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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Chronophobia on 2006-02-18 at 12:00:25
QUOTE(olaboy- @ Feb 18 2006, 10:38 AM)
He had psychological problems...
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Where did you get that from? Do you have any arguments that he had it?

Oh, and it was called Blitzkrieg, just to tell that person a few posts up.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-02-18 at 14:32:55
QUOTE(olaboy- @ Feb 18 2006, 11:38 AM)
He had psychological problems...
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even if it was the case and it was proven and stuff..

how does this affect the fact that hes a genius or not???

your comment was almost off topic..

without saying that u dont really tell us why you think a such thing

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QUOTE(Kp.ZpfW-PanzerIII @ Jan 29 2006, 04:02 AM)
Hitler wasnt a Genuis, All he did was invade little unsuspecting countrys. Then he invaded France.. Which was already shiz from WW I. Then when the real war started ( His invasion of Russia ) He was actually fighting a worth opponent. And lost smile.gif. Then he was invaded by another slightly worthy opponent america, Now he had to fight both theese slightly worthy opponents. And  he was addicted to antifedimines and such impering his aibility to make proper decission, aganist his two, slighty worthy opponents yawn.gif. Then during all this, A couple jews were killed.

ADDITION:
What I think happend during BoB, was the Germans were to coffident in there technology, and there belive that they could PwnZ0r any one smile.gif.

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But, The British had a stupid cause or something so they countinued the attacks aganist the Germans who were probaly not trying, kinda biggrin.gif
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lol you look like someone who thinks hitler = war and nothing else..

hitler isnt a genius because of the war..

hes a genius because how he got there and all his talents..

i wasnt talking about his ideas or what he did.. i was talking about the person itself..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-19 at 17:41:57
QUOTE(5(U))
hes a genius because how he got there and all his talents..


He is a genius because he used the falling of Germany's government to his use. He knew the government was failing, so he waited until it was in Anarchy, and used it to his advantage. To gain the government.

That takes a genius to realize and execute.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by nimadude on 2006-02-19 at 17:44:56
Unfortunately, hitler used his intelligence for bad purposes. If he had instead allied with fellow countries WW2 would have never happened..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SkuLL on 2006-02-19 at 18:37:23
He was a stupid genius. He actually believed that the Jews were not equal to germans... wow! I feel sad for him. No matter what grades he got and what great things he did he was obviously not so smart. He went into the process of capturing Jews and putting them into concentration camps and killing them. That was not a smart move. Someone who can't tell right from wrong will never be concidered a genius.

And Germans probably only agreed with him because they were scared of him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Staredit.Net Essence on 2006-02-19 at 18:57:03
He was super charismatic. That's one reason why the other germans believed him, and followed him.

And in his mind, he was doing the right.

Wrong and Right are human perceptions. There IS NO wrong or right.

Another reason they followed him, is because they had no one else to look up to. And he promised them so much, too.

Manipulation is a great tool
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Loser_Musician on 2006-02-19 at 21:03:00
He sounds more like a great politican/leader rather than an actual genius.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by SkuLL on 2006-02-19 at 21:52:37
From what I've learned, Germans were scared of him and that's the reason most of them agreed with him.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Urmom(U) on 2006-02-19 at 21:56:46
Hitler was a genious but a very stupid one. He was stupid because he got the U.S. involved with his affairs in Europe and also got many other countries involved. He could have actually gotten his dream if he didn't pick a fight with the U.S. They were talking about this in the movie "The Sum of All Fears".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-10 at 09:24:45
By my opinion, hitler was a:
1) Genious (in controlling masses of people)
2) total idiot in warfare (if he hadn't interfeared, germany could have won ww2)
3) a guy with weak nerds (when he was little, a adult jew made him angry, & taht got deep into his brain)
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-03-10 at 11:46:38
QUOTE(Middle_Finger @ Mar 10 2006, 09:24 AM)
By my opinion, hitler was a:
1) Genious (in controlling masses of people)
2) total idiot in warfare (if he hadn't interfeared, germany could have won ww2)
3) a guy with weak nerds (when he was little, a adult jew made him angry, & taht got deep into his brain)
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are you sure about 2) and 3)?

i never heard of this "3)" thing
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-10 at 12:58:46
Well, i think we can trust Discovery channel about "3".
Story was, that he wanted to become a painted at first, but a jewish director, or headmaster(how to say correctly?) said like "F**K off.." .
About warfare in russia in point '2' i'm sure. When 2 army groups were advancing in russia (1 group to moscow, group 2 to Stalingrad) he recalled the army group 1
to a new target - to help Group 2 with stalingrad. but mooving so big range in russian winter was too much for german armie. but when they came there, hitler interfeared again & said "moscow is target #1 again, go back group 1"
That's how genious Hitler was in strategy
Report, edit, etc...Posted by 5(U) on 2006-03-10 at 13:24:28
QUOTE(Middle_Finger @ Mar 10 2006, 12:58 PM)
Well, i think we can trust Discovery channel about "3".
Story was, that he wanted to become a painted at first, but a jewish director, or headmaster(how to say correctly?) said like "F**K off.." .
About warfare in russia in point '2' i'm sure. When 2 army groups were advancing in russia (1 group to moscow, group 2 to Stalingrad) he recalled the army group 1
to a new target - to help Group 2 with stalingrad. but  mooving so big range in russian winter was too much for german armie. but when they came there, hitler interfeared again & said "moscow is target #1 again, go back group 1"
That's how genious Hitler was in strategy
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oh yeah i knew about the dude who said "**** off" when hitler wanted to become a painter..but i didnt know that dude was a jew..

and about the "hate" against the jews.. i dont think its personal.. germany had problems with jews at that time..

yeah ic.. but to judge hitler's strategy we gotta know everything related to his war.. so its pretty hard to judge that kind of thing..
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-10 at 15:32:09
Yeah i agree taht it's not our right to juge his actions, but you gotto admit, that there were FAR MORE TALANTED war leaders lieke Rommel in the Third Rache(is that how u write taht word ?).

And about hate for jewes in germany.
Germany was humiliated after WW1, the german people were very angry & had to turn their anger on someone. Hitler just "put a mach in a box with dynamite".
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-03-10 at 15:35:41
QUOTE(Middle_Finger @ Mar 10 2006, 03:31 PM)
Yeah i agree taht it's not our right to juge his actions, but you gotto admit, that there were FAR MORE TALANTED war leaders lieke Rommel in the Third Rache(is that how u write taht word ?).
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Congratulations, you just reiterated 1/3 of the posts in the thread, albeit with far less care taken to actually write anything coherent.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-10 at 15:37:08
i think hitler was just a big nutcase...only thing he might've done good is raised people's spirits up during the depression, yet he just made up lies about the "rats" or non-german to go against them for their suffering...
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-10 at 15:42:53
QUOTE(Middle_Finger @ Mar 10 2006, 07:24 AM)
By my opinion, hitler was a:
1) Genious (in controlling masses of people)
2) total idiot in warfare (if he hadn't interfeared, germany could have won ww2)
3) a guy with weak nerds (when he was little, a adult jew made him angry, & taht got deep into his brain)
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Totall Incorrect on 2 and 3.


Germany had no chance, Look at the odds.

When hitler was a kid his father died of some lung disease, Only about 6 years later his mother had breast cancer and was treated by a jewish doctor, He gave her a dangerous drug witch in result killed her. Thats not the only reason, When ww1 started, some one was assinated, i think it was like the aussy govener or something around that area, Hitler's hatred to jews grew even more, Hitler belived that the jews where a problem, that they where trying to control germany and more states, Allot of europeans did to. It goes on, Don't be stupid, Don't make crap up. I'm sorry if i made some mistakes but my post is true, I've read about 100 biographys on hitler, Plus the history channel.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-03-10 at 17:57:47
The history channel is very watered-down with an America-centric perspective. I wouldn't trust its opinions. The biographies are probably a better way of looking at Hitler.

I haven't studied Hitler for a year now but I think he was not a genius. Have you ever read Mein Kampf? It's badly written and the work of an uneducated, incoherent man. The only possible thing that Hitler did that could be attributed to a genius (but was probably more like luck) was the way he kept his subordinates scurrying around doing his work for him without lifting so much as a finger.

As for Germany's chances in the war (esp. Russia) - they could have been made a lot better if Hitler had allowed the armies to pull back to safe zones during the winter of 1941. There are a lot of 'what ifs' in history though.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-11 at 13:44:51
Zombie, Hitler was driven by his HUGE PRIDE, & nothing more. Trust me about his strategic talants, they are zero. I'm a guy interested in warfare in general. Compare Hitler & Rommel (cuz i think Rommel was the best commander in all ww2). I red a lot about ww2 in old Soviet magazine (it was not controlled by politics, if USSR sucked about something compared to USA, they wrote in this magazine "we really suck").

hitler should have been a politic & leave the commanding to people like rommel.

But about this jew doctor... i never heard of taht. i heard taht a headmaster didnt let him pass to study as a painter.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-11 at 23:01:30
QUOTE(Middle_Finger @ Mar 11 2006, 11:44 AM)
Zombie, Hitler was driven by his HUGE PRIDE, & nothing more. Trust me about his strategic talants, they are zero. I'm a guy interested in warfare in general. Compare Hitler & Rommel (cuz i think Rommel was the best commander in all ww2). I red a lot about ww2 in old Soviet magazine (it was not controlled by politics, if USSR sucked about something compared to USA, they wrote in this magazine "we really suck").

hitler should have been a politic & leave the commanding to people like rommel.

But about this jew doctor... i never heard of taht. i heard taht a headmaster didnt let him pass to study as a painter.
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Why don't you get you're facts straights, I just wrote a 3 page essay on hitler dude, I know.


He was not driven by his huge pride, That i know, The thing he was droven by i belive it would be a thing called hate. The reason why hitler didnt pass to be a painter is because he quit some school [I can't remember what it is called] But he quit it because of medical reasons, IT was right around when his father was about to die.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-12 at 04:05:16
I cant disagree that he was driven by hate also.
But how can u explain that he recalled the army that was heading to moscow ?
I think only 1 thing can explain that - he Really wanted to take over a city, wich wares Stalin's name, it would feed(Quench?) his hunger for glory. A real commander must think not about glory, but about his men.

What else can u say about his warfare abilities zombie ?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Snipe on 2006-03-12 at 21:55:57
QUOTE(5(U) @ Jan 18 2006, 12:04 AM)
First thing: im everything but a racist, im an open minded person.. any comments about the fact that im racist because i say "hitler is a genius" should be considering like flood.. because thats false.. i dont dislike jews of any kind.. in fact i like their music (john zorn's masada is like the best jew avantgarde music u can get (again, thats my opinion))

So here's why Adolf Hitler is a genius.. i want to know what do u think of that..

A guy able to lead an entire country needs a lot of charism... Hitler had that

his war strategies were really good too.. he started with nothing and became one of the most ingenious country leader who commanded the whole europa (for a while)

+ a genius doesnt have to be "good"..then why does people disagree with that: hitler is a genius
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I got into a fight to a member of clan oo over this. See he kinda was because he made his army during the depression which raised moral, economy and such. He also invented new army/fighting tactics. It doesn't cover up the fact all he did was wrong. No body was able to touch him because they didn't want another world war to occur. The dude i was talking to Really thought of him as a good guy to germany when in doubt was a really evil and a weirdo.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-13 at 22:06:00
Hitler was a genius, twisted in morality, but still genius. Hitler gained power because he spoke out the feelings of defeated Germany. He was an excellent orator, giving him his charisma. He made promises to the Germans, and he actually carried out his promises such as :getting his people homes, getting them food, etc. However, in doing so, he broke every provision of the Treaty of Versailles. He was very intelligent in warfare, it wasn't simply sudden knowledge, nevertheless, he was a genius in warfare.

His opinions on superiority were caused by his environment. He studied under a professor who told him that a country must conquer all the other other countries in order to survive. Also, this may sound demented, but he had reason to hate the Jewish. Of course, it's a very poor reason. The Jewish controlled the banks and were targeted for any economic problems. It wasn't just Hitler who hated the Jewish, they were hated by the majority of Germany. His twisted morality wasn't sudden, he gradually acquired it through his surroundings.

People say Hitler was so horrible for killing about two-thirds of the Jewish population in Europe, but most of the time fail to see how much more horrible Stalin was to his own people. If you were to compare Hitler to himself to some other leaders, you would probably think Hitler was a "good guy".

Yes, Hitler was a genius, but pure evil? No. He simply carried out the wishes of the majority of Germany.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by rusell1993 on 2006-03-18 at 15:00:09
QUOTE(Sie_Sayoka @ Jan 18 2006, 02:48 AM)
he didnt win because he was outnumbered. he was pretty much screwed when he hit russia.
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then y hit russia? if he was a genius, y not ally wiv russia?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-18 at 16:07:24
Russia was a great source for resources and it had no trained army. He only had trouble with Russia because Stalin ordered his people to burn down cities that German forces where going to.
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