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heh. nice one. i admit it was funny. No it's not that i change it after you post. It's just i find new sources to back up my believes and i dont feel like posting twice in a row. So i just add it on. If you'd like i'll stop editing.

He has proved nothing. It has already been said from the 911research site that the very middle is made up of a reinforced central column. Along with with the perimeter columns. They heard explosion nearby not from 90 floors above. Even demolition experts agree, if it was not demolition it would not have pancaked. It would have toppled over. Also the history of sky scrapers is in that video and on the 911research site. A building burned for 19 hours and 8 floors caught fire... and guess what your not going to believe this... IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE!!!! No steel skyscraper in the history of the world has ever toppled because of fire. BTW you really need to see arbs vid. All your questions are answered in there. Also, want to know whats funny? Usama stated that he did not do it, right after the attacks took place. Then guess what came out? A video of him admitting. (Funny thing is, in arbs vid, they compare the face of usama in the vid to the countless pics we have of him. Guess what? They didn't look alike. Also on the NSA website, it states he is left handed. In the video he is writing with his right hand. Also if you look carefully he is wearing a gold ring and a watch. strictly forbidden by islamic code. Not sure about the islamic code but if you want to know what it says... watch the vid. BTW the knocked out windows were dozens of floors BELOW the actual pancaking.

The thing about your posts are. You dont put any links of proof in them. How am i suppposed to argue all you say is that one 911 website. And that 1 video. All my evidence has come from multiple sources. Please provide me with some links. And for the burning building. Did a plane strike it? Was there a large explosion like what resulted from the plane crash? Was it at that altitude? No No No. There's no way to compare them together. Totally different scenarios except for the fire. The fire extinguishing system was rendered useless from the plane crash. So unless there's been another plane crash on a building of that height you cant compare the two. What i want from you is quoted text saying where the firemen were. That the explosions were close. And such to back up your claims. Hell.. post the link to the arb's vid again. I'm not saying whatever you say is wrong. I'm just saying i'd like some links. Bleh this argument is never going to end.

Maybe if you didnt' jump in on the bandwagon, you would see all the quotes -_-

I've put over 3 farking links. Stop complaining because the information YOU WANT TO HEAR isn't on them. Your glad to post the cnn link because it goes along with your views. God damn hipocrits. Maybe if you would watch the farking video. You would quit your yapping and start spouting something good and not something already said and proven. The structred steel was up-to-date with all quidelines. It would have held. What does the altiditude have anbything to do with it? In fact it would help my argument because the higher up the less oxygen, the less oxygen the more starved the flames are for oxygen and the cooler it becomes. Plane or no plane, the official story is they commapsled due to the intense flames. The other buildings stricken by fires with INTENSE HEAT did NOT collapse. End of story. The plane exploded, if the collapsing was due to the plane they would of collapsed outright. The fuel was USED up in the initial blast. If the fuel is INSIDE the plane, and the entire plane gets blown to bits AROUND the fuel, then the fuel must have all exploded. The Structured steel, even if it didn't have fire protection would not have melted. PERIOD.

I admit to being too riled up but i get pissed when i have to repeat myself 10 times, get told i provided no links when i clearly throughout this entire thread posted many links, and you keep bringing up something already proven. Structured steel is very tough, it does not melt or bend until RED HOT. thats around 1500 degrees celcius. Think of water, its boiling point is 100 degrees F. Yet it sometimes boils at 98, or it boils at 101. but it will NOT boil at 50 degrees. Did you see any RED HOT steel? I sure as hell didn't. also in arbs vid it has news reporters from cnn and other news agencies saying LIVE what they thought. His vid is on the first page.

It didnt melt it bent.

And yours dont go along with your views? Hah. Those links ARE your views.

There is no real PROOF of ANYTHING you state. But i have questions for you. If the place was set for demolition it would have taken at least a week to place all the explosives in all 3 buildings to demolish them. Why didnt anybody notice them? How would the government put a demolitions squad into the WTC buildings without noticement? They talk about WTC7 being part of it. WTC7 collapsed a long time after the first two. Like around 5:30 PM i believe. Why did those take so long to blow up? What about the other plane crashes, were they demolitions too? Your story has more holes then swiss cheeze.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1579092.stm

For those two.



Obviously it bends at 800.



Enough said.



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http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/...Eagar-0112.html
^ ^ THAT WAS THE EDIT. Wanted to give a link.
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I'm so glad you assumed everything they said were my views. I'm also glad your WRONG. I believe the main part, but there are some small things I don't agree with. Also if you would WATCH THE GOD DAMN farkING VIDEO FOR THE FIFTH farkING TIME!!!! You would see that it clearly explains how they would of gotten there. the video answers all. farking watch it and don't post again until you watch it fully. I'm sick of farking people who won;t watch a god damned vid and ask rtarded questions answered within the vid. It farking pisses me off. Now I'm going to go eat something before I blow a lid.

You know what, for the hell of it, i'm going to tell you, and this will be the LAST time i answer something on the vid. A couple weeks before 9-11, port authority had the main power shut down throughout the buildings to "install a connection to better the bandwidth" So for a few days, engineers had free reign throughout the building because the cameras were offline due to the power. This ALSO is proven fact.

BTW you still haven't answered why there was an explosion BEFORE the plane hit. All the people that saw it on the tape in slow-mo say it looks like a wire guided missle.

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Another thing, the truss factor has been disproved on that 911research site.

Ok. I just finished the entire video. Bleh really long. I see your points. The video does have a lot of good points. But it is mostly based of eye witnesses, although some of their points are just as legitament as mine. I still stand by my point, that the U.S. did not plan these explosions. Although, some of the stuff i just could not believe. Like the lady who said she saw a white plane fly over her at 40 feet so she "ducked" yet after that she could descripe the plane EXACTLY. The type of jet, the markings, details, ect. I doubt if you saw a plane coming towards you at 40 feet you'd pay attention to it. You'd likely run like hell. And the main question of mine still stands. Why would we do it?
Most of the testimonies from the 9/11 firemen were talking about the building itself collapsing, and the "boom boom boom" thing was just like the fireman i quoted said. It was from the building collapsing not explosions, he even said it on the video. And the thing about the passport got me. It's possible the government could have placed that evidence, but that does not mean they imploded the WTC. Much of the stuff they argue about the WTC collapsing is disproved by some of the links i've given, or is not mentioned at all in the video. I've already discussed my arguements aboved to disprove what you've said. I don't think i left anything out. And nowhere in the video did i see something about a missile striking it BEFORE the plane hit. I saw pictures of explosions before it COLLAPSED but not before it hit. Could yeh tell me what time it's at? The structured steel was not melted god i have never said it was please stop putting words into my mouth about it. I said it was weakened enough to buckle wich was proven. PLEASE GET IT STRAIGHT that it DID NOT FREAKING MELT. And why didnt anybody notice the bombs AFTER they were done working on the building? This argument will never end. And i have final exams tomorow. So i'm just going to leave it at this untill somebody can come up with some hard evidence. Not just some evidence that is unexplained. I want something that IS explained. You cant base facts off unexplained things. Just because the buildings collapsed unexplained like a "demolition" DOES NOT make it a demolition.

Why would they do it? Ever heard of the burning of the reichstag? Ever read 1984? Ever heard of perpetual warfare? To have true power over the people you must take away their rights, right? So in order to have a reason to take away their rights, you need something that can hurt national security. Still with me? For that you need a war, a perpetual war at best (its a contiuous war that will never stop. Even many politicians have said this is an endless war. You cannot defeat terrorism) Through perpetual warfare you can surpress the peoples rights for the good of the state, as Hitler did. In order to obtain that war, you need a national tragedy pointed in one direction. You destroy a national monument, say its the terrorists, and boom, got yourself a perpetual war on terror. Now you pass a bill allowing you to DECLARE someone a terrorist, arrest them without warrents, spy on them without warrents, and hold them for months at a time without a reason. So now you have yourself a war, your surpressing the civilians rights in the name of national security. what do you do next? You militarize the state, you obtain CONSTANT survailence, we have chips that go in your fingers, fingerprints on your ID which can be scanned while in your pocket at anytime, bars on your money that can be scanned at any time, phone taps, email taps, computer tapping, and library book tapping. they can see what you take out at a PUBLIC library. Did you know that google actually tracks whatever sites you go to. Did you also know that the creator of google is a former member of the NSA? The google cookie lasts for something like 35 years. Who even has a computer that long? Remember though, that the book 1984 was only a prediction of an intelligent man who wrote it in 1949. He envisioned a nagative utopia where you are CONSTANTLY SURVAILIANCED! Sound familiar? Only differance is that they had two-way TV's in which they could see you through it and you could not turn it off, just dim it. Waittill those come about... then we're farked. Through continuous warfare, surpression of our most basic rights, the global elite assure their position at the top. Not passing the government along to their children, but their ideals to a group.

BTW, I'm just going to take arbs advice. The evidence is there, theres enough of it to be proved true, but its up to you to WANT to believe. You just don't want to believe, you don't want to believe you've been fooled all your life, that everything you've believed in was a lie. Freedom, liberty, equality. Capitalism is there to keep the rich, rich, and the poor, poor. Equality does not help the rich, it actually THREATENS their position. Thats why they are against Libertarian Socialism (anarchism). It creates a pure equal society. If they are equal to the common man, then whats the point to being rich? you won't be able to influence how the government works... We do not choose our leaders, they are chosen for us. Ever notice how the popular vote matters nothing to the actual vote? Its the representatives who vote for the president. Now what would happen if a little money could influence them? It is mankinds most basic flaw nowadays. Greed.

I think theres a bit of evidence for both arguements. Theres tons of stuff that contradict each other. It could go on forever. We just got different beliefs. I think if we wanted to do something like you said they would go about it a lot different, without killing that many people. But hey, thats just my opinion. And i'm too tired/need to study more to debate about this anymore. So yeah.

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Why isnt this in serious discussion? Bleh. I posted like a billion times and no post count

Hitler could of went about it differtently too, but guess what?He took the most direct and dramatic path. How do you get all this hate pointed in one general direction? Killing a bunch of people, blame it on usama, post it EVERYWHERE!!!! (TV, posters, web pages, news, etc.) then go to war.

Hitler, burned the reichstag, set up convicts dressed as polish army, killed them, told everyone on the radio they were being invaded, then proceeded to invade poland and france and so on.

My god, They must be using the help of aliens to carry out their plans!


In all honesty, dictatorship or not, Americans have a nasty habit of hating authority, we won't be able to take over the world, we don't have enough men! Ok lets set up a draft... If the entire country sees this as evil, no one will go to be drafted and will use force to stop themselfs from being drafted. We hate authority

Chris, yet again, your posts are useless to the entire discussion. For some reason, lately you use absurd comments to start off then make rediculous assumptions. Please end yourself. gg no rm. You too should watch the video in arbs post before you post again please. Thank you very much.

Because DTBK believes "this is not serious" as you can see.

You honestly believe Americans, steriotyped as rising against authority will really follow a leader they dislike? Look at the polls.

Hmmm why do they dislike him... AHH maybe because he spies on us, starts a perpetual war in Iraq, thinks he can defeat terrorism! Uses old christian fundamentalism to decide on topics such as abortion and gay rights and such.

'Nough said.

But you can't forget Euro, Chris doesn't believe in anything that goes against his pwecious wittle consorvatives

I don't think you understood my earlier post so here it is again.



So as you can see you just helped my arguement. I mean would you really follow a leader that does all that?

You see, americans these days are too ignorant to see what bush has done to us. He's using 9-11 just like hitler used the burning of the reichstag.
http://www.cnsnews.com//ViewNation.asp?Pag...T20040903a.html

He is surpressing civil rights and consolidate his power. This is a power grab. He's a lame duck president, and he knows it.

First Euro you lose my points by spelling Osama's name as Usama. If you had done any actually research on Osama Bin Laden of the Arab Emirates you would have learnt his real name. As for your bombs in the building, first off Cordite would not bring down that size of a building, not to mention cordite requires weeks worth of prepping due to all the drilling to actually bring down a building due to its low yield. The same is for TNT explosives. Also how would these firefighters know what Cordite smells like? Did you also know that at higher altitudes that steel has a lower melting point? 800 degrees Celius which is obtained by the fire, which was not oxygen deprived, would easily cause the steel to bend which would cause it to actually start to snap which would make really loud explosions. Yes Steel can snap with great enough forces exerting it while being weak. As for your Melted steel in the bottom did you ever think that there was also rebar which would easily melt at 800 degrees celius. The Flashes you see are indeed caused by the fire being pushed out from the burning fumes with in the central shaft, which another series of explosions were heard because the intial impact from the plane sent super heated air down the shafts which blew elevator doors off.


Do your research next time instead of relying on a theorist. The first step of coming into a debate is to believe everything is possible, which none of you are doing. So in fact you all lose, so have a nice day.



Edit: Also you said the building was made to be hit by a plane. Did you know it was only designed to be hit by a 747, not a 757 which is the bigger and meaner brother.

The ignorant in the country are the minority now. Polls, polls, polls. More then half the country hates Bush now.

Ok first off bringer, stfu. You have absolutely no clue obviously. It is ACTUALLY splled usama. As stated on the NSA website and as written in saudi arabia and such. We adopted the O so you lose points there. Maybe if you would do YOUR research and read and check the links in this discussion before butting your head in here you would know. They had weeks to do it! The twin towers main power was shut down so port authority could "install better connections to better the bandwidth" Wierd how it happens just before 9/11. Cordite on most of the floor CAN AND WILL bring down a building of that size. also the fire has been proven to be oxygen deprived. The smoke was black, there was no oxygen, its alrady been stated numerous times. More points lost. Maybe if you took the time to read its not steel ITS STRUCTURED STEEL which is different. Also no they were not air being pushed out because it as already stated a) would not have pushed pieces of the ROOF of the tower to be blown 70 meters outwards, and b) blow entire walls apart. Do YOUR research. As stated earlier, there was no black burned area in the lobby or soot on the ground therefore a fireball down the shaft is improbable. Watch the video, and do your research before you critisize. Also check the 911research links and the other links.

PWNT!

btw bringer... 747 or 757 the initial blast was the plane... the rest (according to the government) is the flames. They clearly state the intense flames brought it down, not the planes themselves! oooo truth hurts.

Also YOU LOSE, by coming into a debate without any knowledge of the subject, without researching what has been said and viewed (the vids) Obviously you did not watch the vids if you are still saying things already discussed.

Also I didn't clarify it all the way. The USA adopted O-sama, but in saudi arabia, his birth name and in the muslim world it is U-sama.

Prove to me it is Spelt Usama. What does soot have to do with super heated air being pushed down the central shaft at high speeds? As for the temperature. Structured Steel is malable at 800 degrees celsius. As for Black Smoke, can you point it out to me? I see alot of Whitish Smoke in all the videos. First off Cordite can barely bring down a 7 story building yet you want me to beleive that it can take down a 100+ story building. The snapping of the steel could send pieces of the roof up to 70 meters away o wait 70 meters is not that far at all. Think of Altitude. Did you know the top of the towers was not even with the bottom due to the curvator of the Earth. That could also explain how parts of the roof only ended up 70 meters way. As for the pushing outwards of the dust that is explained earlier. The pancaking of the floors sent the remaining burning fumes out the sides which is your flashes, and the super heat air pushes the dust out and shatters the windows. You then get the implosion look because the pancaking then sucks air in at the top. Think of a ship sinking. It pulls anything around it on the surface below with it but then eventually pops it back up if it is not pulled all the way in. So please stop attacking me. I have been civilized.


Edit: 757's carry more fuel and have more of a intial explosion.