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Report, edit, etc...Posted by qPirateKing on 2004-11-13 at 00:05:14
QUOTE(SaLaCiouS(U) @ Nov 12 2004, 11:01 PM)
I think that if you have to HIRE other people to do parts of your map, you're not trying hard enough. You aren't even ATTEMPTING to learn how to map make, you are hiring other people to do it. This is what I hate most about SEN and certain.. clans. You aren't even trying to become good map makers and you aren't really learning anything. People on SEN don't even MAKE maps, you guys just TALK about making maps. You never finish any of these maps that are in the showcase, with a few rare exceptions, namely by Moose. Though he doesn't even finish his either. You guys don't make maps. You don't even try to learn. You ask stupid questions without even using the tutorials database. You ask things that could easily be resolved by using StarEdit help. In short you aren't commited to learning how to map make at all and you're wasting our time and your own.
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Whoa, slow down there. Only 2 sentences from that 'essay' of yours were pertinent to this topic. Get off your soap box and stop complaining about other people.
I went ahead and highlighted all of the unnecessary parts of your post. Talk about extraneous.

As for the map...
I'm surprised that you have a release planned for the 27th. You announced this less than a month ago, and it's almost finished? Excuse my skepticism, but I find that maps pumped out in such short periods of time often have a good deal of room for improvement. That doesn't mean that the map isn't fun or doesn't work, but rather that text formatting, balancing, and all the little things are often left out.

The trailer is being made by whom? I see nothing wrong with getting someone else to do it (even movie directors don't make trailers for their own movies). In fact, I think it's a good idea. It gives you more time to work on the map as opposed to wasting time making a trailer.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by aE[Templar] on 2004-11-13 at 01:53:14
Ok Sala needs to get off my back, Ever since I asked for the aEp board he has been an censored.gif to me Thx for that Sala.

As for the release date, I work very hard on my maps and put a lot of time into it, If someone spends one hour a day working on a map and finishes it in a week, Another person could work for 7 hours and finish it in one day, so just because its coming out about a month after it was first heard of doesn't mean I do not put time and effort into it. And Sala i would appricate it if you would back off. The 27th is the release date and it will not change and the map will be finished by then.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-11-13 at 02:35:34
I wonder which nice person would make a trailer for u... tongue.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by idoL on 2004-11-13 at 09:41:54
QUOTE(aE[Templar] @ Nov 13 2004, 01:53 AM)
Ok Sala needs to get off my back, Ever since I asked for the aEp board he has been an  censored.gif  to me Thx for that Sala.

As for the release date,  I work very hard on my maps and put a lot of time into it, If someone spends one hour a day working on a map and finishes it in a week, Another person could work for 7 hours and finish it in one day, so just because its coming out about a month after it was first heard of doesn't mean I do not put time and effort into it.    And Sala i would appricate it if you would back off.  The 27th is the release date and it will not change and the map will be finished by then.
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I sometimes take 3 months to complete my maps, it doesnt matter what anyone says, it's your map you work on your own pase. I wish you luck with yours, mine is coming Christsmas day and me and VoidArchon are planning somthing Uber. =)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by PearS on 2004-11-13 at 12:16:35
I'm a tester of this map and it seems really solid to me. The text is solid with little or no errors. Units are balanced. The systems seem to work nicley. Shinra is a workaholic =p. Idol I look forward to your map also.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2004-11-13 at 15:38:42
Sala; Whats wrong with talking about making maps, i don't see you doing it?

Templar; good luck with hitting your deadline, even if its got bugs, just allowed Public Beta for testing, and you can release updated version another time.

iDol; good luck with getting yours done.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-13 at 16:09:20
Thx everyone of course the first version will probably have a few bugs in it, (most map always do) but once i get enough bugs reported ill fix them all and release a new version, (I might even add a new secret or two). And im sure without a dout in my mind I will release the map on the deadline smile.gif So no worries there
Report, edit, etc...Posted by idoL on 2004-11-13 at 16:17:47
Thank you, Pears, I've not gotten a alpha copy of his map yet but I'll request one soon. As for my future map endeavours alls I can say is be prepared to laugh and cry.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2004-11-14 at 03:43:21
Wow, this sounds really awesome, can't wait for release!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by idoL on 2004-11-14 at 11:53:56
QUOTE(ShinRa_Soldier @ Nov 13 2004, 04:09 PM)
Thx everyone of course the first version will probably have a few bugs in it, (most map always do) but once i get enough bugs reported ill fix them all and release a new version, (I might even add a new secret or two).  And im sure without a dout in my mind I will release the map on the deadline smile.gif So no worries there
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Good luck man, represent the aEp crew!!
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-14 at 18:10:23
Ok as the release dates comes nearer im getting closer and closer to finishing smile.gif but for now here is the technical stuff

Triggers: 224
Switches: 28
Locations: 141
Average DL Time: 3 Minutes

-=Game Engine: 90% Complete=-
-=AI: 85% Complete=-
-=Terrian: 45% Complete=-
-=Storyline: 100% Complete=-
-=Total Percentage: 78% Complete=-

I recently relized that I have a lot more time to work on this than I thought I would and may change a few things around. I have completely prefected the AI healing system, the players can even change characters when they have low health and the AI will still heal smile.gif This game does have a few puzzel's in it you will need to solve but nothing two hard, when PearS tested it with me he figured it out quite quick. The new trailer done by ************ (Not sure if he wants u to know his name yet) will be released shortly before the map comes out.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Screwed on 2004-11-15 at 03:25:41
For the people puzzling over who's making the trailer for him, well... it's actually me blushing.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2004-11-15 at 09:07:31
Screwed, I wasn't aware... That's cool. How long will it take?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-15 at 14:24:35
Yeah and since screwed[SEN] now told everyone I just wanna say he is doing an awesome job on the trailer and it will be released before the game and hopefully the size will be reduced a lot, so you guyz will download it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by .Coko[CK] on 2004-11-15 at 15:25:24
I'm able to download anything under 5.GB so i doubt your cause me any difficulty
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-17 at 01:28:48
Ok a few things added to the map:

-Larva can infest your character and turn him into an alien.

-Each item dropped is sent directly to the Safehouse.

-A lot more teamwork and puzzels to solve.

-Some puzzles if you don't figure out how to do it quickly u may end up getting slaughterd by an oncoming attack of aliens.

-A lot of secrets that can only be reached with good judgement and obervations.

-The entire storyline for the first map is finished.

As for the release, many people have asked me if im only going to host the map once or whatever, but ill tell everyone how I will do it, Come map night I will host the very first version of AE. With 2 other people, (3 total because i like the computer in the mix too) at the time we start I will post the map for download on SEN so anyone else who wants to play it can. If you get stuck you may PM me and ask me how to do something up to a certain extent, If I start getting PM's like crazy and people won't stop, then I will stop giving out advice and answers to your questions, you may give me compliments, Complaints, Bug Reports, and Suggestions by PMing me on SC, SEN, Or e-mailing me at FF7ChAosviNCenT@aol.com.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2004-11-17 at 10:14:11
Spelling Error: Puzzel
It's Puzzle, so if you put that into your map you should fix that.
Anyways I like the idea of getting infested... when you do get infested, do you become a member of the enemy forces? Or just run around... infested n censored.gif ...?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-17 at 13:51:04
QUOTE(aE[Fortune] @ Nov 17 2004, 10:14 AM)
Spelling Error: Puzzel
It's Puzzle, so if you put that into your map you should fix that.
Anyways I like the idea of getting infested


Considering I spend a lot more time on the map then i do on a post it will be right besides I spelled it once right too smile.gif

QUOTE(aE[Fortune] @ Nov 17 2004, 10:14 AM)
Anyways I like the idea of getting infested... when you do get infested, do you become a member of the enemy forces? Or just run around... infested n  censored.gif ...?


When you get infested you die, and ur unit becomes an alien But you do not control it, If I gave you the power to control an alien it would be too easily abused. I don't want aliens and humans teaming up in this smile.gif. It is easy to avoid getting infested but it can happen if u are not paying attention. I also changed the way u switch characters, it is now done by a dropship, and dropping the unit u want to be. That way u can hotkey the dropship for faster switching.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2004-11-17 at 20:12:05
damn... I wanted to be 'infested n censored.gif ' sad.gif

You should have a feature where like in the movie Aliens you're character becomes pregnant or the host to an alien life form and have a countdown until it matures... that would be tight. Then when it does mature... maybe have it be like a hero for the Alien forces? Just an idea... I have a lot of them... blink.gif
Report, edit, etc...Posted by MidnightGladius on 2004-11-17 at 21:34:27
Hmm...so you're thinking of some sort of boss that's waiting to come out, killing it's inhabitant character in the process?

Awesome.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zero on 2004-11-17 at 22:04:04
QUOTE(ShinRa_Soldier @ Nov 15 2004, 02:24 PM)
and hopefully the size will be reduced a lot, so you guyz will download it.
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How much was it before?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-17 at 23:01:32
Right now its 2.50MB which is definantly a lot for a SC trailer, but don't worry we are going to compress it, its that big because the triggers were done in starforge which for some reason makes the file size huge
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Fortune on 2004-11-18 at 13:33:16
QUOTE(MidnightGladius @ Nov 17 2004, 09:34 PM)
Hmm...so you're thinking of some sort of boss that's waiting to come out, killing it's inhabitant character in the process?

Awesome.
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Yeah, it's just a thought for Templar... but in any case I think the character that would spawn should be yours... just a member of the enemy force. This should be a spell for just one of the heroes though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by ShinRa_Soldier on 2004-11-18 at 15:41:57
QUOTE(aE[Fortune] @ Nov 18 2004, 01:33 PM)
Yeah, it's just a thought for Templar... but in any case I think the character that would spawn should be yours... just a member of the enemy force. This should be a spell for just one of the heroes though.
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Ok I know it would be cool to be able to play as an alien, but the thing about that is that people will just use it as a extra life for their current player and probably join forces with the people they have been playing with the whole game. And yes i could auto ally everyone but then the alien person could just walk thru and kill all the aliens (which would be allies to him) with ease and clear the path for the other players. This im sure will happen if i let humans take control of aliens, because in my old dawn of the dead map u used to turn into a zombie when u died and the zombie's would always join the human team and help them out
Report, edit, etc...Posted by TheOddAngel on 2004-11-18 at 15:47:56
Its called switches...
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