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so if someone whispers the user and says the right text, anyone can ban. cept they cant ban red

Wow this is so kewl.....

Anyone can be banned, but only one person can ban them... (in my map for example, it'd be me...)

What about spoof hacks?
And you can also ignore whispers... =S

Guys I don't think you understand the applications of Text Detection. Text detection was thought to be utterly useless because it desyncs the game, so you can't use it in any real triggers. You can however use it for this ban system because it desyncs the game and the player you wanted banned is kicked out.

Yoni, if you're not using uberation, what ARE you using? Hopefully something awesome because Uberation has a horribly inefficient interface for this. And how do you know which lines don't use the first two bytes? Is it random or constant? If it's constant, which lines are they?

Thanks for the "At Least" tip, I was just adding characters because I didn't know how it would work if I left blanks.

Yoni I would appreciate it if you explained exactly what method you used to create your triggers and exactly what you did, because I don't want to spend weeks asking questions back and forth trying to figure out how to do this, as we never seem to be online at the same time.

ArtMoney memory searcher, and some math

The lines alternate, I forget which is which, but if line 1 uses all 4 bytes as the first 4 letters, then line 2 starts 2 bytes early, line 3 uses all 4, line 4 starts 2 bytes early, etc. etc.

I'll be home in about 20 min., I'll give you the death counts for where they start and a brief explanation as to how they propagate and u can go from there

post ur example map?

I thought of an easy way around this ban system.

/dnd gg ban.

Not only that, but suppose some ass figured out how it works and started banning your friends out of the game?

I've noted, several times, that it's user-specific.


As for Mini Moose, you're not the first to have thought of that

That's one of the downsides, but my map, for one, has a secondary EUD-based banner that DNDing can't get around...



For Desperado:

Deaths(P9, Exactly, 1178337280, 27720);
Deaths(P8, Exactly, 1178337280, 27711);
Deaths(P10, Exactly, 1178337280, 27729);
Deaths(P3, Exactly, 1869760060, 27716);
Deaths(P4, Exactly, 1869760060, 27725);
Deaths(P2, Exactly, 1869760060, 27707);
Deaths(P5, Exactly, 1869760060, 27734);
Deaths(P11, Exactly, 1178337280, 27738);
Deaths(P6, Exactly, 1869760060, 27743);
Deaths(P12, Exactly, 1178337280, 27747);
Deaths(P7, Exactly, 1869760060, 27752);

Those are the starting character locations for the 12 lines. I'll elaborate later...

Later:

Let's use the the first line as an example

Deaths(P2, Exactly, 1869760060, 27707);

this one uses all 4 bytes as the first 4 letters of the line. 1869760060 is the decimal converted version of the hex value of "<Rea"

to check for the next 4 letters, go up 1 player number. If you're on P12, then cycle back to P1, and add 1 to the unit number (27707 in this case).

The lines that have 1178337280 as the value are the ones that start 2 bytes before the actual text. The first two bytes have 0's in them, so 1178337280 is actually "__<R", where the _ don't represent spaces (which are 20's) or underscores, but 0 values.

Excellent system.
Instead of banning hackers, crash them.

You only listed eleven lines, and there should only BE eleven lines. Is this a mistake? I seem to recall a mysterious 12th line that isn't actually used, therefore I wouldn't need to check that line, correct?



I don't understand what you're doing here. Are you converting each character in the string "<Rea" to a hexidecimal value and then finding the mathematical decimal equivalent? That can't be right, that yields 1014130017. Furthermore why are you converting "<Rea" at all. The string would look something like this: "<From: Dyne> ban" so shouldn't you be converting "<Fro" ???

Further insight: It would seem that the value 1869760060 is actually "<Fro" in reverse. So it's "orF<" Why the hell is it backwards? Why did you claim that it was "<Rea" I really wish you just made some sense.

You have left me with far more questions than answers.

Its crazy, imagine a game without anything on it, but you could get units by typing their names, like if you wanted a marine, type marine, and stuff like this. Awesome! Good Job :bravo:

Oh, hell, you're absolutely right on both case hah... 12 was a typo, it's 11 lines. And yes, it's actually "<Fro" and "__<F". (I was at work, in a hurry =/)

In the case of "<Fro", this is:

3C 46 72 6F, which yields 1869760060 (it reads it backwards)

"<Rea" would yield 1634030140... but ah, i just noticed you found it yourself...

Yeah, it reads it backwards, I know...

cool

In Warcraft III it's normal to do so, they have text reading common triggers >.<

Hmm this sounds really cool but I'm trying to implement this into my map and I'm a little confused. Could you help me out? My battle.net name is Urmom.

Wow, thats someone who hasnt used a suped-up editor before.

FYI WC3 and do anything that sc can do even w/ eud's and 99999999999 times more. You can jass yourself a bloody parabolic jump move on that game, and encrypt unit data text into codes that the game reads for 'hero save/load' systems.


Anyway, brilliant banning system.




BTW, couldn't a name spoofer figure out the system, change their name to yours, and just ban random people in-game?

what if a spoofer uses a blank name....like, just a space.

I was wondering when someone'd get to that, but I think I've figured out a method to get around that too, I'll get back to you when I've tested it




They can still be banned if you know their original name, and if they dont come in with original name, they can generally be caught as it doesnt return stats... Anyway, the whisper banner doesnt always work 100%, there are ways around it, such as dnd-ing and anyone who'se running on a Mac, which is why, in my map for example, there is a secondary backup banner (also eud player based)

Update: Name spoofing will not work as long as you make it so that your ban uses a whispered message, from you. You have to do it that way anyway, to avoid desyncing everyone. The spoofer cannot spoof your name in a whisper. If someone is spoofing, you'll have to know their real name in order to use this method on them, however.

I was also wondering if perhaps one could add an action to the desyncing trigger to clear the players screen of text, so they wouldn't know that they got whispered and would have no idea why they were banned. Thus anyone who hasn't read this topic would have no idea the system existed and wouldn't know to squelch the person. I don't know if the action would actually be capable of running before the desynchronization occured.. you'd have to test that. I haven't been able to because...

Yoni: It seems that the offsets you gave are entirely different from the ones Uberation has, and that is my primary method for creating this triggers. I can pretty much do it by hand now but the only way to create these triggers seems to be Uberation or StarForge's trigger editor. TrigEdit won't allow you to use extended units on conditions. And there's no way in Hell I'm letting StarForge anywhere near my map. I assume that when you say you do it by hand, you're using Starforge to create the triggers?

Furthermore: Guys, please stop posting foolish notions about using text detection to perform other functions. It's use desynchonizes the player (drops them from the game) so it's only purpose can be to ban people. Take a page from DT_Battlekruser and delete your newbie posts so no one knows you don't know what you're talking about.

Ooh, that's right, i was thinking of another potential issue, where players can put up random stuff on the screen using a hack, you've probably seen it b4, using colors and such, etc...



Oh my, that's genius, well done! Regardless of desync, the trigger would still run on the player's host system, so that should work



Correct, I used SF with the replaced condition/action .lst files that allow for use of extended units... If you don't want to let SF touch your map directly, make a blank test map with those triggers in SF, save them, and load them into your map... (it'll make debugging in that small map much easier too)



Actually, see my other thread in regards to syncing text detection triggers via switches

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopic=31709

Briliant system, well done. If you could please PM me with how to do this ( with of course, retart readable ) that would be great. I would really like to see any improvement on this ( though, I really see no room for it ).

I get that you need those special .lst files and you use memcalc, right? But thats it.