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No, Rex. In his mind, he doesen't believe religion is fake. He knows it's fake. You can change beliefs, but not knowledges.

Sure, we lie to ourselves all the time.

People use ego defense when they are prooven wrong I think. So how can you lie to yourself about religion, if nobody prooved that God doesen't exist ?

How can you lie to yourself about religion? Pretty easy. There is no direct proof of God, thus, it's damned easy to know he doesn't exist, though I believe in him. People have read up plenty on how God doesen't exist. Then, though in the back of their minds they believe God doesen't exist, they force themselves to believe in God because they believe in may lead to a better life, like me. It's quite impossible to truly believe in God nowadays, with these God debates.

MA Edit: Removed double post

I believe that if everyone had the same vision of God, all at the same time, similar down to the tiniest detail, then someone would point out that it can't be coincidence, and that it has to count for something. I personally don't believe that God exists, but if something like that happened, then I would have to believe that God really does exist, and as an entity, and not just as something to blame for problems.

Basically, religion states that...

Probabiliy doesn't exist. Probability = God.

And things they can't explain, they blame on ThE DeVil!!>!?!? OmG! YeA! -.-



I have one statement I really want to emphisize.
>Religion was created to civilize man.

Think about that one for a VERY VERY long time... Religionisticalians.

I am a believer myself, so I think Woodenfire is wrong. <- MY BELIEF HE IS!!!

We christians (don't mean to generalize as a group, and I am not speaking for ALL christians) do believe whatever happens to us is bad was caused by the devil. That is called sin children... BUT we also believe God let him do it for a reason.
I'll give an example:

Let's say you have a mother. Yes, you all have mothers. Let's say she gets killed in a freak accident no one can explain. (Don't care what happened, you all have an imagination)
You and many others (family members, friends, coworkers, etc. are depressed.
But with christians we are also joyful. She has gone to a better place. We know that God had used her to his full extent and she was not needed to do his bidding anymore on a mortal realm. So we pray and bond closer to others and God because of her death. <- THE REASON WHY SHE DIED. Us Christians have hope.
And even if you are aethiest you may be confused, mad, sad, not knowing what to do, so even if you aren't a believer you still think to yourself if there really is an afterlife which is a start. You might even pray, thinking to yourself you could just be talking to yourself in your head.

=D

Wow, I don't agree with either WoodenFire (though I can see where he is going) nor empty. I think the only people that brought good points that I agree with are Loser_Musician, Mr.Kirbycode774, and MilleniumArmy.

Why don't I agree with WoodenFire? Well, for one, why would God be probability? God is simply a symbol of anything benevolent in life, while Satan is the exact opposite. However, everything bad isn't necessarily blamed on the devil, in fact, a lot of the unfortunate events are said to be tests by God. Also, many religious people don't call anything unknown the work of the devil, they just look at it as knowledge that we have not obtained yet. Religion was used to civilize man, but it also served many other purposes, such as give hope to people, give purpose, give support, help explain things in a simple way, etc. Religion isn't completely flat as most aethiests describe it to be.

Why don't I agree with empty? For one, aethiests don't usually pray, usually they go on with their lives depressed for a couple months. Also, not all Christians bond closer together, in fact, they tend to distance themselves away from others, just like everybody else during a family tragedy. It truly depends on the person, not what they follow.

Rather than disagreeing, I guess I should say, I don't like how your ideas are presented. Maybe I may have a better understanding if you present your thoughts differently.

I strongly believe in God, and it really bothers me, when other people push the idea away. Why can you not just entertain the idea? Honestly, how can you explain the big bang? "some cosmic particles were in a void and smashed together...." --but where did those original particles come from? Who created the begining? As much as non-believers may say they have no reason to believe in God, I have just as much reason not to believe in the "Big Bang theory". Which brings me to another point. Don't teach me (or anyone else) the Big Bang theory in my school if you're not going to honestly devote an equal amount of time to creationism. It sickens me to hear pure lies regarding the origins of our wonderous universe, particularly in my own school, because I know that it's going on in public schools all over the country! This is why I am going to a private, Christian university in South Carolina this fall. I do not need to be in a secular enviornment hearing this ~blasphemy~ for another 4 years of my young adult life. Then people look down at me when I respond to their question, "so where are you going to school next year?" by saying, "I'm attending Bob Jones University, it's a smaller, christian university in South Carolina; and I'm really looking forward to it." They go, "....oh, I see.. are you gonna' join a frat. or party?" Then this is where they bother me, I respond with a polite, "no" and they look at me like I'm out of my mind. "No I don't really feel compelled to drink, do drugs or be promiscious, I'm attending college to get a more in depth education, and grow in my spiritual walk with Christ." Liberals throughout this country scream, "Tolerance! Respect! We have to be tolerant of the homosexuals and Muslims and everybody! We need to respect everyones beliefs and not put people down for it!" These are the people who look down their noses at me for saying that I plan on living a mature, responsible and christian life; not just through college, but through the rest of my life. I am looked at as less then them because of my christian belief, and it's not like I force my beliefs on them either. They asked me if I plan on partying at college, and I tell them, no--and why that is. There is something wrong with this picture, and I know that this is how it is going to be, but it is still wrong, and this world is simply going to keep deteriorating and spiraling into more sin and hatred until that day comes.

Or rather than separating the aethiest and religious ideas, why not combine them? They can fit perfectly well, it just depends on how you interpret things.

I dont know if i can believe in something that was created my humans.

The whole bible story was created by people. Those people could have made up all these storys and stuff by dreams or anything they saw while they were sleeping.
churches used the bible to get money and get there religion stronger.

i do believe we were once monkeys. its more believable then a story of a man and a girl who have sex and there kids had sex and so on and so on. when people do that now kids could out with arms on there heads and are retarded.

i believe in a greater force it maybe a god or it maybe some kind of thing watching over us.

and i hate how people say you are going to hell if you dont believe in god. a killer who kills people cause hes insane and he believes in god. does he go to heaven?

No you cant combine atheism and Christianity..

Why? Cuz ive realy noticed most atheists dont tolerate anything which says god does exist. They go mad like weve seen in this post.. And its pretty much same with every Christian.

The bible was created by people.. But if you just read the bible word by word then you dont know what it was made for.


And almost everything in this wolrd needs money

You can't combine them as a whole, but you can combine a lot of the ideas.

Well if you say you could state some examples of ideas please

( P.S Not being an mean person lol )

I already did earlier on. It's simply that religion has an alternate name and explains things much more simply. While a scientific approach would get into detail about how something works.

Well I doubt science explains everything 100%, and I am not saying that religion does.

I have a question if state and church arnt together how come church can tell scientist there not aloud to clone people?


Do religion people believe that there is life on other planets or did jesus just die for our sins

Q1. Because cloning is privately funded and privately preformed (however it ~in some cases~ is government backed ~but not in the US~)

Q2. I firmly hold to the point that there are no other life forms elsewhere in this universe, we are God's children; there is no mention of mankind or creatures, dwelling anywhere else but this planet--anywhere in the Bible, and God doesn't just leave information out. If God tells the Israelites things like-- how to remove mold from their house and clothes (Leviticus 14:45 (and preceding verses) & Leviticus 13:47-50 ~respectivly) He would most certainly mention other beings in this universe.

Religion is more philosophy/lessons than is it used to explain things.

you really think there is nothing else out there and we are the only kind of life in the whole universe. Thats alot of empty space out there.

I think thats the main reason why the government cant tell us if there is any kind of life other then us because of church groups would go insane.

how do you explain dinosaurs They were here long before people were what what was the point of them.

do you believe animals have souls. If they do, do they go to hell because they don't warship god or do they go to heaven because there minds cant expand like ours.

I do belive there are other lifeforms out there seeing as Space is problably 10000 times bigger than our galaxy.....

And church groups wouldnt go 'insane'

No animals arent what we are.. And even if they do have souls maybe they do belive in god.. Not like we speak 'animal'

I think they would because if something showed up on this earth that isnt god and is something from some other place, religious people wont know what to think.



i dont think animals are running around praying.

Maybe the person who leads a church group would go 'insane' but that doesnt mean that people are mindless idiots who think like some religious leader does.