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If this isn't a discussion of morality, what is it a discussion about?


Sure they are.


And to remove stacked text is titles is a real reason? Ruin it for the rest 99%? What about you give us real reasons that support giving unprotection to anyone who wants it?

Preventing stealing and rigging aren't valid answers because you have the choice to not play them and delete those maps if you recieve them. If you accidently join one, leave. Play the "good" version with your friends and ignore what strangers like.

And.. if no one hosts teh good versions? How would you know what version it is until the game's started? What about the very fact that people messed up your map and are spreading it? I bet that would bother most people.

Well even though I have dozens of versions of Tarpid D, I have to DL it AGAIN every 3rd time I play. And every 2nd time I play the map is rigged. SOOO FUN...

Well, then that means the 'good version' was probably terrible, and now people only play the vamped versions because they're a lot more fun. The map creater is just too dense to realise there were problems in his map (on blizzard's graphics, game engine, meticulously debugged software etc.). Not to mention, if you don't want to join rigged games, you can always make your own (baring you've set up your router properly).

Anyone remember maps 7 years ago? Weren't they always so much fun? Guess what didn't exist then.

By allowing edits to maps, you have more variety, more fun and more maps. Even though theres some bad versions, theres some REALLY good ones too, like special forces and whatnot. No one would be hosting them if they weren't fun for them.

What you're additionally all talking about is what in the worst case scenario some random mapper might do. We're talking mapping community wise here. I don't like rigging maps, I like making them better. Why shouldn't someone like me be able to open your map and edit it?

I'm sure if Blizzard had all of your kind of thinking, Starcraft wouldn't even have map making capabilities because they'd say the same things you are "omg too many versions of maps" "omg map stealing" "omg rigged maps". They put that kind of stuff aside and said, "hey, although a bit of bad can come from this, so can a lot of good. Lets ALLOW people to edit our game to what THEY find to be the most fun.". They weren't thinking about how morally correct it is to allow people to edit their game, they were thinking about whats the most fun.

If you're so good at making maps "better" why don't you make your own maps?

...because it takes less time to make more fun maps? Remaking someones map from scratch is utterly pointless when it only needs a few adjustments? We do make our own maps, we just like to see other's as well?

That isnt for you to decide, its for the maker to decide.

So your theory is to stop producing new and fun maps, but just edit existing ones because you're too damn lazy to make something yourself? Thats stupid, to say the less.

Or because the rigged version has a slot for the host so that he has infinite of everything.

Who said people would stop making fun and new maps, Gigins? Adjusting and editing other peoples maps might make people want to play it again, if it is outdated or something with wrong with the map.

You don't need to unprotect a map to make crapty rigged map. No one does that, it's not fun.


People are capable of doing both. =/ That's not my theory at all, read more carefully. I've created plenty of maps.


I take that as a flame btw. If it's so manly to do more work to make something fun, why don't you program your own games? Oh that's right, because it's a lot of work, and it's much easier to use an editor in a game that already exists.

Anyway, I'm done discussing this. It's only frustrating me and I don't think I can post anymore without getting personal.

Lies. Every nooby, immature little bnetter that gets their hands on OSMAP, the ones that worry us most these are, do that to our maps. Its not fair, its not right, and we deserve the option to keep their grimy little hands off of our work.

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Look around. Cat and Mouse, RE: Raccoon City, Rise Of Rome, the list goes on Chef. Admittedly C&M isnt the best example, but it wasnt protected. My point is that these maps have been hacked open and freaked with in a way that their creators would not have approved of. Like I said, its not fair to the makers of the map.

Edit: Note chef deleted his last post.

Well I havn't seen it. Maybe it's just on East Server.

Why does it matter? If a great map gets better it doesn't matter whether or not the person who edited it makes their own maps or not, you'll have the same amount of fun either way. And besides, why reinvent the same thing when you don't have to? Then you could finish what you want faster, and move onto other other projects. It takes far less time. Less time spent remaking old things = more time making new things. Editing maps encourages innovation making maps more fun.


Says who? Where is the official rule book of dictatorship mapping?


Is that how you treat people who enjoy your map? "immature"? "grimy hands"? You don't make maps for other peoples fun at all do you.

There are other forms of unprotecting maps other than OSMAP.

Actaully its for blizzard to deside, they technically own every starcraft map, go read the user liscence agreement.

Giggins keap it mature!

I still don't understand the big idea behind this other than lazyness...

Good to see you've run out of arguments and are now resorting to immature spamming. I'm glad I proved my point.

You've proven nothing. I don't even know what is your point. lol

You know I do, you're just ignoring and denying it now because you know I'm right. People like you can't stand being wrong.

You don't even know your own point. In your little (and hiliarious) representation of the current situation. You're saying that OSMAP is like touching little boys, and you're saying our argument is that as long as YOU are having fun (AKA, everyone) it's fine. What you showed is that you don't want to have fun, ever. Also you said that we're lazy, so a more accurate way of your representation was if you were touching little boys and kept them in a dungeon that's locked. Then we picked the lock and touched your little boys. And you're saying we should go find our own boys to touch.

Your not right. Go on touch little boys, you're having fun doing it after all. F**k moral, f**k the authors, f**k everything except yourself, thats the point?

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You can as well not touch them if they aren't locked in a dungeon.

Umm, excuse me.
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I believe the title of this topic is "Say NO to the OSMAP discussion war"...

I'm pretty sure the above is what the original poster was talking about, especially DEAD's "touching little boys" post.

And it looks like its time to close yet another thread of fickle name-calling and childish banter.

There isn't any real point to debate OSMAP, its out there, its widely known, its hosted on a few sites. If anyone really wanted to download it all they have to do is a quick and simple search and its theirs. So all your arguments against it are really in vain since theres nothing you can do to stop the people who want to use it for whatever purpose that may be.