Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-17 at 23:28:53
When you had the post that I "deleted" quoted in your allegations, yes, because that post was there.
You had this quoted as "Moose's deleted post" back there before you edited it.
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That requires him to speak for himself, or at the very least sign up on the wiki. I'd be glad to have him running it, he's very smart and knowledgable. Plus, that's less work for me. Everybody wins out.
You had this quoted as "Moose's deleted post" back there before you edited it.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-17 at 23:29:47
I thought I had it in cache but I didn't. I edited without reading it and then read it after it was posted.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-09-17 at 23:29:54
"Going to sleep" I think not. *Syphon(MM) breaks tention before people pull out gats and thermite.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-17 at 23:30:17
I'm really going to sleep now. Tomorrow we can draw swords again. 
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-17 at 23:32:53
Alright, I've had enough to. This has gone from "Giving LW a chance to run his idea that he pushed for" to "Making Yoshi look bad" (thanks, cheeze!). GG, you haven't seen the last of me.
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I'm really going to sleep now. Tomorrow we can draw swords again. tongue.gif
Yeah well, my school is a bit more important then flaming on this zoo.Report, edit, etc...Posted by CheeZe on 2006-09-17 at 23:34:24
Of course it's to make you look bad. You've been wrong the entire time. I've said it so many times. You've ignored it so many times (and admitted to being ignorant of what I say).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-17 at 23:34:58
QUOTE(CheeZe @ Sep 17 2006, 11:34 PM)
Of course it's to make you look bad. You've been wrong the entire time. I've said it so many times. You've ignored it so many times (and admitted to being ignorant of what I say).
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Report, edit, etc...Posted by MillenniumArmy on 2006-09-17 at 23:35:15
Yoshi, it's not that big of a deal. Yes I am totally against the fact that MiniMoose2707 undeservingly fired LegacyWeapon, but this time I dont see much fault in what he's done.
Ok LegacyWeapon probably was one of the first people to have suggested it, but around the time he started supporting it, there were others that also started supporting it. The time between the first official person to have supported this idea and the rest of the crowd who joined the bandwagon is negligible; it's too hard to say who started first, especially since this is on the internet. So if credit was to be given to anybody, it would have to be given to the a group of people, not an individual.
Had moose actually made a credits page mentioning people's names but leaving out LegacyWeapons, then yes I would see a problem. But I think he actually made a smart decision this time by not putting anyone's name. Otherwise there's definately going to be a huge uproar about whose idea this originally was and whose names deserve/dont deserve to go there.
Ok LegacyWeapon probably was one of the first people to have suggested it, but around the time he started supporting it, there were others that also started supporting it. The time between the first official person to have supported this idea and the rest of the crowd who joined the bandwagon is negligible; it's too hard to say who started first, especially since this is on the internet. So if credit was to be given to anybody, it would have to be given to the a group of people, not an individual.
Had moose actually made a credits page mentioning people's names but leaving out LegacyWeapons, then yes I would see a problem. But I think he actually made a smart decision this time by not putting anyone's name. Otherwise there's definately going to be a huge uproar about whose idea this originally was and whose names deserve/dont deserve to go there.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Heimdal on 2006-09-17 at 23:44:57
You all are way too involved in the issue of who gets credit for what. It's like claiming that you invented the internet. Suck it up and work for the greater good.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-09-17 at 23:59:51
Who gets credit for thinking up the idea of making a map making wiki is irrelevant.
Protection and unprotection are irrelevant.
Legacy's demotion is irrelevant.
What certain admins and former admins think about eachother is irrelevant.
We have two wikis that are about very similar things, and we need to decide what to do.
Since you're doing modding, melee, and whatnot on the SEN Wiki, it might be a good idea for you to concentrate your efforts on those things, while leaving most of the normal map making stuff to MMWiki, so that the two wikis won't be in direct competition with eachother.
Also, you should add a link to the wiki on the navigation bar, or in the tutorial database.
Or just replace replace the tutorial database link outright.
Protection and unprotection are irrelevant.
Legacy's demotion is irrelevant.
What certain admins and former admins think about eachother is irrelevant.
We have two wikis that are about very similar things, and we need to decide what to do.
Since you're doing modding, melee, and whatnot on the SEN Wiki, it might be a good idea for you to concentrate your efforts on those things, while leaving most of the normal map making stuff to MMWiki, so that the two wikis won't be in direct competition with eachother.
Also, you should add a link to the wiki on the navigation bar, or in the tutorial database.
Or just replace replace the tutorial database link outright.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Arbitrary on 2006-09-18 at 00:04:07
QUOTE(Kenoli @ Sep 17 2006, 11:59 PM)
Also, you should add a link to the wiki on the navigation bar, or in the tutorial database.
Or just replace replace the tutorial database link outright.
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1. It's already there.
2. wtf
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-18 at 00:11:48
QUOTE(Heimdal @ Sep 17 2006, 11:44 PM)
You all are way too involved in the issue of who gets credit for what. It's like claiming that you invented the internet. Suck it up and work for the greater good.
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Actually if you'll read back I stopped caring after my first 2 posts. After that I was just doing it for fun.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Zeratul_101 on 2006-09-18 at 00:18:31
QUOTE(MillenniumArmy @ Sep 17 2006, 10:08 PM)
So whose going to control what gets approved/disapproved? Surely we can't just let people submit whatever half-assed crap they want into the map making Wiki. Considering the ettiquette of many people here, we're definately going to need someone to moniter the MMW.
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the logical choice would be the tutorial people. although a few more may be needed.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Heimdal on 2006-09-18 at 00:30:51
I really think some effort should be made to consolidate the two wikis. What reason do we have to keep them separate?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-09-18 at 00:57:51
QUOTE(Heimdal @ Sep 17 2006, 11:30 PM)
I really think some effort should be made to consolidate the two wikis. What reason do we have to keep them separate?
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Pseudo-pride.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by DT_Battlekruser on 2006-09-18 at 01:06:44
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A part of open source being ethical and giving credits to those who deserve it, genius.
And yet you openly condone a program that will doubtless be used precisely to flout that most important part of open-source maps?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Syphon on 2006-09-18 at 01:32:11
So what's up with the general ugliness of template making in your wiki?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Kenoli on 2006-09-18 at 02:07:09
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1. It's already there.
It was added.QUOTE(Arbitrary)
2. wtf
What?Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-18 at 02:14:45
QUOTE(DT_Battlekruser @ Sep 18 2006, 01:06 AM)
And yet you openly condone a program that will doubtless be used precisely to flout that most important part of open-source maps?
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If you mean "And yet I openly support a program that will be encouraged to be used to steal credit from other peoples maps", then no. I don't support a program that will be used to steal credit, I support a program that will be encouraged to be used to edit maps, make them better, and create variations. I didn't see LW putting "plz steal maps lol" anywhere. Imagine where you don't have to start maps from scratch, but instead you can edit someone elses, leave their name, and have a brand new map completed in 1/10th of the time simply because you were basing it upon a map that was already made, and just changed the terrain, units, and added 10 triggers. People who aren't good at mapping can start by editing maps they like with little edits working their way up to creating the latest killer RPG. The negatives you see now are pretty much as big as their going to get. If people embrace it, it won't make more people steal, but more people realize the potential of such a program.
Incase you don't know what "open source" means, its the ideal of releasing work under the assumption that others will leave your credits for your work and allowing them to edit it as they please. Not everybody will follow that ethic, but doesn't mean a community of individuals who respect each other can't. We only see its negatives because we have a community of people who don't want anyone else to see their 3 triggers for making a unit explode really fast.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Tuxedo Templar on 2006-09-18 at 02:50:17
QUOTE(Heimdal @ Sep 17 2006, 11:30 PM)
I really think some effort should be made to consolidate the two wikis. What reason do we have to keep them separate?
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Agreed. Or rather, let's just skip this wiki crap and rework the v4 system as I suggested instead. Come on, you can't tell me that'd be painstaking coding or anything. I could cook up a system like that in a day.
Both wikis would supposedly be obsolete when the mythical v5 supposedly comes out anyway. And if the DB was on this site, it'd be easier to port things to the new version, anyway. I dunno, that just seems like the logical thing to do, instead of having a war with someone who isn't even here anymore.
(not to mention this whole credibility debate would be moot anyway)
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I'm sure he'd love to, but wait, YOU FIRED HIM FOR A STUPID REASON. So that obviously can't work, because he most likely wants to see this site die now.
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Without reigniting the old debate, let's get a few things out of the way:
- We established earlier that he knew the possible consequences for his actions. That's his character flaw if he wants to stay mad; not ours.
- He's not the sole person responsible for the (U) wiki. But seeing as how there's now another one cropping up, it stands to reason this has become less an LW issue and more a (U) one (or the challenging of its credibility thereof). LW leads (U), so (U) has lost some favor here, logically.
- As far as I can tell, his intent towards this site was not good to begin with. I'm not one to buy conspiratorial crap, but it seems prior to the OSMAP incident his intents were probably not as honorable as you might think. Recruiting devilesk is one indication of that (but I'd really like to get my facts straight better before venturing into this particular matter).
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Mini Moose 2707 on 2006-09-18 at 13:13:50
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Sep 17 2006, 08:58 PM)
Hurray! Lets all steal this idea make it appear like it was all of SENs idea and completely ignore the fact that it was actually LEGACYWEAPONS idea which moose kept refusing to do!
Originality was never claimed for anything. If what you say here is true... why is the news post about MMWiki still on the front page?
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-18 at 13:20:14
QUOTE(Yoshi da Sniper @ Sep 18 2006, 09:14 AM)
You require to obligate yourself more to assimilating the thesaurus better.
If you mean "And yet I openly support a program that will be encouraged to be used to steal credit from other peoples maps", then no. I don't support a program that will be used to steal credit, I support a program that will be encouraged to be used to edit maps, make them better, and create variations. I didn't see LW putting "plz steal maps lol" anywhere. Imagine where you don't have to start maps from scratch, but instead you can edit someone elses, leave their name, and have a brand new map completed in 1/10th of the time simply because you were basing it upon a map that was already made, and just changed the terrain, units, and added 10 triggers. People who aren't good at mapping can start by editing maps they like with little edits working their way up to creating the latest killer RPG. The negatives you see now are pretty much as big as their going to get. If people embrace it, it won't make more people steal, but more people realize the potential of such a program.
Incase you don't know what "open source" means, its the ideal of releasing work under the assumption that others will leave your credits for your work and allowing them to edit it as they please. Not everybody will follow that ethic, but doesn't mean a community of individuals who respect each other can't. We only see its negatives because we have a community of people who don't want anyone else to see their 3 triggers for making a unit explode really fast.
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If you mean "And yet I openly support a program that will be encouraged to be used to steal credit from other peoples maps", then no. I don't support a program that will be used to steal credit, I support a program that will be encouraged to be used to edit maps, make them better, and create variations. I didn't see LW putting "plz steal maps lol" anywhere. Imagine where you don't have to start maps from scratch, but instead you can edit someone elses, leave their name, and have a brand new map completed in 1/10th of the time simply because you were basing it upon a map that was already made, and just changed the terrain, units, and added 10 triggers. People who aren't good at mapping can start by editing maps they like with little edits working their way up to creating the latest killer RPG. The negatives you see now are pretty much as big as their going to get. If people embrace it, it won't make more people steal, but more people realize the potential of such a program.
Incase you don't know what "open source" means, its the ideal of releasing work under the assumption that others will leave your credits for your work and allowing them to edit it as they please. Not everybody will follow that ethic, but doesn't mean a community of individuals who respect each other can't. We only see its negatives because we have a community of people who don't want anyone else to see their 3 triggers for making a unit explode really fast.
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4 words:
Make your own maps.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by KABOOM on 2006-09-18 at 14:18:53
just too tell you i'd probably use the LW wiki because alot of elite mappers have set it up and added correct information and added alot in the few days, also i dont think they would help make the sen one any better when they got their own to make
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Yoshi da Sniper on 2006-09-18 at 14:19:54
QUOTE(DEAD @ Sep 18 2006, 01:19 PM)
4 words:
Make your own maps.
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Make your own maps.
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...plus 3 other maps I submitted under another alias in the last 6 months.
Report, edit, etc...Posted by Gigins on 2006-09-18 at 14:21:41
It was about your little paragraph.