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The thing is, your wrong. No economy doesn't mean no supplies. Robots will do all the work. They will take care of growing food, making other products, and repairs if necessary. There would be motive for any of those random murders, thus we wouldn't need any armies nor protection. People tend to break laws because their motive is very strong or they are insane, which I addressed in my previous post.

I also noticed you are looking at this at a very current perspective. You brought up the Palastinians and used some present tense words. This would be the future, and a utopian society is impossible currently. It is impossible to create a utopian society without the shedding of blood; I never said it would be easy or a peaceful way of getting to that point. Before the creation of a utopian society occurs, the erradication of all those who oppose the dominant will have to take place. I know, that is very disturbing, but people would either learn not to oppose, join the dominant force through fear, or be destroyed. When there is absolutely no opposition, that utopian society will slowly be created. So basically, before the Utopian society is created, all "terrorists" would be dead. Sad isn't it?

Nobody wouldn't take more than they need if everything was free. What is the purpose? Robots would do all the work and give us food. They would also understand the amount of food each person needs through their AI. Yet again, the greed for materials would have lack of motive and it wouldn't be such a huge problem.

As far as a person who wants power goes, they would need support. People who don't want a government don't need to get in that person's way, they just simply need to ignore them. That person would have no power even if they tried.

It's awkward how this thread went from AI Robots towards Utopian Societies. Anyways, your move Sherlock.

*Red2Blue shifts back into the AI talk*

I believe that AI is indeed possible in the future. Heck, maybe we will see some of it in our lifetimes. Who knows. All I know is that I want to see what is going to happen! There are four generations of software.

First generation, think of basic one function programs in cars.
Second generation, think qbasic.
Third Generation, think visualbasic.
Fourth Generation, AI.

With the current software updates literally every computer company with the money has been able to create a replica of a robot doing a specific task. One company has made the head, another has made a robot able to walk around, another with sensors to detect depth and location (it can tell what is a male or female with 1% inaccuracy, hey, you can't tell a guy from a girl if the guy has long hair okay?), another one with sound receptors and sound detection, and another one that can actually speak! Amazing! If all the computer companies came together they could essentially create an independant robot that can move talk walk do everything that a human can with insane abilities. Too bad though, the early productions would probably cost billions if not trillions of dollars to compose. Who knows where they would go.



Simple first generation robots are already doing all the work. If we had complete ai robots doing all the work then the human race would begin to cease to exist. There would be no jobs for people, there would be no income, we would all die to the tireless, fatigueless, literally indestructable, living army of metal.

Just because a robot has complete AI, doesn't mean that it can't be restrained from certain actions. Robots can only do what we program them to. We wouldn't cease to exist, we would just be very lethargic.

That's all backwash, I'll have you know that dozens of natural disasters are being controlled daily. Wild animals can easily be 100% controlled and real life isn't "Just like in the movies...". I'm sure that the intelligent programmers who create AI know exactly if their machine will rage out of control and backfire.

No. Hence AI is ARTIFICIAL intelligence. It wouldn't REALLY be alive. It would be a very complex and well through-out program made to IMITATE life and PRETEND to be alive. It wouldn't be real though. Also, it should have a built in shut-down code in it to deactive it if it could out of control.

No, the power subject isn't taken care of because you insist that somebody would just go and take power. People aren't idiots, you must keep that in mind. A person won't come to power because people wouldn't support it. Now that's truly taken care of. Is religion really that big of an issue? Robots have free will and would follow any religion they want with AI or no religion at all. People would simply follow their own religion. There really isn't any problem with religion since all extremists would have been taken care of. This conversation is now transforming into religion, so I'll end it with this.

The robots may have absolute AI, but we would still dominate them. Robots are as powerful as we program them to be. Since we can control them, we wouldn't need to work, we wouldn't need to bicker, we wouldn't have anybody extreme for there would be nothing to be extreme about, we wouldn't need an economy, we wouldn't need a government, we wouldn't have to think. We invent the future, so we could make inventions that invent it for us.

I have a suggestion for you, read back on all the previous posts, almost all of the stuff you:
A. Misinterpretted.
B. Didn't read.
C. Don't want to accept.
D. Don't understand.

Seriously, I'm done with this conversation, feel free to ramble on, it's a lost cause.

AI is most likely possible. From where we are advancing in technology,almost anything is possible. There are computers that play chess and the sort. Even in starcraft the way we program a computer with instructions to follow specifically...machines can be programmed with the way they work...likea way to think for itself would probably end up in a disaster. I heard they already invented a robot with some sort of AI.
Some stuff or rumors you would've heard about is if computer/robots/machines are able to think for themselves,theyd probably turn on humans which be a fear to a lot of people.

knowing how we are today in the world...bringing ai robots or programming them to do things against the human society is very vague.
Probably if we market ai robot , maybe the military would want them. We might be pinnign war agaisnt each other.
For other kinds of ai robots...it just seems humans are getting lazier and programming the robots to do everything for us.I might be out of a limb here...but i guess it depends what they are programmed to do...but the ai is for machines and robots to be able to make decisions for itself like a real human being. it just depends what ai they are given...

Possibly once quantum computing goes beyond theoretical stage. But actual thinking computers will never be a possibility on silicon computing of today. Even when that time does come AI will not be anything like human intelligence. Anger, Hate, Love, Passion, these are all things that come naturally to a human and can never truly be simulated by simple programming.

We're a slave to our hormones and chemicals running through our flesh, and the resulting reactions that happen because of the right amount of say adrenaline has many effects. Essentially a computer can never be anything more than a 100% logical machine and is nothing that we actually need. Simple robots for cleaning floors, mowing lawns, and even building houses already exist. To be perfectly honest there's no logical reason why we will ever need AI more advanced than this.

Sure robots will eventually need speech recognition such as "get me a glass of water", but the robot doesnt need to "understand" the words on any higher level.

Paranoid you might call me but go watch "The Second Renaissance" on the Animatrix DVD, which gives a decent portrayal of how "thinking" robots are not necissarily a good thing.


Thats a silly conclusion, humans released the power of the sun within three years during the Manhattan Project. To say we "cannot" do something is simply ridiculous.

Humans conscience operates on the limbic system, more commonly known as the cerebral cortex, this is the 10% that many have spoken of in this thread. A "sentient" robot would basically be using 100% of its computational power because it lacks a mammilian and reptilian lower brain for emotions. So its entirely possible that if you throw in the right "random" codes a robot intelligence could easily pass up a human in conscious thought. (Which is something we dont want)



What gives you that impression? All resources on earth are inherently 'limited'. Solar power while fine for certain uses cannot possibly provide a long term solution. Mostly because a single city consumes so much energy during the day that you would need literally dozens upon dozens of miles of solar panels to supply a single city of power and enough to charge enormous batteries underneath the cities to power them through the night hours.


edit: first post after about two years.

Matter can neither be created nor destroyed. The problem is distribution and how we can get those resources.

Maybe you're not understanding the term correctly. Of course matter is not destroyed when its used, but through use its converted to a form thats no longer purposeful.

Once crude oil is processed into gasoline and burned, far as we're concerned its gone forever. Thus oil production will peak as soon as 2010 and there will be none left to drill from the earth within 30-40 years.

Regardless of if hydrogen will replace standard combustion engines and somewhat slow oil consumption that doesnt change the fact that one day there will be none left drill.

I never said we were restricted to only earth. The problem could be finding another planet for resources. We don't know. Also, the rate in which we get oil is much faster than the rate it regenerates. Oil wouldn't be gone forever unless the entire planet is destroyed, it would simply be a long period in which we would not have oil.

No, the oil that is produced will probably be used right away for special purposes, while the rest of us won't have any.

AI will evolve in a few centuries, but not replace us, like in Terminator or something. But if we continue to make robots better, they will take over our jobs and such, and everything related to money for Humans will generally shut down. I want AI to be advanced enough to be a little slave at home, but not a machine or something that will ruin our planet and such.

Is our brain really more then just an insanly complex circuit board of nerves that carry signals from one place to another?

...No.

I dont see why this is so hard for anyone to understand.

Of course AI is possible! Our brains, the controller of our "intelligence" is maneuvered and controlled by electrical nerve signals! How hard could it be to mimic these?

Humanity is going to need a whole new philosophy on life before you bring in robots. much MUCH MUCH controversy is soon to come. Only way to solve this, is to go back to the roots, and climb your way up by using deductive reasoning. Even then, we're gonna have some problems because EVERYTHING will come into play. Economics, religion, politics. This may very well spark a new wave of thinking.

Now, our ABILITY to do this is a diff thing. I don't know our true limits on technology, but I won't be one bit amazed if it's done within this century alone. Or even have stuff that rivals humans next century.