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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-25 at 19:45:00
This is what I mean, Rantent has almost the most power you can get on SEN and only has 555 posts, I believe that he may have lost some posts but I dont see his posts a lot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-10-25 at 20:19:44
He used to have over 2000 I think.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-10-25 at 20:36:17
I posted in DT's system, so I might as well do it here. My reasons for posting, in order:

1. Answer problems that people have, pose my own, or announce something I am doing. That should be a very important(if not the most important. I could go on for paragraphs why... smile.gif Mainly, post counts are just numbers. It's not how many you have. I'll include my shortened version of posting rules for you.
QUOTE(DoA's shortened and condensed posting guidelines)
 
  Main Rules
    --See normal forum rules.  Go 1 step more.  Example:  See SEN's rule number 5.  I go even more, attempting to always have a complete sentence with proper punctuation.  I may not do that every time, but I try.  Whitespace is good.  Seperate things up.
  Rules for Asking for Help
    a.  Explain the problem completely.
    b.  Provide as much as you can for others to look at.
    c.  Don't lie about what you want.
  Rules for Giving Help
    a.  Explain as much at you can/time allows.
    b.  If a tutorial can help, link it.
    c.  Don't insult the person you are helping.
    d.  Don't repost an answer unless it isn't complete.
  Rules for Announcing Things
    a.  Clarity is important(notice a theme here...)
    b.  Explain why the reader should care
    c.  Don't skimp on details. 
    d.  Be honest.  Don't say you can do more than you can.
    e.  Visuals are good. smile.gif

For the most part, I follow those. Now, I'm sure any one of you can come up with cases where none of these apply. I'm not being comprehensive, so that's ok. I'm just giving a general idea. You could probably find something of mine that seems to refute these too. But that's the odd post out. Generally, I'm here to help and get help.

2. I will admit, for some time, I did scramble up posts in an attempt to reach Regular status. This was for 3 reasons. One, the space is just too good at times. smile.gif Two, I wanted to be regular before I'd been at SEN for a year. Third, a green name is cool. Plus, I think an unintentional side effect of the green name means that when you have good posts, you get even more credibility. Of course, that is if your posts are good to begin with. Still, I didn't break my first reason. I just happened to be more 'active' for a while.

3. The minerals. I have fun with this one. I don't know why I want them, but I just do. I have some tricks to get the most out of any post when I want to...(shhh...don't spoil it...). However, I don't sacrifice post quality to earn them. Nor do I make excessive posts.

4. To be noticed. Yeah, I want to be noticed by you people. I have things to say, help to give, opinions to voice, and help to ask. I'm not afraid to disagree, but I don't want to alienate anyone. And this does not mean by staff. Besides, I think I silently disagree too much with some of the staff to want to be noticed by them.

One last reason that is just there, meaning I don't rank it, is that I like being here.

That answers that. Now, to answer the staff<->elite thing. I believe that post count has never been an important thing in being hired. If I had to take a guess, they are hired on quality and maturity(I might be a bit wrong here, but I ask myself this: would I want a person who act immature as part of staff? I bet the admins ask themselves that when hiring...). Until this, I didn't ever really look at how many posts the staff had. Obviously, posts don't really matter. It's the person behind them, not the number itself.

I should explain a bit more about how I feel towards status. First of all, I have mixed feelings about rewards for status. Mainly, when I didn't have them, I wanted them and dislike that I had to, in my views, overly work for them. I felt that I had just as much quality as anyone else and should be given rewards for that. I don't think I was right. I've seen some people who I think deserve the prestige of regular even though they aren't, and some I don't know if they should have any elevated status. When I first stared out, I don't think I needed what I wanted.

Status is, in itself, a way of breaking the members apart. Sure, the staff is already separated, but the bulk of SEN aren't. My main pro-status argument is for knowing who to listen to more. I again pose this scenario: I put up a question and am given two equal quality but distinctly different answers. Who do I trust? Even if other members say one will work better, do I trust them? A status rating can help solve this problem. Given a theoretical 5 tiered rating system, I would trust all answers on any level above 2. If both posters had the same rating, I would choose which one I wanted. If one was rated on tier 3 and one on tier 4 or 5, I would listen to the higher one. I am assuming that a quality poster would have achieved a high rating before the question, removing the lower 1,2 cases. This is just a simple case of how I respond to status.

I'll stop now before this becomes any longer, even though I have more to say. I'll post that as it becomes relevant.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Golden-Fist on 2006-10-25 at 20:40:45
That happened 11 paragraphs ago.

Ok seriously, Staredit is blocked from my firefox.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Centreri on 2006-10-25 at 21:00:10
A person gets a high position on SEN on their respectability, which is largely earned through time and posts on SEN. Valug is respectable in the Melee Forum, which I think doesn't count toward cumulative posts. It's not that posts make you a liable candidate for high position, its being mature and respectable, which can become a side-effect of posting a lot.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-25 at 21:06:44
QUOTE(Mp)7-7 @ Oct 25 2006, 04:20 PM)
I know its not a big deal but I just had to bring this fact to my side of this.

This is regardless of how many posts they lost, I know many people lost elite status posts.  But here it is.

Valug (DLDB Keeper) 228 = Member
O)FaRTy1billion (DLDB Keeper) 377 = Regular
Rantent (Global Moderator) 555 = Regular
Kenoli (Tutorial Keeper) 710 = Regular
Voyager7456(MM) (DLDB Keeper) 750 = Regular
Revelade (Moderator) 814 = Regular
CaptainWill (Global Moderator) 839 = Regular
Doodan (Moderator) 883 = Regular
IsolatedPurity (Administrator) 969 = Regular
Moogle (Moderator) 988 = Regular
Yenku (1056) = Regular
Syphon(MM) (1058) = Regular
DEAD (1150) = Regular
Merell (1400) = Regular
CheeZe (1405) = Regular
TuxedoTemplar (1466) = Regular

Staff under Elite status = 16
Staff over Elite status = 5
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Okay I get it, you want to drive this in deeper. So what? Why is it so wrong of me to think that the only place to go from here is up? The key word was "optimism," y'know.

My point was that from my past experiences, people who have been here longer and have tons of posts (in this case this idea is embodied by the Elite status) are chosen as Moderators. Back then, we had a very limited amount of Moderators (which is before your time here, 7-7). So excuse me if I base my generalization on what I remember from before we had over 20 Mods (supposing you count DLDB and Tutorial Keepers as Mods as well).

I still can't believe you took one minor detail from a post about an optimistic outlook after reaching the Elite status, just to attempt to prove me wrong. Is this stemming from unchecked aggression due to the fact that you lost so many posts after the hacking attack and you could be an Elite by now?

How about we just end this now, or at least take it to PMs. Its getting off-topic at this point.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-25 at 21:24:27
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Oct 26 2006, 12:35 AM)

4.  To be noticed.  Yeah, I want to be noticed by you people.  I have things to say, help to give, opinions to voice, and help to ask.  I'm not afraid to disagree, but I don't want to alienate anyone.  And this does not mean by staff.  Besides, I think I silently disagree too much with some of the staff to want to be noticed by them.

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Let's just cut out that whole paragraph and keep that bolded and I'd say that almost 60-70% of sen feels that way. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-25 at 21:56:55
Yes, I agree, I think that everyone comes here to put in there 10 cents, some decide to give more, and some less but I am woking my way to a couple dollars!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MindArchon on 2006-10-25 at 22:13:06
Membergroup advancements are completely useless. Maybe it's because I have already experienced the staff member perks, but I honestly feel they are useless.

First, what do they accomplish? More PM space, post moderation abilities.. but do you really need those perks if you delete your PMs and think before you post? Does it raise your image in the community? Perhaps.

The fact is, I almost never even look at the post count of myself or anyone else. All your post count reflects is how much you like to blab. I judge somebody by what's in their post, nothing more.

I only post when something interesting catches my eye, and I feel I have something to mention. Not to simply raise my post amount. Hence my relatively low post count for the amount of time I have been a member.

It is true however that you become more noticable with the more you post. So it may increase your chance of hitting a staff position, but I feel that should not be a priority of people at SEN. We are here to chat about everybodies favourite game.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-25 at 23:23:01
Well, it is logically fitting that you should be posting in a forum that you moderate. However, I would investigate this by reading the forum and looking at your posts, not looking at your post count and thinking "Wow, this guy posts a lot!".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-10-26 at 00:12:16
QUOTE(Cloud @ Oct 25 2006, 07:24 PM)
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun)
4.  To be noticed.  Yeah, I want to be noticed by you people.  I have things to say, help to give, opinions to voice, and help to ask.  I'm not afraid to disagree, but I don't want to alienate anyone.  And this does not mean by staff.  Besides, I think I silently disagree too much with some of the staff to want to be noticed by them.

Let's just cut out that whole paragraph and keep that bolded and I'd say that almost 60-70% of sen feels that way. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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I don't doubt that, but that's not the point. I purposely didn't say who and why for that reason. The main thing I was trying to get across was about the reputation good posts can get.

QUOTE(MindArchon @ Oct 25 2006, 08:12 PM)

First, what do they accomplish? More PM space, post moderation abilities.. but do you really need those perks if you delete your PMs and think before you post? Does it raise your image in the community? Perhaps.
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You forgot about the most important perk - larger upload space. That's the real thing I use more. Even though I still have some times I have to externally host, I like the space. Also, there have been times that I've needed those post abilities, even if my original post was well thought out. Until I needed them, they seemed pointless. When I used them, I was glad I had them.

QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707)
Well, it is logically fitting that you should be posting in a forum that you moderate. However, I would investigate this by reading the forum and looking at your posts, not looking at your post count and thinking "Wow, this guy posts a lot!".


Does that apply to current moderators of forums? Or is it just when potentially finding a new forum moderator? Either way, I expected you to not even care about post counts. Looks like I was right. smile.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-26 at 14:45:07
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Oct 26 2006, 12:11 AM)
Does that apply to current moderators of forums?  Or is it just when potentially finding a new forum moderator?  Either way, I expected you to not even care about post counts.  Looks like I was right. smile.gif

For finding mods for unmoderated forums, I tend to weigh how much they post in that forum as more important. There are cases where existing moderators will tell me that they always read forum X but not post there, in which case I might give them a spot there. Someone who displays a lot of mapping knowledge but doesn't necessarily post in those forums might get a mod spot there. It really depends on SEN's needs at the time.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-26 at 15:29:13
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Oct 26 2006, 03:23 AM)
Well, it is logically fitting that you should be posting in a forum that you moderate. However, I would investigate this by reading the forum and looking at your posts, not looking at your post count and thinking "Wow, this guy posts a lot!".
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How did Syphon get a moderating position in the Games forum then, he never posted in it until he started modderating it and when he did he started off by spamming like 2 or 3 topics.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-10-26 at 15:52:11
QUOTE(Mini Moose 2707 @ Oct 26 2006, 02:44 PM)
It really depends on SEN's needs at the time.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-26 at 16:05:40
Golden-Fist was a much better candidate for the games forums. How did Syphon fit the job?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by EcHo on 2006-10-26 at 16:31:56
It motivates me but not to the extreme. I really want to get to the Elite status :0
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Knx. on 2006-10-26 at 16:52:33
0%

Minerals motivated me when I wanted to change the name, now IDC for it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-26 at 17:46:38
Umm, so many people are talking about how minerals dont motivate you. At least every person is here for one reason or another, probably everyone is here to post for the sake of communicating, others for post count, and some for minerals. I post for the sake of posting, minerals and post count. WHy doesnt everyone just keep it cool, the minerals are there for the people that like minerals, post count is there for the people that like post numbers, deal with it!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-26 at 18:33:10
I get the feeling a comprable share of the 8 people in the first poll category lied.

People like to pretend that status advancement has no sway over them, but it usually does tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-26 at 20:48:24
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 26 2006, 03:32 PM)
I get the feeling a comprable share of the 8 people in the first poll category lied.

People like to pretend that status advancement has no sway over them, but it usually does tongue.gif

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That's why I chuckle to myself when I read the "I just post to help people" type of responses. Of course there may be some noble souls out there who are that selfless and don't give a damn about status, but most of us would love to be known. And unless you really feel you're inadequate in a leadership role, who can honestly say they wouldn't want to work their way up to a Moderator spot? Its all about climbing the ladder.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-10-26 at 21:12:46
Totally. DoA and MindArchon are about the only people I can seriously believe when they say they don't care about status, and even DoA says that he slightly cares.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Cloud on 2006-10-26 at 22:28:16
I'd rather be a regular member for the sole reason of being able to act immature (most of the time) and to be "an mean person" the rest of the time(not so much..I think?)

But if I were offered the chance at a modding position, I wouldnt say no. It would just mean that I have responsibility and I'd have to drop the immaturity act. Personally eather way suits me just fine and I'm happy where I am.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-26 at 22:37:47
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Oct 26 2006, 09:12 PM)
Totally.  DoA and MindArchon are about the only people I can seriously believe when they say they don't care about status, and even DoA says that he slightly cares.
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I dont say that I dont care, I say the I care a little bit, if the post count was not there I would still post. But it is a good incentive to me for getting more posts. But they arent the world to me.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DevliN on 2006-10-26 at 22:53:59
I believe he's talking about status, not post count. We're saying everyone cares about status regardless of how you obtain it. Yes, in this case you reach it through posts. But ts that status that drives people.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mp)7-7 on 2006-10-26 at 23:04:33
what do you mean status, like the amount of people look up to you and view you, like a popularity contest? status can be thought of in many different situations.
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