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Staredit Network -> Concepts -> Whisper to Ban
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yoni45 on 2006-07-02 at 00:55:23
QUOTE(A_of_s_t @ Jul 1 2006, 10:48 PM)
Briliant system, well done.  If you could please PM me with how to do this ( with of course, retart readable ) that would be great.  I would really like to see any improvement on this ( though, I really see no room for it ).
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Aah, try reading through the EUD related threads, there's a few of them, and then run over this one... Feel free to ask questions, but running over everything would take some work... =/
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-07-02 at 00:56:44
yeah, ive looked through all of them, I get how to use most EUD triggers, but I dont get the damn text.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yoni45 on 2006-07-02 at 01:07:24
QUOTE(A_of_s_t @ Jul 1 2006, 10:56 PM)
yeah, ive looked through all of them, I get how to use most EUD triggers, but I dont get the damn text.
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Ah, ok, good.

Ok, basically, 1 EUD condition can be used to check 4 bytes that are next to each other in the SC memory.

These 4 bytes are 2 digit hexadecimal values.

In the case of text, each of these 2 digit values can hold a letter. The number in the value refers to the letter's ASCII code.

I'll use an example:

Deaths(P3, Exactly, 1869760060, 27716);

The deaths of unit #27716 for Player 3 can be used to test for the first 4 characters of one of the lines in SC.

1869760060 is the decimal value of the hexadecimal value of the ASCII equivelants of: "<Fro"

< = 3C
F = 46
r = 72
o = 6F

3C 46 72 6F

Since SC reads this stuff backwards, we get:

6F 72 46 3C

Punch that into the standard windows calculator under Scientific in Hex mode, and click Dec, and you get that:

6F 72 46 3C (in hex) = 1869760060 (in decimal)

You would need another condition to test for the next 4 letters. To test the next set of 4 bytes, simply add 1 to the player number, so to test for the next 4 bytes, you would use unit #27716 for P4. Once you get to 12 and need the next 4 bytes, increase the unit # by 1...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-07-02 at 01:14:47
how d I change characters to hex? I can change hex into number form though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yoni45 on 2006-07-02 at 01:36:02
QUOTE(A_of_s_t @ Jul 1 2006, 11:14 PM)
how d I change characters to hex?  I can change hex into number form though.
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you can find the ASCII code in the character map (among other ways)... Click Advanced, Character Set: Western, and when you hover over the various symbols, you get their hex ASCII code...

Or, go online, and get a ASCII map...

http://www.danshort.com/ASCIImap/

This one lists them in decimal format, so use windows calculator to convert to Hex...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by n0b0dy- on 2006-07-02 at 12:17:21
I think I know one of the problems with this ban system. You can't detect which player said or has the text, so everyone in said game or outside said game, can ban each other...Unless I didn't read something and you have a method to check for which player said or has the text. Otherwise this is a HUGE issue...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Sicarul on 2006-07-02 at 15:20:56
QUOTE(n0b0dy- @ Jul 2 2006, 01:16 PM)
I think I know one of the problems with this ban system. You can't detect which player said or has the text, so everyone in said game or outside said game, can ban each other...Unless I didn't read something and you have a method to check for which player said or has the text. Otherwise this is a HUGE issue...
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Actually it detects <from whoever>: ban

It reads from the start of the text, it won't read Sicarul: <from whoever>: ban as correct, neither will it read <from sicarul>: ban, but will if it's whoever.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Bright-Lights on 2006-07-05 at 11:38:23
I dont understand how it would work nor do I care. That is totally sweet. Just one question; how can I get you to tell me how to use it. tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lil-Inferno on 2006-07-06 at 19:11:00
This really isn't fair though, only you can use the technique of banning. Only you, the maker, is allowed to ban the player. Right?


Oh yeah, and, stop using my descriptions for topics. biggrin.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-07-06 at 19:21:13
why isn't it fair? he made the map, its essentially his property. also, he only made it usable for himself due to the nature of his map(a competition type) where, if given banning abilites, people would abuse it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Who-the-hell-ru on 2006-07-06 at 19:28:01
Fun fun. But, why ban like that if you can the old fasion way, the "in-your-face!" way? biggrin.gif

It's evil too, fitting for competitions like black hole d cool1.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-07-06 at 22:20:42
QUOTE(Who-the-hell-ru @ Jul 6 2006, 05:27 PM)
Fun fun. But, why ban like that if you can the old fasion way, the "in-your-face!" way?  biggrin.gif

It's evil too, fitting for competitions like black hole d  cool1.gif
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Because its cool to say, ban and they are defeated.

O, and Thanks Yoni!!! I made a test map and it was able to detect what I said ( in multiplayer by myself ). You rox my sox.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yoni45 on 2006-07-08 at 00:21:38
And, there's also the idea of it being limited to only be used by you, and noone else, so noone can abuse it; the idea that you can ban from outside the game; and the idea that you can ban regardless of what slot you join the game under, if the host himself is hacking, you can boot him too happy.gif

Ah, and good to hear that you got it working, well done smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Who-the-hell-ru on 2006-07-08 at 01:00:39
Therefore giving the bullsh*ters another way to piss off everyone else! helpsmilie.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by yoni45 on 2006-07-08 at 01:16:49
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ideal_Ideas on 2006-07-09 at 21:29:06
im srry if i seem stupid but what is a Eud?
where do i get them?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-07-10 at 19:43:02
Go here to find out how to use EUD Text:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/SCMSchool/index.php?showtopic=85

And here to get the required files for SF:

http://www.staredit.net/index.php?download=3751

O, and Yoni45, if I typed anything wrong, or I didn't explain something right in the EUD Text Topic, then please PM me in SCMS or SEN.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-07-10 at 21:26:50
Tutorial looks rather like this http://www.staredit.net/index.php?showtopi...ndpost&p=498985 tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-07-10 at 23:06:01
QUOTE(Who-the-hell-ru @ Jul 7 2006, 11:00 PM)
Therefore giving the bullsh*ters another way to piss off everyone else!  helpsmilie.gif
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this is so you can ban the bullcrapters... if a bullcrapter happened to make a map with this, just don't play it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PCFredZ on 2006-07-11 at 01:29:39
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? happy.gif (Google it)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-07-11 at 01:54:31
lmfao, bullcrapters, don't you love SEN's censors.

good point, but like i said, just don't play their map.

not everyone on Bnet is an A-hole(alot, but not everyone) and i doubt those who are are intelligent enough to understand this. those who are good at mapmaking are usually mature and wouldn't abuse something like this.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by A_of_s_t on 2006-07-14 at 19:14:23
QUOTE(PCFredZ @ Jul 10 2006, 11:29 PM)
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? happy.gif (Google it)
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Who's gaurding the gaurders? (Or something like that)

If some bull----er did put this in the a contest type map, o well, just forget about the map.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-07-14 at 20:27:52
Any luck on this?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-07-15 at 11:30:36
QUOTE(A_of_s_t @ Jul 14 2006, 05:14 PM)
Who's gaurding the gaurders?  (Or something like that)

If some bull----er did put this in the a contest type map, o well, just forget about the map.
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i got who's watching the watchers

QUOTE(Echo @ Jul 14 2006, 06:27 PM)
Any luck on this?
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it already works
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-07-15 at 13:49:52
QUOTE(yoni45 @ Jun 24 2006, 12:35 AM)
C. As a matter of fact, you don't even have to be in the game. Just today, friend of mine was hosting my map, and some guy was hacking. Whispers me as to how to ban him. I ask him for the guy's nickname, and poof, he's gone, meanwhile, I'm in a completely different game...
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So it is actually possible to sit in one game where you have implemented those EUD's and then you simple write to a friend who's in another game and make him getting defeated? That would actually screw true competitions so hard. Is it working from UMS to UMS or from what different kinds of games? If it worked from UMS to Melee, imagine the disaster.
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