Report, edit, etc...Posted by TERRAINFIGHTER on 2006-07-18 at 12:54:23
the splash screen looks awsome, but it appears that he's advertising his own mod in it 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ermac on 2006-07-18 at 13:09:42
QUOTE(TERRAINFIGHTER @ Jul 18 2006, 07:54 PM)
the splash screen looks awsome, but it appears that he's advertising his own mod in it
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I thought ppl will say that :/
But i used more than just my mod in it, and i asked BK for a permission to use my mod's media.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Voyager7456(MM) on 2006-07-18 at 13:11:32
QUOTE(TERRAINFIGHTER @ Jul 18 2006, 12:54 PM)
the splash screen looks awsome, but it appears that he's advertising his own mod in it
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And mine.
@DoA: Editing damage percentages = awesome!
@BroodKiller: Thanks for the 1.1 release!
By the way Mealstorm Hit (ID 364) is actually the Stasis Hit. (They use the same iscript, just different palettes.)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SuperToast on 2006-07-18 at 13:29:11
Awesome, thank you very much!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nirvanajung on 2006-07-18 at 13:45:29
good job BK~! now, DatEdit is easywork tools
it's pretty updates good new features which stuff active in all sorts of affairs
it's pretty updates good new features which stuff active in all sorts of affairs
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TERRAINFIGHTER on 2006-07-18 at 14:22:08
I just found another small bug, in orders.dat it has a uggly line running through it like in units.dat
it's nice to see we finally got some information down on portdata.dat, other than the ID # thing
it's nice to see we finally got some information down on portdata.dat, other than the ID # thing
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nirvanajung on 2006-07-18 at 23:06:45
QUOTE(Ermac @ Jul 18 2006, 11:09 AM)
I thought ppl will say that :/
But i used more than just my mod in it, and i asked BK for a permission to use my mod's media.
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But i used more than just my mod in it, and i asked BK for a permission to use my mod's media.
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when i saw Slash image in DatEdit that was preety good for simbol of DatEdit
that image which pictures makes understand what is possible for modding
when if use Datedit and other moddingtools
if someone who has starter in SC Modding if he see that Splash when first use
Datedit, he'd get desire to make as like emac's mod screen
in my oppinon, mod pictures which used mod screenshots, that would be better
than orginal unit pictures
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TERRAINFIGHTER on 2006-07-18 at 23:13:39
One thing that could make the splash screen even better, is if a good screenshot from nirvana's mod was mixed into it 
very good job on the new version, here's how I'd rate the program now
very good job on the new version, here's how I'd rate the program now
QUOTE(ratings)
running/loading speed - 10/10
usefullness value - 10/10
DAT editing bug-free - 10/10
Small editor bugs-free - 9/10 (needs those small lines removed )
basic program user friendliness - 10/10
program tool's user friendliness - 7/10
unknowns solved in DAT files - 9/10 (we still havn't solved enough for full-modding)
starting splash screen - 8/10 (needs more mod pictures mixed in, otherwise is perfect)
ability to crash the program without Alt+F4 - 0/10 (I couldn't do it!
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usefullness value - 10/10
DAT editing bug-free - 10/10
Small editor bugs-free - 9/10 (needs those small lines removed
)basic program user friendliness - 10/10
program tool's user friendliness - 7/10
unknowns solved in DAT files - 9/10 (we still havn't solved enough for full-modding)
starting splash screen - 8/10 (needs more mod pictures mixed in, otherwise is perfect)
ability to crash the program without Alt+F4 - 0/10 (I couldn't do it!
)Report, edit, etc...Posted by BroodKiller on 2006-07-19 at 13:29:29
QUOTE(TERRAINFIGHTER @ Jul 18 2006, 05:08 PM)
a few things I noticed:
there's no re-open DAT directory function
there's no re-open DAT directory function
What do you mean? Like a history list for the "Load Directory" function?
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units.dat's basic tab has a small line in it that does nothing, except make it look uggly 
QUOTE(TERRAINFIGHTER @ Jul 18 2006, 08:21 PM)
I just found another small bug, in orders.dat it has a uggly line running through it like in units.dat
Heh, I thought someone may complain about it...I added them just to fill the empty space, y'know. Whatever...
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also, I think I might have figured out what some unknowns in sounds.dat are for,
I think unknown 1 is sound level, and unknown 2 is sound priority, but I can't test either of these so can someone else do it?
I think unknown 1 is sound level, and unknown 2 is sound priority, but I can't test either of these so can someone else do it?
What do you mean by "level" and "priority"? Explain please...
QUOTE(Lord_Agamemnon @ Jul 18 2006, 06:15 PM)
Can we get that Sub. Spines label update in the next release?
Sure thing
It would make it to the current one but I read your post AFTER uploading the new version and I was to lazy to re-upload it. But I'll certainly put it into v1.2, no doubt about that.QUOTE(Voyager7456(MM) @ Jul 18 2006, 07:11 PM)
By the way Mealstorm Hit (ID 364) is actually the Stasis Hit. (They use the same iscript, just different palettes.)
You the sprites.dat entry? Will look into that...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ermac on 2006-07-19 at 13:58:03
What ugly line are you all talking about, how come i can't find it
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TERRAINFIGHTER on 2006-07-19 at 14:18:59
QUOTE(BroodKiller @ Jul 19 2006, 12:29 PM)
What do you mean? Like a history list for the "Load Directory" function?
Heh, I thought someone may complain about it...I added them just to fill the empty space, y'know. Whatever...
What do you mean by "level" and "priority"? Explain please...
Sure thing It would make it to the current one but I read your post AFTER uploading the new version and I was to lazy to re-upload it. But I'll certainly put it into v1.2, no doubt about that.
You the sprites.dat entry? Will look into that...
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Heh, I thought someone may complain about it...I added them just to fill the empty space, y'know. Whatever...
What do you mean by "level" and "priority"? Explain please...
Sure thing
It would make it to the current one but I read your post AFTER uploading the new version and I was to lazy to re-upload it. But I'll certainly put it into v1.2, no doubt about that.You the sprites.dat entry? Will look into that...
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1. yes, I mean the load directory
2. level is how loud to make the noise, and priority is how importaint starcraft thinks the file is,
the higher the priority the more likely it is to play that sound when it has to stop some sounds due to a memory overload
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheNomad on 2006-07-19 at 16:00:08
QUOTE(TERRAINFIGHTER @ Jul 11 2006, 04:27 PM)
Nice to see an update on this, but I think researching into the leftover unknowns is alot more important than extra features...
I might have found some out but I didn't test them. Would you be willing to do some homework for me ? (BK said he'll include them only after I get confirmation I'm right, which I might not be, but you never know
).@ BK: gj on 1.1
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TERRAINFIGHTER on 2006-07-19 at 16:11:58
I'd be happy to test them when I can, but I only have access to starcraft about once every week or two
untill then, I can test the information by looking into the .dat files for any sorts of problems.
don't worry about not being right, I've posted plenty of unknowns I've 'thought' I solved, only to find a flaw in them
untill then, I can test the information by looking into the .dat files for any sorts of problems.
don't worry about not being right, I've posted plenty of unknowns I've 'thought' I solved, only to find a flaw in them
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kookster on 2006-07-19 at 17:33:38
I dont suppose you could make the MPQ load and export map friendly, IE SCMLoader can play maps with dats save in them.
So if the dats are in the map it would be a whole lot easier to load and save directly to the map.
I dont work much with MPQ's i do direct map altering since SCMLoader ever came out
(Addition)
Im willing to do research just name the ones your looking at
Ive been researching AI Internal in the TAB AI Actions
So if the dats are in the map it would be a whole lot easier to load and save directly to the map.
I dont work much with MPQ's i do direct map altering since SCMLoader ever came out
(Addition)
Im willing to do research just name the ones your looking at
Ive been researching AI Internal in the TAB AI Actions
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-07-19 at 17:49:30
I gave BK exe confirmation on the two flags in the StarEdit subgroup of Units.dat... however, the one labeled 'floats?' is too unpredictable.
AI Internal isn't going to be explained easily, man, but have a go at it... It's a pair of flags(0x01, 0x02) that are always together when selected. I might need to re-look in the exe at what they do though....
Oh, BK, I found 2 things wrong.
1. After loading an MPQ, it gives a Access Violation. I believe I had on one of the advanced views.
2. the back reports still is enabled even if the tab isn't supposed to be there. example, load an mpq with images, then backtrack to sprites. or from weapons to orders.
AI Internal isn't going to be explained easily, man, but have a go at it... It's a pair of flags(0x01, 0x02) that are always together when selected. I might need to re-look in the exe at what they do though....
Oh, BK, I found 2 things wrong.
1. After loading an MPQ, it gives a Access Violation. I believe I had on one of the advanced views.
2. the back reports still is enabled even if the tab isn't supposed to be there. example, load an mpq with images, then backtrack to sprites. or from weapons to orders.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheNomad on 2006-07-19 at 18:18:43
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Jul 20 2006, 12:49 AM)
I gave BK exe confirmation on the two flags in the StarEdit subgroup of Units.dat... however, the one labeled 'floats?' is too unpredictable.
On Topic: Are you referring to Trigerrable and Loc Triggerable ?
Off Topic: did you get a chance to try that proggy I PMed you ?
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@ BK: Regarding Units->Advanced->Unused(?)
Why is that checkbox there as it doesn't seem used by anything. Unless there is an exe reference to it, that is
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Ihjel on 2006-07-19 at 19:54:26
QUOTE(TheNomad @ Jul 19 2006, 11:18 PM)
@ BK: Regarding Units->Advanced->Unused(?)
Why is that checkbox there as it doesn't seem used by anything. Unless there is an exe reference to it, that is
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why not? the program can edit all aspects of the file why miss something out?.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by lil-Inferno on 2006-07-19 at 20:13:19
How does he do it!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheNomad on 2006-07-20 at 04:22:15
QUOTE(Azg3r @ Jul 20 2006, 02:54 AM)
why not? the program can edit all aspects of the file why miss something out?.
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Well I talked with DoA about using such flags for "individualization" and he said that the EXE wouldn't recognize it anyway (confirmed by U-238). Unless you hardcode the EXE and use this flag for ... something I guess
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Pyro-Fire on 2006-07-20 at 04:43:43
i know you said not to, but you should make datedit to make its own bookmark folders ect ect just an idea and... yeh
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BroodKiller on 2006-07-20 at 05:15:15
QUOTE(DiscipleOfAdun @ Jul 19 2006, 11:49 PM)
Oh, BK, I found 2 things wrong.
1. After loading an MPQ, it gives a Access Violation. I believe I had on one of the advanced views.
2. the back reports still is enabled even if the tab isn't supposed to be there. example, load an mpq with images, then backtrack to sprites. or from weapons to orders.
1. After loading an MPQ, it gives a Access Violation. I believe I had on one of the advanced views.
2. the back reports still is enabled even if the tab isn't supposed to be there. example, load an mpq with images, then backtrack to sprites. or from weapons to orders.
Ouch! I'll fix it right away.
@1:Are you sure you used the "official" build, not the one I sent you previously?
QUOTE(TheNomad @ Jul 20 2006, 12:18 AM)
@ BK: Regarding Units->Advanced->Unused(?)
Why is that checkbox there as it doesn't seem used by anything. Unless there is an exe reference to it, that is
Why is that checkbox there as it doesn't seem used by anything. Unless there is an exe reference to it, that is
Azg3r is correct. DatEdit is supposed to give you a full format editing capability, regardless of what does this particular format actually mean. If DatEd would be to turn into an all-in-one-SC-modding-studio, then it may be right to "customize" the available properties, but so far DatEd's purpose is different than this. DatEd gives you editing capabilities - the rest is yours to decide.
QUOTE(Pyro-Fire @ Jul 20 2006, 10:43 AM)
i know you said not to, but you should make datedit to make its own bookmark folders ect ect just an idea and... yeh
Hmm...but again, such a custom folder would be preserved over sessions so you'd have to clean it each time you start a new mod, or maybe create a new one...? Hmm...gotta think of it...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheNomad on 2006-07-20 at 06:08:00
QUOTE(BroodKiller @ Jul 20 2006, 12:14 PM)
Azg3r is correct. DatEdit is supposed to give you a full format editing capability, regardless of what does this particular format actually mean. If DatEd would be to turn into an all-in-one-SC-modding-studio, then it may be right to "customize" the available properties, but so far DatEd's purpose is different than this. DatEd gives you editing capabilities - the rest is yours to decide.[right][snapback]527359[/snapback][/right]
Ah so if I got it right, for short, you're saying even IF a byte isn't really referenced, but it is there, you still give me the option to tinker with it, just for fun, right ? Well if I got it right, then the better. I am not against offering FULL SUPPORT to manipualting it. It's just that the Unused checkboxes make me think of Unknowns
(damn psychological impact).@ BK again: Why do movement flags have the codes instead of their names like they did in 1.0 ?
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Semi-On-Topic:
I might have found out some Unknowns, and because I am getting busy again sorting some personal stuff (bleh, always when I don't need it) and because I am partly lazy to squeeze DatEd in my schedule, is anyone interested in testing some of my possibly crazy theories ? I might have found around ... 10 or so Unknowns. If anyone is interested in wasting time, PM me.
The more certain stuff we have in DatEd, the more fun it will be to use it (plus that way I can harass BK and he can't say NO
)Report, edit, etc...Posted by BroodKiller on 2006-07-20 at 08:20:25
#####DATEDIT V1.1b UPDATE#####
Yeah, well, I just made it. Have fun
Fixes/changes:
-the "Sub.Spines (Burst)" behaviour is now called "Go to Max. Range"
-the wrongly labeled Stasis Field entries are now labeled properly
-restricted the jumping ability if an editor is now available (in the "Protected" mode).
(Hokay, this is just a quick fix,just to remedy the problem without really fixing it. DatEd will still check the backward-reference, but it will not let you jump to a disabled/hidden editor. I'll come up with something better for the next release probably)
-added History-list support for "Load Directory" (TF, we happy?)
Program: here
Source: here
TheNomad>Yup, you got it right.
Yeah, well, I just made it. Have fun
Fixes/changes:
-the "Sub.Spines (Burst)" behaviour is now called "Go to Max. Range"
-the wrongly labeled Stasis Field entries are now labeled properly
-restricted the jumping ability if an editor is now available (in the "Protected" mode).
(Hokay, this is just a quick fix,just to remedy the problem without really fixing it. DatEd will still check the backward-reference, but it will not let you jump to a disabled/hidden editor. I'll come up with something better for the next release probably)
-added History-list support for "Load Directory" (TF, we happy?
)Program: here
Source: here
TheNomad>Yup, you got it right.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DiscipleOfAdun on 2006-07-20 at 08:53:50
QUOTE(TheNomad @ Jul 19 2006, 04:18 PM)
On Topic: Are you referring to Trigerrable and Loc Triggerable ?
Off Topic: did you get a chance to try that proggy I PMed you ?
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Off Topic: did you get a chance to try that proggy I PMed you ?
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Yes, I just PM'd him with them again. BK, be sure to give TheNomad credit for finding these, I just doublechecked them in the exe.
QUOTE(BroodKiller @ Jul 20 2006, 03:14 AM)
Ouch! I'll fix it right away.
@1:Are you sure you used the "official" build, not the one I sent you previously?
Yes. It happens in 1.1b too...see attached screen... @1:Are you sure you used the "official" build, not the one I sent you previously?
QUOTE(TheNomad @ Jul 20 2006, 04:07 AM)
Ah so if I got it right, for short, you're saying even IF a byte isn't really referenced, but it is there, you still give me the option to tinker with it, just for fun, right ? Well if I got it right, then the better. I am not against offering FULL SUPPORT to manipualting it. It's just that the Unused checkboxes make me think of Unknowns (damn psychological impact).
@ BK again: Why do movement flags have the codes instead of their names like they did in 1.0 ?
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Semi-On-Topic:
I might have found out some Unknowns, and because I am getting busy again sorting some personal stuff (bleh, always when I don't need it) and because I am partly lazy to squeeze DatEd in my schedule, is anyone interested in testing some of my possibly crazy theories ? I might have found around ... 10 or so Unknowns. If anyone is interested in wasting time, PM me.
The more certain stuff we have in DatEd, the more fun it will be to use it (plus that way I can harass BK and he can't say NO)
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(damn psychological impact).@ BK again: Why do movement flags have the codes instead of their names like they did in 1.0 ?
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Semi-On-Topic:
I might have found out some Unknowns, and because I am getting busy again sorting some personal stuff (bleh, always when I don't need it) and because I am partly lazy to squeeze DatEd in my schedule, is anyone interested in testing some of my possibly crazy theories ? I might have found around ... 10 or so Unknowns. If anyone is interested in wasting time, PM me.
The more certain stuff we have in DatEd, the more fun it will be to use it (plus that way I can harass BK and he can't say NO
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Because I found out that the movement flags mean sqaut almost. Only two of them are worth anything, 0x1(ground) is used by staredit to allow non-flyers to be placed. And mine-safe you know.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by BroodKiller on 2006-07-20 at 09:13:53
Strange...works fine for me. Anyone has also encountered this error?
This probably means that the file is being accessed by some other application, but it may also mean that DatEd has problems with allocating a file buffer...tested on other MPQs as well?
This probably means that the file is being accessed by some other application, but it may also mean that DatEd has problems with allocating a file buffer...tested on other MPQs as well?