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It's funny how almost the entirety of the people who greatly support OSMAP or are greatly against it, and of those people who say that it should be banned/used by everyone don't see the major flaw in their argument.

Those against OSMAP say that they have the right to decide who has access to your map.

Those in favor say that they have the right to modify and open maps.

The thing is, that everyone has the right to take their own path. Just give up on the discussion and deal with it. You, nor I or any other person can dictate whether OSMAP will or will not be used, despite all the efforts you can make. There is always someone out there, who doesn't even know that you exist, or that even this discussion exists that will use OSMAP and open up yours or protect his own maps. There are many numerous people like this.

So what if SEN doesn't support OSMAP and Maplantis does? Why should you do what some guy behind a computer who manages a site says?

I could've taken sides with OSMAP and possibly had a position at Maplantis, or I could've been more involved here and I'd still be Staff.

Choose your own path, it doesn't matter what other people do or say. Just ignore the OSMAP war and do what really matters, self satisfaction.

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If you come here to defend or support OSMAP, then please do not do so in this thread. This thread is AGAINST THE DISCUSSION THAT OSMAP HAS BROUGHT.

The point behind this post is to just forget about this discussion that has separated a great number of people in the past. I've been against the whole Staff/Admins a few times and I still formed part of it, because we had a common goal, to improve SEN.

Here we also have a common goal, to improve mapmaking as a whole.

I think, therefore I map.

And some people's path is to needlessly argue about OSMap. You have no point. The debate was about ethics, not about whether or not it's possible.

If you have to resort to personal attacks, there's nothing left to debate about.

The OSMap discussion is long dead, but who am I to say flogging dead horse wasn't fun?

Who are you to censor what we can and cannot debate on? It doesn't matter whether or not anyone supports OSMAP, but I certainly feel they should support free discussion. Participation in such discussions is not forced and you're certainly free to say "no" to your own involvement (and only your own involvement).

Moose is right. As far as I know, you can post pretty much what you want in these forums. And what are forums for, if not debate?

Its not that OSMAP shouldn't be debated. Its just that, like many debates, it turns in to fickle name-calling and childish banter.

I don't see what the big discussion is. People know where to find OSMAP, they'll use it if they want. No one can stop them, and no one can force others to use it. You guys can keep the discussion but it's not going to solve anything. The two sides will always be in favor of the side they chose so it'll just be bickering for 8+ Pages.

That's usually when moderation is supposed to step in.

You mean like this...

I think he was saying more along the lines of...



Each line is a different quote, authors have been left unnamed for a reason.

I hope Legacy put an emergency Suicide switch on the OSMap so he can make the dream program I planned out. Then people would stop fighting over OSMap and make maps!

Seriously, there is too much aggression between supporters of OSMAP and people who don't. Just mind your own business and work on maps your own way. =\

Trust him at your own risk, funny stuff may result.

@Golden-Fist:

Sort of ironic don't you think "people will use OSMAP if they want, you can't force it upon them" but weirdly enough they have the right to force our maps from protection to unprotection

Assuming 'your way' means you want to lock your maps to prevent other people from looking at them and/or editing them.

No its not because I do things my way then release the map and don't give a crap what else happens to it.

DTBK, stop implying that everyone cares about what other people do to their maps.

OSmap kills puppies. LW eats children.

I think there's some underlying issues with both sides of the arguement that should be and hopefully can be addressed. Osmap isn't the source, just the focal point with these problems. Discussing osmap is the easiest way to bring these problems out. Things like... perserving the author's name. Is it really that god damn important to have your name on some map for a little game? Not really. Not in the grand scheme of things (or maybe it is?). But people like credit... and credit should always be issued where credit is due. I certainly would like to keep my name on a map I made. That's what the discussion topic is all about. Not entirely osmap, the issues behind it. Osmap is, in a way, irrelvant to the discussion about it, in my view. It exists, nothing more really can be said about it.

And that's where improving sen and mapmaking comes in.

Of course OSMAP is the source.. anything that violates the wish of the map creator for some excuse as pathetic as 'to learnzzz' is the source.

Centreri, what IP means is that OSMAP isn't the first map unprotector nor is it the source of the debate, its simply the most recent and widely known map unprotection device.