime example of this is Mathrix(U)'s S.W.A.T. map. That map was really bad, and it had huge flaws. The original version never took hold, so it was easy for a stolen version to spread throughout the community.

Almost no maps are good. Almost no maps are worth stealing, and the ones that ARE good get distributed around Battle.net so fast that if some dipcrap switches his name into the map, it doesn't matter, the real version will still be more popular. Panzer_Kavalier's maps are perfect examples of this. Good maps can't be stolen, they're embedded in the community.

It's simple evolution, it's been going on for billions of years. Good designs persist, bad designs are modified (in this case by "map stealers"), or bad designs disappear all together. This is life, deal with it, do good and you will succeed, suck balls and you're going nowhere. No one has ever succeeded in stealing my maps and replacing them in the community, because the originals are too good and too widespread.

More likely that not, most people who actually work on maps don't even know about such programs, so the only people actually using this program are people with malicious intent. The people capable of following through with that malicious intent is even less. The fact is, those people could have unprotected your map before, so this changes nothing.

My only problem with this program, which is the same problem I have with Trigger Viewer, is that it makes it much less exciting to include secrets in your map if people can just use these tools to find the secrets.

Also there is a way to block this program from stealing your terrain. It will make larger though.

Most map stealers make good maps rigged, not fix them, i don't know from where did u came up with this theory..

I never seen that a map with "edited by" that is better than the original.. All i see are just some noob editions when they rigg units they like to use ingame to have all stats 9999, or they preplace tons of units for player 1 then they host the map, and think it's very cool. Sometimes, they just edit the terrain a bit, making it worse, and then place tons of Critters with their name of it.. etc...