Staredit Network

Well, here comes my big post.

I'll start with how SEN started. A small community of friends who personally invited each other, and everyone knew each other. There were no fancy three digit user ID numbers. This is esentially the endpoint of one site and the beginning of another, the cyclical lifetime of a StarCraft community, if you will. SCNation was having problems, Team Areola was founded to fix it. The site where Yoshi worked (never used it, so I forgot the name) was having problems, thus SEN came about. SEN is having problems now, and this new site is coming about. The general idea now is that I (whenever I say we, it tends to become "you" ) have to step up and do something to break this cycle. There has to be an effort to save and rebuild one place instead of destruction and creation because something can't or won't be saved.

SEN... the time Yoshi left. Tuxedo cites that SEN started to decline after this. I disagree - it was already in decline, and that's why Yoshi started to lose interest. His departure only sped up this decline.

Now, this obviously led to an increase in power and role for me... which I didn't entirely grasp. I was still letting IP make most, if not all, of the major policy changes. When there was a decision to make, I'd talk it over with IP. If IP was gone... not much happened. That was one reason I wasn't comfortable making major changes and shaking things up.

Eventually, I started to realize. The rules written by Yoshi were aging already, and some rewrites had to be done to enforce order. "If you think it's stupid, don't do it" just wasn't going to cut it anymore. With several thousand people, "stupid" can have just as many interpretation. One of the reasons I coded the v5 FAQ script was to write some policy.
Moderation had been in a decline. New moderators and staff had to be brought in to keep things working. I've been doing a nice hiring spree... and I realized that maturity and knowledge aren't worth very much if the moderator isn't willing to clean out the crap. Personally, I don't even like DEAD, but I know he'd defend SEN tooth and nail if it came to that. There is also the need for me to write out some more things, so that moderators become more independant.

Gradually, my inaction/time constraints and IP's general business and time away have led to another decline. I realize now that yes, a lot of complaints were made, and either I ignored them, or didn't feel responsible for them. Well, that's changing too. Some things have to be done to improve SEN. There is the "you can't expect us to do everything" arguement, but that needs to be balanced with... well, us doing SOMETHING.

As for the "new community"... nothing really needs to be done. If SEN is improved, we need not worry about them. There's no need for fighting, labeling "terrorists", or any of that. Ultimately we can't change what they do, but rather just worry about ourselves.

I't not talking about now, I'm talking about the time... well a fiew months ago. Nothing was changing, the staff was almost static for a long time, nothing new happened. If someone remembers, it was when me and DEAD changed our nicks.

If only one thing in your defense can be said, thank you for ending the use of the word terrorist. it is quite offensive.

The ultimate irony is that the main target of BeeR's analysis is people who won't understand it.

I think the admins should simply reset everyones warn to 0, and if you flame, get in a fight, whine, act like a prick. or do anything flame related, You get permanently banned.

Problem Solved!

Well, it's becoming a bigger community. We have to get used to it. Of course it was at a "good" stage when there were only hundreds of members. It was easier to keep under control. But now, you have thousands of members, including more posts per second, with the same amount of moderators, it's going to be a challenge.

It's a lot easier to be a jerk in a large community then in a small one.

First of all, I agree with everyone who had said 'forget about LW's site'. Who cares about it? LegacyWeapon is working on another map making website that people will probably soon get bored of. SEN and his site aren't rival clans, both trying to become more popular; we're different sites with different policies for different kind of people based on one subject.

On the subject of the failure of the staff and administration to accept new ideas is also, I think, false. The only idea I have seen that you can be talking about right now is OSMAP, and we even had a public poll on the subject. Other then that, I don't know what you are talking about.

Anything else?

You want to be banned? No offense, but you've done some of those things. A system like that wouldn't work.

That is pretty much what their doing at StarEdit Underground...

Darn. If only it were april 1st. That'd be the perfect prank.

That right there, is what i want everyone on this site to read atleast once. This little paragraph here shows why Moose is the only man for the job here at SEN. GG for you Moose haters.

Now that i have finished Beer's lengthy post id like to point out a few things.

First i think hes right about some things. I think hes right that Kelli and Devilesk arent the criminals we make them out to be. Maybe, well mabye LW isnt either. I still fight OSMAP and unprotection to the grave, but i dont see why i have to hate the people behind it now.

Beer has truely shown me a side of the arguement i never wanted to see. A side i think alot of us didnt want to see. A side that said "These people, some of them veterans of the community of SEN are doing what they think is the right thing to do." And I, along with others flammed them for it. We cursed them out as much as the censors allow, and we still held that hatred for what they did and what they support then as much as we do now.
But not me, not anymore. Infact i applaud them. I disagreed with what they did, and even when the worst in me came to chase them from their opinions they held firm. I didnt change not one of their minds, and its that strength i think needs some well deserved admiration.

I personally, will remember SC, SEN, and all of their people for as long as i possibly can. The experiances will never leave me completely. But id have even more hate twoards myself then i have twoards OSMAP if i didnt realize this soon if not sooner, just what i had been doing. I wasnt fighting unprotection, i was fighting people with an idea to help SC and the mapping community. I made a bad call, so did alot of us on more issues then this, and i think its time alot of us own up to such.

-Ex

You don't. You're experiencing what is known as "independant thought" or "thinking for yourself".


Who runs around doing what they think is the WRONG thing to do?

Kelli is, and always will be a flamer.
In fact, he is the only person on SEN who has ever flamed me directly.

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Yes tuxlar yes.

Did you know that your brain is 85% water and uses the same amount of energy as a 10-watt bulb?

Kellimus, Devilesk, Yoshi, Legacy.. they are all horrible people who happen to have talent. If they didn't have talent, you wouldn't think twice about putting a bullet through each of their heads. This is where the problem arises, you allow monsters to hang around because they happen to have talent. They lie, steal, cheat, and harm your community because they have no sense of right or wrong and actually believe their demented lies. Terrorists is an appropriate word to describe these individuals.

Like it or not, there is a battle of SEN vs Them, because you have monsters like them running around with the motivation to cause harm and spread their insane beliefs. The real problem is that you, dear reader, you members of SEN are not that great yourselves. It is a stab in the heart to have to help SEN win against a foe, but unfortunately the only two choices available are a gimped child and a demon with intent to destroy all in it's path.

Perhaps, if the timing is right, there may yet be another choice. I do not count on it.

Good post Desperado.

To beer_keg's kellimus remarks: The guy flamed soooo much! Yes, you tried to help him but he still kept being angry Kellimus. He might have been nice in SC and on MSN, but in this forum he was usually an angry person who flamed a whole bunch of people. To me, he wasn't breaking rules because they were out of date or whatever, but because he was just a mean-spirited person that enjoyed argueing with people in an immature fashion.

Usually I try to stay out of these unless I want someone to hear an opinion, well whatever I'm gonna give feedback on the current "book"
And yes some of my opinions are flawed, guess what I'm not always right, so dont respond to them saying "ZOMG YOU READ THE RULEZORZ WRONG AND YOU DONT UNDERSTAND CRAP!?!" because I really wont care.



All work and no play? Because thats basically what this rule says, whos smart-ass idea was it to tell everyone that you have to told up logical discussions in EVERY TOPIC of EVERY FORUM. And if this was a rule I could probably give 10 links for topics that poses NO logic in them what-so-ever.



How is that a rule? We don't really give 2 craps if you have that right or not, you wasted your time even writing that one up.



I'm not a big fan of swearing but do you need to cencor it, I could understand if people went around going "F*CK F*UCK" over and over in every post they make but I honestly doubt anyone would do that. Now since you mean directed towards another person, how is a swear word any worse then being called "a lying little power abuser" or something without any swearing in it at all, really how can a swear word bother someone that much?



Dont care.



Is it just me? Or does this look alot like #1?(Bolded)
To be honest I dont think anyone posts jibberish or 1337 unless they're complete idiots and are just trying to get post count up. Actually name 1 person that's came to this site and they're first post was like "y0 d00d wa22up?! Ya11 up in the J01nt in h3r3?!"



The first rule I don't have any complaints about.



Why do you even have this rule up, you dont even follow it. No excuses? My ass. And you know what I'm talking about Moose.



I really dont see how any of this is even a rule? Why put it in a seperate FAQ if you want us to report bugs. What are you trying to say "IF YOU DONT REPORT BUGZ YOU GET WARNED!!" ??



1. The name "Mini_Goose_2707" is considered an imitation, or am I just going dumb all of a sudden?
2. Moose YOU of all people have been hacked. You might as well remove this rule.



No comment. Mostly because I don't see anything wrong with it.



That doesnt seem like something that would go under "rules"



Again this really doesnt seem like a rule, more like a notifcation

I sure hope that you don't actually think about killing someone due to a disagreement about policies on a video game site.

The only people that are causing a "SEN vs Them" battle are people like you who consider anyone and anything that disagrees with your worldview "evil".

Yoshi, Devilesk, Legacy and Kellimus terrorists? No. Legacy and Yoshi are programmers, Kellimus is just an ordinary person, and Devilesk, although annoying at times, is no terrorist. Terrorists attempt to intimidate people into doing what they want through violence and fear.

In case you didn't notice, none of the people you listed are advocating putting a bullet through someone's head.

New Idea.

Why don't we as a COMMUNITY and not just the STAFF work togeather to figure out a way to make this a better site.

Ex: Moose's topic "Poll #1" but he'll have questions on how to better the community and we give him so full paragraph answers expressing our opinions and NOT making debates/arguments about it.

That wouldn't work because of the variety of opinions. Naturally, we disagree with each other on many levels.

Majority wins.

So basically you're saying that if we had millions of people for an idea and millions against an idea and one person decides to choose a side, the side with that one person should have their way? As you can see, that's the flaw with the "majority rules" policy. We have too many members to take that policy, it should be a last resort reference on an issue.

Last time I checked SeN had 7400ish members signed up and less then half come to this site, I'm not talking about the general public here buddy.