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Report, edit, etc...Posted by Middle_Finger on 2006-03-19 at 05:07:37

QUOTE(HolySin @ Mar 14 2006, 06:05 AM)

Hitler was a genius, twisted in morality, but still genius. Hitler gained power because he spoke out the feelings of defeated Germany. He was an excellent orator, giving him his charisma. He made promises to the Germans, and he actually carried out his promises such as :getting his people homes, getting them food, etc. However, in doing so, he broke every provision of the Treaty of Versailles. He was very intelligent in warfare, it wasn't simply sudden knowledge, nevertheless, he was a genius in warfare.

His opinions on superiority were caused by his environment. He studied under a professor who told him that a country must conquer all the other other countries in order to survive. Also, this may sound demented, but he had reason to hate the Jewish. Of course, it's a very poor reason. The Jewish controlled the banks and were targeted for any economic problems. It wasn't just Hitler who hated the Jewish, they were hated by the majority of Germany. His twisted morality wasn't sudden, he gradually acquired it through his surroundings.

People say Hitler was so horrible for killing about two-thirds of the Jewish population in Europe, but most of the time fail to see how much more horrible Stalin was to his own people. If you were to compare Hitler to himself to some other leaders, you would probably think Hitler was a "good guy".

Yes, Hitler was a genius, but pure evil? No. He simply carried out the wishes of the majority of Germany.
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I dont think he was a genious in warfare. ha mede some VERY BIG mistakes:

-ordered Luftwaffe to taget English cityes when English air forces were allmost defeted. this gave the English Air force time to regroup & defeat Luftwaffe in the future.

-in Russia, he recalled an army group that was allmost in moscow, he told it to go to Leningrad. When it got there (in Rusiian winter) Hitler told it to go back, wasting
this army's capabilities. It could get to moscow if Hitler hadn't interfeared.

-He could invade russia a bit later, when all the european countries would be taken over, so he doesent have to fight on 2 front's. but he was in a hurry becawse of something. he could wait, becawse he had a "non gression pact" with russia.

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QUOTE(HolySin @ Mar 19 2006, 12:07 AM)

Russia was a great source for resources and it had no trained army. He only had trouble with Russia because Stalin ordered his people to burn down cities that German forces where going to.
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actually russian army defeated germans becawse of HUGE PATRIOTIC FEELINGS, STALIN CALLED UP TO.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Wilhelm on 2006-03-19 at 09:52:02

Stalin was an (evil) genius. Hitler was a freak with a stupid mustache. He started a war on two fronts for no reason.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-19 at 14:22:34

The U.S.S.R.'s army was weak. Stalin's attack on Germany was much later from Hitler's attack on U.S.S.R. Hitler failed to take over the U.S.S.R. because Stalin burned down all the cities making it so that the German army had to suffer from the winters of the U.S.S.R. with little supplies. So they couldn't possibly take over Moscow due to his army's condition. Also, he couldn't really destroy England easily because the English had a radar and were able to prepare for their attacks. So he decided to attack civilians, constantly for about 50 days and nights. This would make them tired and break their morale. Hitler took over Poland because they had a very poor army, simply calvary, so it was easy to take. Overall, Hitler was very intelligent in warfare.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-20 at 08:26:05

QUOTE(HolySin @ Mar 19 2006, 10:22 PM)

About what you say, that hitler bobmed civilans in england to brake morale, that's not totally true. yes, it had some effect on their morale, but he did it becawse of this story:
1 german bobmer accidentally (navigation mistake) dropped some bombs on london. Churchill replied with the same, only a bit more bombs. Hitler gone mad cuz of it. i even saw a speech where he says (translated rudely, but main idea remains) "I'll turn their cities into powder !!!!!" It was not tactic, it was pride. Hering couldnt even say "no" cuz hitler was determined.

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QUOTE(HolySin @ Mar 14 2006, 06:05 AM)

People say Hitler was so horrible for killing about two-thirds of the Jewish population in Europe, but most of the time fail to see how much more horrible Stalin was to his own people. If you were to compare Hitler to himself to some other leaders, you would probably think Hitler was a "good guy".
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Yes, stalin killed a lot of people, nobody can disagree with you. BUT he didnt kill people just becawse they were some-kind of nationality, he didnt kill to destroy their culture. he killed to keep the people in fear, i dont say that this is good, but "wiping off" whole rases is worser. Their goals were not the same.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-20 at 16:16:46

Haha, Lets think for a second. Ok so it’s true that Hitler slaughtered the Jews, but guess what, they still are around aren’t they? Look what Americans did to the Indians, I think people are forgetting that the Indians are rare to find now, mainly because you slaughtered almost all of them. Also Hitler was smart in a lot of ways, he was a very good speaker, The main reason why the Russians won was because of there numbers, I mean it was 3 Russians to every 1 German soldier, Why don’t you guys look a history book once in a wile.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-03-20 at 17:18:47

Whilst I agree that the USA did adopt local policies of extermination of Native Americans up until 1890 (Wounded Knee), there was no real organised attempt to kill them off at a national level like the Nazis did with the Jews.

Also - watch the flaming, Zombie. Telling someone to open a history textbook is insulting.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-20 at 17:29:45

QUOTE(CaptainWill @ Mar 20 2006, 03:18 PM)

I don’t see how telling someone to open a history book is flaming, if some one takes it offensive, it would just prove I’m right.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-20 at 18:52:16

hitler's greediness for murdering the people he hated and power led to his downfall...they should know by now russia is too big of a country to take over. many pepole have tried but failed, but he went on towards russia.

i think he was just a spot of inspiration and hope at that time that made him a genius and popular with the german people, but he went it off at the wrong way

even though people said he was a genius, it doesn't mean we like him and not liking him for a reason doesn't make us a racist...its just what we think of him as a person. his crimes against humanity is what made most people hate him and think he was evil in that way.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-20 at 20:00:37

QUOTE(SlyShadow @ Mar 20 2006, 04:51 PM)

I agree, just like trying to control the us. Hitler could of never of token it over, Do to its size.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kyuubi. on 2006-03-20 at 20:15:18

you know that some people or in this case the countries,people are blinded in a certain way...they see people doing actions they think its wrong while they do it themselves isn't a crime...
hitler thought his army was invincible and trying to stay true to his words and his own motives of leading his fellow german people to victory, but killing people just sparks up more violence and the taste for revenge, and caused more people to go against him...
like napolean, hitler's greed for power and invasion of a big country was what made him fail...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by HolySin on 2006-03-20 at 21:39:21

That's the case with most dictatorships, the dictator yearns for more power until he overextends himself and falls.

Stalin's reason for keeping people in fear was so that he had no opposition. Basically, he took away his people's freedoms. Hitler however wanted to exterminate the Jews because he thought they were the source of many problems in Europe, and this idea was thought by many other Europeans. In a way, you could say Stalin was driven mainly by power while Hitler was mostly driven by revenge. I'm not saying Hitler wasn't driven by power, but it wasn't his major motive. He was carrying out many German wishes, hence why he got power. When you look at it in that perspective, was Hitler really worse than Stalin?

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Felagund on 2006-03-20 at 22:24:51

Blah blah blah, skipping past every post. Hitler had charisma, but the man was a dolt. He may have been able to speak eloquently, but he had no grasp on reality. He could have been an art student, but he turned into a dictator instead. If the German army had had better leadership they would have won. Hitler made so many mistakes during World War II it isn't funny. He was lucky to have lasted as long as he did (he can thank the Wehrmacht in Hell). Blitzkrieg = good. Russia = bad. I wouldn't even say that the Russian winter destroyed the Wehrmacht's chances. Stuff like Kursk and Stalingrad did, where a vast number of armor and the majority of the entire Sixth Army were lost, respectively. What if Japan had gone for Russian oil fields instead of retaliating against America?

Bad decisions of World War II:

Barbarossa
Pearl Harbor

If Japan had gone for Russia or Germany hadn't invaded Russia it is likely that the Allies would have lost. If Germany had invaded Great Britain instead, the Allies would have lost. If Hitler had advanced on Dunkirk, the Allies might still have lost. The list goes on and on...

Report, edit, etc...Posted by kirby_star on 2006-03-20 at 22:36:32

QUOTE(Soulshifter @ Jan 27 2006, 03:08 PM)

Actually, it was not thier forces he underestimated but rather their tactics. For the most part, Russian forces steadily retreated towards Moscow, buring the crops on their way.
In this way, the Germans were kept low on food. As Winter crept in, supply lines were weakened by the heavy snow, and thus the Germans began to starve, as well as die of things such as frostbite without proper medical supplies.
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I agree, it is more like the Winter in Siberia got Hitler rather than the Russian forces. But the Russians were still quite powerful.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by JaFF on 2006-03-21 at 05:31:29

QUOTE(Zombie @ Mar 21 2006, 12:16 AM)

Why don’t you guys look a history book once in a wile.
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Zombie, every countrie's history books write different stuff. the truth is allways somewhere in the middle.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zombie on 2006-03-21 at 16:00:40

QUOTE(Jammed @ Mar 21 2006, 03:31 AM)

Zombie, every countrie's history books write different stuff. the truth is allways somewhere in the middle.
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That’s why you actually studied on the facts, I’ve probably read about 100 books on WW2 and they all give me new information and also tell different things, like how they happened, there not completely different, only some facts are.

Report, edit, etc...Posted by CaptainWill on 2006-03-21 at 19:03:45

This topic has been going round in circles for a while now. I don't think anything will come of it but flaming.

It's time it was killed.

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