Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-10 at 19:13:25
Fine, monarchy, w/e same thing but its worse
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-10 at 19:19:10
No, communism and monarchies are not the same thing whatsoever. I'll leave it at that.
True, they don't. That's why they are pushing ahead as fast as they can to develop the technology that will make them capable of hitting the continental US with nuclear missiles.
What's sad about Japan is they are again getting hijacked by a Western-influenced warmongering government. If Abe and the LDP could come to their sense and look to regional peace and interdependence as more important that friendship with the US, things might improve.
I think many people miss the point of this issue. Look at things from Kim's perspective. Your country is starving, the most powerful nation in the world is determined to destroy you, and you need a way to not get run over like a squirrel hit by a car.
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Well, they dont have ICBMs, so theres no way they could launch a nuke at the US (even Alaska or Hawaii).
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True, they don't. That's why they are pushing ahead as fast as they can to develop the technology that will make them capable of hitting the continental US with nuclear missiles.
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I feel bad for Japan honestly. They are far too close to this zone of mayhem, and of course are our allies. You might say that Japan would not be targeted by Kim Jong Il, because they are our allies, and messing with Japan, is like messing with us (the U.S.), but you also might say that they would mess with Japan, because they are associated with us.
What's sad about Japan is they are again getting hijacked by a Western-influenced warmongering government. If Abe and the LDP could come to their sense and look to regional peace and interdependence as more important that friendship with the US, things might improve.
I think many people miss the point of this issue. Look at things from Kim's perspective. Your country is starving, the most powerful nation in the world is determined to destroy you, and you need a way to not get run over like a squirrel hit by a car.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Eskimo Bob on 2006-10-10 at 19:19:15
NK Isnt gonna use their weapons on anybody are they? I heard they tested weapons though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BlackerWinter on 2006-10-10 at 19:20:17
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They are worried that they will sell the nuclear warheads and ICBMs to other countries like Iran and other millitaristicly obsessed and enemies to the U.S.
Lithium, N. Korea doesnt have ICBMs at this time.. thats what people are worried about-- them GETTING ICBM missiles.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-10 at 19:27:10
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China said today that it would support appropriate “punitive actions” against North Korea in response to its announcement of a nuclear test, a harsher step than it has been willing to take in the past.
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North Korea’s Nuclear Test The country’s ambassador to the United Nations, Wang Guangya, told reporters that “there has to be some punitive actions, but also I think that these actions have to be appropriate.”
He said that the council needed to have a “firm, constructive, appropriate but prudent response to North Korea’s nuclear threat,” according to news services.
It was not clear whether Mr. Guangya’s remarks meant that China would support the resolution proposed by the United States, which calls for international inspections of all cargo going in or out of North Korea.
But the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, John R. Bolton, gave an upbeat assessment of the Security Council’s talks on North Korea today, even as he and other Bush administration officials sought to fend off criticism that North Korea’s apparent entry into the ranks of nuclear nations represented a failure of American policy.
In Beijing, Chinese officials had earlier reiterated their condemnation of the regime in Pyongyang, although a foreign ministry spokesman said that military action on the issue was “unimaginable.” President Hu Jintao called on all countries to “avoid actions that may lead to escalation or loss of control of the situation,” according to the official Xinhua news agency.
China and Russia are the crucial votes on the Security Council; each has a veto. In the past, China in particular has resisted tough measures against the North that it fears could destabilize its poor and isolated ally.
At a midday briefing at the United Nations in New York, Mr. Bolton said that lower-level experts were working on the details of a proposed resolution, although he said the Russian delegation was still awaiting instructions for how to respond. Russia has opposed threats of force in the West’s diplomatic standoff with Iran over uranium enrichment.
In Washington, the White House spokesman, Tony Snow, said that the most important new development regarding North Korea today was the agreement of all Security Council members, including China and Russia, “that there needs to be some appropriate punishment” as a way of persuading North Korea’s leaders to change their behavior.
“The people most directly capable of influencing their decisions have stepped up and said the old policy of appeasement wasn’t working,” Mr. Snow said.
He later backtracked from that label. “I’m not going to say appeasement,” he said. “You have had a primarily carrots-oriented approach.”
Both Mr. Snow and Mr. Bolton responded today critics who have called the claimed nuclear test a product of Mr. Bush’s refusal to allow one-to-one talks between the United States and North Korea.
Mr. Snow said that the approach pursued by President Clinton — which led to an agreement halting the North Korean nuclear program, an agreement Pyongyang is later believed to have violated — “made a lot of sense, but didn’t work.”
He said that the Bush administration has “learned from the mistakes, from the inability of prior administration efforts.”
Likewise, Mr. Bolton asserted that “the nuclear threat was really uncovered during the Bush administration.”
Asked about former Secretary of State James A. Baker III’s recent comment that “it’s not appeasement to talk to your enemies,” Mr. Bolton said, “If they want to talk to us, all they have to do is buy a plane ticket to Beijing.”
He said the United States had met directly with North Korea and was willing to do so again, but only under the umbrella of what are known as the six-nation talks, which also involve China, Japan, Russia and South Korea.
Mr. Snow also raised questions today about the truth of North Korea’s claim to have successfully detonated a nuclear device for the first time. Government and private analysts said on Monday that seismic records indicated that a large explosion did take place, but they suggested that it was far smaller than expected and that the test may have been a partial failure.
Mr. Snow said that it would take some time to learn what actually happened, and that there was “a remote possibility that we’ll never know.”
He also questioned whether North Korea could actually have developed a nuclear bomb in the time since it ejected international inspectors and began enriching large amounts of uranium. “You seriously believe that they have actually done everything within two years?” Mr. Snow said, according to news services. “You could have something that is very old and off the shelf, as well.”
Across Asia, the shock waves from North Korea’s announcement continued.
In Tokyo today, Finance Minister Koji Omi said that Japan would consider imposing more financial sanctions on North Korea, while two other cabinet members said Japan might consider imposing a trade embargo.
And Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yasuhisa Shiozaki, declared today that his government was considering “all possibilities,” while officials in China and South Korea were saying that they would oppose any use of force.
Meanwhile, the Yonhap news agency in China quoted an unnamed North Korean official who said that his nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the United States acts to resolve its standoff with the regime in Pyongyang, according to The Associated Press.
“We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes,” the official said. “That depends on how the U.S. will act.”
The official said the nuclear test was “an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table,” reported Yonhap, which did not say how or where it contacted the official, or why it did not give the official’s name.
Mr. Bolton said remarks like those quoted by the Yonhap agency were the sort of “threats and intimidation” that North Korea regularly uses as part of negotiations. “It’s worked for them before,” Mr. Bolton said. “It won’t work for them now.”
Mr. Bolton, interviewed on CNN, said that it was President Bush’s “clear preference” to resolve the matter peacefully, but the possibility of force remained.
“We’re keeping the military option on the table, because North Korea needs to know that” it is there,” he said.
In Seoul, Prime Minister Han Myung Sook told Parliament that her government would support United Nations sanctions against the North, but not military action that could spread into a war on the divided, densely armed Korean peninsula.
Japan’s new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, told Parliament in Tokyo today that quick action was needed in responding to North Korea’s announcement of a nuclear test, even as intelligence agencies are still working to confirm that it actually took place and to discern clues to its size and effectiveness.
“Basically, we would like to gather information and confirm it, but there are views that it may be difficult to verify it,” Mr. Abe said, when asked whether Japan would impose punitive measures even without confirmation, Reuters reported. “We’d like to make a comprehensive decision, also taking into account that North Korea has announced that it has carried out a nuclear test.”
“We have no intention of changing our policy that possessing nuclear weapons is not our option,” Mr. Abe addded. “There will be no change in our non-nuclear arms principles.”
President Roh Moo Hyun of South Korea met with political leaders and former presidents today for discussions on how far he should revamp South Korea’s decade-old policy of engaging North Korea with aid and investment.
Mr. Roh said a “change” was inevitable, but sounded unsure of how big it should be, as South Korean society appeared to slide into an ideological divide. Liberals have expressed sympathy with the North, seeing the claimed nuclear test as a desperate reaction to what they call the Bush administration’s confrontational approach. Conservatives, meanwhile, view it as proof that Roh’s reconciliation policy has failed.
Nearly one-third of the 1,260 South Korean tourists who planned to visit the scenic Diamond Mountain in North Korea today canceled their trips, said officials at Hyundai-Asan, which runs the tours. At three South Korean ports, freighters waited for word from Seoul about whether they could sail to the North with food and construction materials intended for flood victims in North Korea.
Choe Sang-Hun reported from Seoul and John O’Neil from New York.
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Published: October 10, 2006
China said today that it would support appropriate “punitive actions” against North Korea in response to its announcement of a nuclear test, a harsher step than it has been willing to take in the past.
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North Korea’s Nuclear Test The country’s ambassador to the United Nations, Wang Guangya, told reporters that “there has to be some punitive actions, but also I think that these actions have to be appropriate.”
He said that the council needed to have a “firm, constructive, appropriate but prudent response to North Korea’s nuclear threat,” according to news services.
It was not clear whether Mr. Guangya’s remarks meant that China would support the resolution proposed by the United States, which calls for international inspections of all cargo going in or out of North Korea.
But the United States Ambassador to the United Nations, John R. Bolton, gave an upbeat assessment of the Security Council’s talks on North Korea today, even as he and other Bush administration officials sought to fend off criticism that North Korea’s apparent entry into the ranks of nuclear nations represented a failure of American policy.
In Beijing, Chinese officials had earlier reiterated their condemnation of the regime in Pyongyang, although a foreign ministry spokesman said that military action on the issue was “unimaginable.” President Hu Jintao called on all countries to “avoid actions that may lead to escalation or loss of control of the situation,” according to the official Xinhua news agency.
China and Russia are the crucial votes on the Security Council; each has a veto. In the past, China in particular has resisted tough measures against the North that it fears could destabilize its poor and isolated ally.
At a midday briefing at the United Nations in New York, Mr. Bolton said that lower-level experts were working on the details of a proposed resolution, although he said the Russian delegation was still awaiting instructions for how to respond. Russia has opposed threats of force in the West’s diplomatic standoff with Iran over uranium enrichment.
In Washington, the White House spokesman, Tony Snow, said that the most important new development regarding North Korea today was the agreement of all Security Council members, including China and Russia, “that there needs to be some appropriate punishment” as a way of persuading North Korea’s leaders to change their behavior.
“The people most directly capable of influencing their decisions have stepped up and said the old policy of appeasement wasn’t working,” Mr. Snow said.
He later backtracked from that label. “I’m not going to say appeasement,” he said. “You have had a primarily carrots-oriented approach.”
Both Mr. Snow and Mr. Bolton responded today critics who have called the claimed nuclear test a product of Mr. Bush’s refusal to allow one-to-one talks between the United States and North Korea.
Mr. Snow said that the approach pursued by President Clinton — which led to an agreement halting the North Korean nuclear program, an agreement Pyongyang is later believed to have violated — “made a lot of sense, but didn’t work.”
He said that the Bush administration has “learned from the mistakes, from the inability of prior administration efforts.”
Likewise, Mr. Bolton asserted that “the nuclear threat was really uncovered during the Bush administration.”
Asked about former Secretary of State James A. Baker III’s recent comment that “it’s not appeasement to talk to your enemies,” Mr. Bolton said, “If they want to talk to us, all they have to do is buy a plane ticket to Beijing.”
He said the United States had met directly with North Korea and was willing to do so again, but only under the umbrella of what are known as the six-nation talks, which also involve China, Japan, Russia and South Korea.
Mr. Snow also raised questions today about the truth of North Korea’s claim to have successfully detonated a nuclear device for the first time. Government and private analysts said on Monday that seismic records indicated that a large explosion did take place, but they suggested that it was far smaller than expected and that the test may have been a partial failure.
Mr. Snow said that it would take some time to learn what actually happened, and that there was “a remote possibility that we’ll never know.”
He also questioned whether North Korea could actually have developed a nuclear bomb in the time since it ejected international inspectors and began enriching large amounts of uranium. “You seriously believe that they have actually done everything within two years?” Mr. Snow said, according to news services. “You could have something that is very old and off the shelf, as well.”
Across Asia, the shock waves from North Korea’s announcement continued.
In Tokyo today, Finance Minister Koji Omi said that Japan would consider imposing more financial sanctions on North Korea, while two other cabinet members said Japan might consider imposing a trade embargo.
And Japan’s chief cabinet secretary, Yasuhisa Shiozaki, declared today that his government was considering “all possibilities,” while officials in China and South Korea were saying that they would oppose any use of force.
Meanwhile, the Yonhap news agency in China quoted an unnamed North Korean official who said that his nation could fire a nuclear-tipped missile unless the United States acts to resolve its standoff with the regime in Pyongyang, according to The Associated Press.
“We hope the situation will be resolved before an unfortunate incident of us firing a nuclear missile comes,” the official said. “That depends on how the U.S. will act.”
The official said the nuclear test was “an expression of our intention to face the United States across the negotiating table,” reported Yonhap, which did not say how or where it contacted the official, or why it did not give the official’s name.
Mr. Bolton said remarks like those quoted by the Yonhap agency were the sort of “threats and intimidation” that North Korea regularly uses as part of negotiations. “It’s worked for them before,” Mr. Bolton said. “It won’t work for them now.”
Mr. Bolton, interviewed on CNN, said that it was President Bush’s “clear preference” to resolve the matter peacefully, but the possibility of force remained.
“We’re keeping the military option on the table, because North Korea needs to know that” it is there,” he said.
In Seoul, Prime Minister Han Myung Sook told Parliament that her government would support United Nations sanctions against the North, but not military action that could spread into a war on the divided, densely armed Korean peninsula.
Japan’s new prime minister, Shinzo Abe, told Parliament in Tokyo today that quick action was needed in responding to North Korea’s announcement of a nuclear test, even as intelligence agencies are still working to confirm that it actually took place and to discern clues to its size and effectiveness.
“Basically, we would like to gather information and confirm it, but there are views that it may be difficult to verify it,” Mr. Abe said, when asked whether Japan would impose punitive measures even without confirmation, Reuters reported. “We’d like to make a comprehensive decision, also taking into account that North Korea has announced that it has carried out a nuclear test.”
“We have no intention of changing our policy that possessing nuclear weapons is not our option,” Mr. Abe addded. “There will be no change in our non-nuclear arms principles.”
President Roh Moo Hyun of South Korea met with political leaders and former presidents today for discussions on how far he should revamp South Korea’s decade-old policy of engaging North Korea with aid and investment.
Mr. Roh said a “change” was inevitable, but sounded unsure of how big it should be, as South Korean society appeared to slide into an ideological divide. Liberals have expressed sympathy with the North, seeing the claimed nuclear test as a desperate reaction to what they call the Bush administration’s confrontational approach. Conservatives, meanwhile, view it as proof that Roh’s reconciliation policy has failed.
Nearly one-third of the 1,260 South Korean tourists who planned to visit the scenic Diamond Mountain in North Korea today canceled their trips, said officials at Hyundai-Asan, which runs the tours. At three South Korean ports, freighters waited for word from Seoul about whether they could sail to the North with food and construction materials intended for flood victims in North Korea.
Choe Sang-Hun reported from Seoul and John O’Neil from New York.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-10-10 at 21:00:30
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 10 2006, 05:18 PM)
I think many people miss the point of this issue. Look at things from Kim's perspective. Your country is starving, the most powerful nation in the world is determined to destroy you, and you need a way to not get run over like a squirrel hit by a car.
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Even so, when the other countries urged him not to do so, he tested nuclear weapons anyways. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to know that the other countries will just become more pissed at North Korea.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-10 at 21:06:53
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I think many people miss the point of this issue. Look at things from Kim's perspective. Your country is starving, the most powerful nation in the world is determined to destroy you, and you need a way to not get run over like a squirrel hit by a car.
I dont think Kim Jong Il even cares for his people. I think he cares for only the Nuclear Warheads and to act Big.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 01:13:08
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Even so, when the other countries urged him not to do so, he tested nuclear weapons anyways. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to know that the other countries will just become more pissed at North Korea.
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Does Kim care what the rest of the world thinks? From his standpoint, America wants him and his country gone, so what's another seven or eight allies on America's side more or less? Nuclear war leads to global annhilation, whether it be fifty countries against fifty, or one or two against the rest of the world.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MasterJohnny on 2006-10-11 at 01:58:51
heres a little offtopic thought: if N.K. were to nuke japan would the Wii still come out?( i really want the wii)
could we buy the nuke off of N.K. ? north korea is poor...so buy a nuke?
could we buy the nuke off of N.K. ? north korea is poor...so buy a nuke?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lonely_duck on 2006-10-11 at 02:02:58
We already have enough nukes as it is.
But I'd totally buy all of their prostitutes and have some Kim shloung Il parties
But I'd totally buy all of their prostitutes and have some Kim shloung Il parties
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-11 at 03:01:27
I doubt they'd have the energy to have sex when they are starving 
Taepodong-2 is a type of ICBM, its effective range is 6000 km which just rounds up some minor islands and the coastal part of Alaska, including some bases and airports there. They announced it successful for a reason; they know what the hell was wrong with their missile. If you look at it logically...
The U.S. has a much better nuke than the North Korea does. It appears their nuke don't even blast in a synchronized time.
On another note, we've given North Korea enough time to fix that missile issue.
Taepodong-2 is a type of ICBM, its effective range is 6000 km which just rounds up some minor islands and the coastal part of Alaska, including some bases and airports there. They announced it successful for a reason; they know what the hell was wrong with their missile. If you look at it logically...
The U.S. has a much better nuke than the North Korea does. It appears their nuke don't even blast in a synchronized time.
On another note, we've given North Korea enough time to fix that missile issue.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-11 at 03:42:18
Who's "we"?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-10-11 at 08:47:09
Has anyone considered that the Taepodong-2 may have been sabotaged? It would be difficult to get spies into NK because of the nature of their society (utterly closed), but I'm sure it's possible.
On the subject of Mr. Kim Jong-Il, I would conclude that he is a nutcase.
My reasoning is that he is the leader of a small nation with obsolescent military equipment, adjacent to a very powerful China which could easily withdraw its support for the NK economy. However, he insists on pressing ahead with belligerent actions. He is not like Hitler prior to the Second World War, who had the economy and (debatably) the army to back up his actions; he is a tinpot dictator with a reserve of luck which will run out in time. Perhaps he is not as stupid as he seems though - he has picked a time to push his nuclear programme forward when the West can do absolutely nothing about it, tied up in Iraq as we are.
The US will not interfere in NK anyway because it is very much in China's sphere of influence. Even the cowboys in charge of US foreign policy before the Iraq invasion would think twice about meddling in Chinese affairs and souring relations between East and West.
As for what should be done with NK's weapons - I want to ask what exactly Kim is thinking of doing with them. His rationale may be that he feels threatened by China in the north and the democratisation of the world which the US seems to have embarked upon, and therefore wishes to keep a nuclear deterrent in order to prevent 'regime change.' Who knows? In short, he shouldn't have nukes.
On the subject of Mr. Kim Jong-Il, I would conclude that he is a nutcase.
My reasoning is that he is the leader of a small nation with obsolescent military equipment, adjacent to a very powerful China which could easily withdraw its support for the NK economy. However, he insists on pressing ahead with belligerent actions. He is not like Hitler prior to the Second World War, who had the economy and (debatably) the army to back up his actions; he is a tinpot dictator with a reserve of luck which will run out in time. Perhaps he is not as stupid as he seems though - he has picked a time to push his nuclear programme forward when the West can do absolutely nothing about it, tied up in Iraq as we are.
The US will not interfere in NK anyway because it is very much in China's sphere of influence. Even the cowboys in charge of US foreign policy before the Iraq invasion would think twice about meddling in Chinese affairs and souring relations between East and West.
As for what should be done with NK's weapons - I want to ask what exactly Kim is thinking of doing with them. His rationale may be that he feels threatened by China in the north and the democratisation of the world which the US seems to have embarked upon, and therefore wishes to keep a nuclear deterrent in order to prevent 'regime change.' Who knows? In short, he shouldn't have nukes.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Lithium on 2006-10-11 at 10:52:46
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Who's "we"?
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Everyone Not North Korean
and for another part, I've never seen North Korea stick to the rules from the history to present time. Kim Jung Il isn't as brilliant as Hitler was.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by JordanN_3335 on 2006-10-11 at 14:55:54
ya but hitler sent his army to fight USSR in the snow
also dont forgot russia was famous for there female snipers.
eventually north koreas gona make n "accidental" launch and it hits south korea and boom. Another war will begin.
also dont forgot russia was famous for there female snipers.
eventually north koreas gona make n "accidental" launch and it hits south korea and boom. Another war will begin.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-10-11 at 16:35:40
The question of whether Hitler was 'brilliant' or not is also debateable.
Some say he was just lucky.
Some say he was just lucky.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by IsolatedPurity on 2006-10-11 at 16:47:05
QUOTE(HolySin @ Oct 9 2006, 06:41 PM)
I believe that the U.S. government will say that they'll keep an eye on North Korea, but then ignore it after two days or so and go back to focusing on Iran and it's development of nuclear power.
Go back to Iran and focus on oil, you mean
.We won't do anything about north korea... reason being, we don't need their land to survive as #1 OMG SUPER P0W3R.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-11 at 18:15:11
QUOTE(Mini_Goose_2707 @ Oct 11 2006, 01:55 PM)
ya but hitler sent his army to fight USSR in the snow
also dont forgot russia was famous for there female snipers.
eventually north koreas gona make n "accidental" launch and it hits south korea and boom. Another war will begin.
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eventually north koreas gona make n "accidental" launch and it hits south korea and boom. Another war will begin.
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I doubt that, since its very close to North Korea. If you see the world map you can see how small Korea is. And when Hiroshima was bombed, it had a big AoE. Now imagine with today's technology, how far the area of the war heads would be.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-11 at 19:26:42
If North Korea launched a nuke, more likely than not it would malfunction. At least that's their track record so far. Even if it did somehow manage to detonate successfully at its target destination (provided it wasn't shot down either, which there is a chance of happening), we would never retaliate with nuclear armaments of our own.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BlackerWinter on 2006-10-11 at 19:46:46
I dunno man, as i recall, it sure as hell didnt even take a nuke to get us to use, not one, but two on our ~ironicly~ now good ally: Japan
ya ya, that was how we thought we could end WWII, and it worked. But if we dont do something about N. Korea, we're gonna be dealing with a WWIII. I say end that one pre-emptively.
But of course the retarded UN that the USA set up would never let us do anything like that. The UN is nothing but a factory of red tape. This is of course why we should be like Isreal in my opinion. Isreal doesnt give a sh*t about what the UN says-- about anything! If Isreal feels in danger at anytime, they blow the living sh*t out of who is makin them feel un-safe. And God forbid you do something large scale to them (like kill over 300 people at a pop) they will make sure you never do something that utterly foolish again.
Us on the other hand, we cant even get God damn weapons inspectors in a given country for a staggering 11 months with the UN stickin its nose in everything. and by that time that country manages to get its weapons in trucks and converted 777s and ship all their stuff to their next door neighbor-- Iran. That right there, is an endless cycle of B.S.. I think that establishing the UN was our countrie's biggest failure, because it not only effects us, but everyone else now.
ya ya, that was how we thought we could end WWII, and it worked. But if we dont do something about N. Korea, we're gonna be dealing with a WWIII. I say end that one pre-emptively.
But of course the retarded UN that the USA set up would never let us do anything like that. The UN is nothing but a factory of red tape. This is of course why we should be like Isreal in my opinion. Isreal doesnt give a sh*t about what the UN says-- about anything! If Isreal feels in danger at anytime, they blow the living sh*t out of who is makin them feel un-safe. And God forbid you do something large scale to them (like kill over 300 people at a pop) they will make sure you never do something that utterly foolish again.
Us on the other hand, we cant even get God damn weapons inspectors in a given country for a staggering 11 months with the UN stickin its nose in everything. and by that time that country manages to get its weapons in trucks and converted 777s and ship all their stuff to their next door neighbor-- Iran. That right there, is an endless cycle of B.S.. I think that establishing the UN was our countrie's biggest failure, because it not only effects us, but everyone else now.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by (DI)Yulla on 2006-10-11 at 20:35:26
QUOTE(Felagund @ Oct 11 2006, 06:26 PM)
If North Korea launched a nuke, more likely than not it would malfunction. At least that's their track record so far. Even if it did somehow manage to detonate successfully at its target destination (provided it wasn't shot down either, which there is a chance of happening), we would never retaliate with nuclear armaments of our own.
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Therefore, US = idiots. too peace-minded to govern the world. too idiotic to retaliate attacks.
Also, NK doesn't have technology to launch weapons all the way to US. If ANYTHING, they will attack SK (Bad for me, my home nation with my family living there), or they will attack nothing at all.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-11 at 20:53:30
Well they can probably hit near california or Hawaii
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-10-11 at 21:11:56
Hitting water nearby could cause a tsunami, that was one of the ideas the U.S. had when they were planning their nuclear strikes on Japan in WWII.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-10-11 at 22:04:25
They can't reach the continental United States at peak efficiency even. Yulla, if warmongers like you ruled the world, we'd not have a world to live in. We should all look to peaceful ways to end conflict, and if that fails, blow the living s--t out of the people that want war so only the good ol' pacifists remain!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-11 at 22:05:59
QUOTE(HolySin @ Oct 11 2006, 08:11 PM)
Hitting water nearby could cause a tsunami, that was one of the ideas the U.S. had when they were planning their nuclear strikes on Japan in WWII.
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wow, where do u get all these informations?